Kenyon Martin names 50 power forwards better than Draymond Green

I didn't even realize they were beefing.

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It’s a good hustle.

Talking.

Podcasting.

Making up arbitrary lists.


Talking.

More talking.

For the the Op typing

Let’s just keep typing



Typing about whatever……….. power forwards your mom whatever.

[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt;15044479]It’s a good hustle.

Talking.

Podcasting.

Making up arbitrary lists.


Talking.

More talking.

For the the Op typing

Let’s just keep typing



Typing about whatever……….. power forwards your mom whatever.[/QUOTE]

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There are too many former player podcasts out there looking to get your attentions.

[QUOTE=BurningHammer;15044537][IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/87/Controversy_Creates_Cash.jpg[/IMG]

There are too many former player podcasts out there looking to get your attentions.[/QUOTE]

You lust after underage girls.

And OP has a weird obsessions with YouTube and lists :lol

I think lil dude is on the spectrum.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15044539]You lust after underage girls.

And OP has a weird obsessions with YouTube and lists :lol

I think lil dude is on the spectrum.[/QUOTE]

This is all you’re good for here. Sad.

Seems like everybody in the comments is agreeing what we've told you for years. Dray has no offensive bag whatsoever, is undersized, and prone to crash outs on defense too. The Warriors elite talent and system made him. Kenyon Martin was just as good on defense with similar offense, yet has nowhere near the accolades. This phenomenon is what has been referred to as the "winning spotlight" effect.

[QUOTE=tpols;15044600]Seems like everybody in the comments is agreeing what we've told you for years. Dray has no offensive bag whatsoever, is undersized, and prone to crash outs on defense too. The Warriors elite talent and system made him. Kenyon Martin was just as good on defense with similar offense, yet has nowhere near the accolades. This phenomenon is what has been referred to as the "winning spotlight" effect.[/QUOTE]
The Warriors are much worse with Martin in Dray's place. His playmaking and defensive versatility were pivotal to their success.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15044601]The Warriors are much worse with Martin in Dray's place. His playmaking and defensive versatility were pivotal to their success.[/QUOTE]

Dray has little to no skill. He achieved what he's been able to off of hard work and effort. Does he have slightly better passing skills than the average 4-5? Sure. But outside of that it's just him playing a role and putting in maximum effort.

Now, I'm not underselling his contribution, nor the idea that hard work and effort is what separates JR Smith from Dwyane Wade, so it's nothing to downplay... but, Draymond had mediocre skills. This is not about how well K-Mart could replace Draymond on GSW, it's about his talent level in a vacuum.

I think everyone with common sense would agree it would be impossible for Green to make an all-star and be of any recognition if he was drafted to the Kings. Martin and the majority of the names he mentioned were just plain better talents, and with the right fit and role could also be champions.

The key distinction here is most players sacrifice many skills to be able to win a championship. Draymond instead had his skills maximized based on his teammates, and did not have to sacrifice anything.

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15044601]The Warriors are much worse with Martin in Dray's place. His playmaking and defensive versatility were pivotal to their success.[/QUOTE]

Dray is great don’t get me wrong but put him on lots of other teams and it turns into a whole new conversation. Lots of players can’t afford to have the Rudy role where it’s expected you don’t even have to score 10 points a night.

Dray's game 7 in 2016 surpasses anything KMart has ever done in his career

[QUOTE=MrFonzworth;15044628]Dray's game 7 in 2016 surpasses anything KMart has ever done in his career[/QUOTE]

And they STILL lost the game with 4th, 5th option Dray putting up 34pts. Might be his career high.

I don't know how you could shit on Draymond's game while those same people praise Rodman. Rodman himself was even more of an offensive liability and didn't have anywhere near the consistency Draymond did, yet Rodman is universally loved.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15044644]I don't know how you could shit on Draymond's game while those same people praise Rodman. Rodman himself was even more of an offensive liability and didn't have anywhere near the consistency Draymond did, yet Rodman is universally loved.[/QUOTE]

Rodman led the league in rebounds 7 times to go along with his alltime great defense.

[QUOTE=GOBB;15044595]This is all you’re good for here. Sad.[/QUOTE]

Which is still more than you.

The biggest knock on Green is what he did when Steph and Klay went down. The Warriors were plain awful. And lets keep in mind that Greens triple single averages are in a much faster paced era.

I was indifferent to Kenyon Martin as a player… probably because we were spoiled in the 00’s with a lot of athletic forwards who gave us endless violent dunks.

But I’m gonna start speaking on his name more frequently, always with a positive connotation.

[QUOTE=97 bulls;15044648]Rodman led the league in rebounds 7 times to go along with his alltime great defense.[/QUOTE]

Draymond has been more consistent throughout both of their careers.

Rodman didn't provide the defense he showcased in Detroit with the Spurs & Bulls. By that point, he had put on more weight and wasn't nearly as versatile on that end. Not to mention he was leading the league in rebounds while coming off the bench in some playoff games for the Bulls, that's how much of an offensive liability he was.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15044656]Draymond has been more consistent throughout both of their careers.

Rodman didn't provide the defense he showcased in Detroit with the Spurs & Bulls. By that point, he had put on more weight and wasn't nearly as versatile on that end. Not to mention he was leading the league in rebounds while coming off the bench in some playoff games for the Bulls, that's how much of an offensive liability he was.[/QUOTE]

Green has ALWAYS been an offensive liability lol. Rodman most definitely showed defensive prowess with the Bulls and Spurs. There's actual youtube videos that tracked Rodmans defense on players like Karl Malone and Hakeem Olajuwan. Shaq too. Rodman transformed his defense into a low post defender.

Just because Rodman came off the bench during the last two Finals runs doesn't mean it was because he was an offensive liability. Kukoc was a better scorer. Rodman still was in there when it counted most. In crunch time.

I always get a kick out of how you guys love to relegate a players career to a playoff series. SMH

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15044656]Draymond has been more consistent throughout both of their careers.

Rodman didn't provide the defense he showcased in Detroit with the Spurs & Bulls. By that point, he had put on more weight and wasn't nearly as versatile on that end. Not to mention he was leading the league in rebounds while coming off the bench in some playoff games for the Bulls, that's how much of an offensive liability he was.[/QUOTE]


Thats an insane argument to make. Rodman absolutely showed his defensive medal on the Bulls. He locked down Karl Malone and Shaq for Christ sake. :lol And should've been 1996 FMVP.

[QUOTE=tpols;15044670]Thats an insane argument to make. Rodman absolutely showed his defensive medal on the Bulls. He locked down Karl Malone and Shaq for Christ sake. :lol And should've been 1996 FMVP.[/QUOTE]

Lets see. Wore out his welcome with the Spurs in just two seasons, also came off the bench alot with the Spurs. Had one year with the Bulls in '96 where he performed great then eventually went back to his head case ways and was coming off the bench in some pivital playoff games for them.

Rodman had averages of 2/7/2 on 30 TS% in the '97 Finals and 3/8/1 in the '98 Finals.

And you guys clown Draymond for his offense?

:lol

[QUOTE=97 bulls;15044664]Green has ALWAYS been an offensive liability lol. Rodman most definitely showed defensive prowess with the Bulls and Spurs. There's actual youtube videos that tracked Rodmans defense on players like Karl Malone and Hakeem Olajuwan. Shaq too. Rodman transformed his defense into a low post defender.[/QUOTE]

I mean sure, Rodman was still a plus defender for the Bulls, but nowhere near what he was in Detroit. Could no longer guard multiple positions at the level he once did and was never even a rim protector to begin with. The Spurs saw no drop off in their defense when Rodman left. He wasn't the game changer he was in Detroit.

And Draymond has not always been an offensive liability. He was actually a much better offensive player than prime Rodman, Draymond is arguably the greatest passing power forward ever and was the primary playmaker for the dynasty Warriors. That alone blows away anything Rodman had to offer on offense.

[QUOTE=BarberSchool;15044651]I was indifferent to Kenyon Martin as a player… probably because we were spoiled in the 00’s with a lot of athletic forwards who gave us endless violent dunks.

But I’m gonna start speaking on his name more frequently, always with a positive connotation.[/QUOTE]

I talked with him in 2017 when I went to the Finals. He was out of the league for a few years at that point but I was surprised about how he looked a lot smaller in person.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15044677]I mean sure, Rodman was still a plus defender for the Bulls, but nowhere near what he was in Detroit. Could no longer guard multiple positions at the level he once did and was never even a rim protector to begin with. The Spurs saw no drop off in their defense when Rodman left. He wasn't the game changer he was in Detroit.

And Draymond has not always been an offensive liability. He was actually a much better offensive player than prime Rodman, Draymond is arguably the greatest passing power forward ever and was the primary playmaker for the dynasty Warriors. That alone blows away anything Rodman had to offer on offense.[/QUOTE]

Rodman is arguably the greatest offensive rebounder ever. Not to mention Rodman never looked to shoot that wasn't his job. Even with the Bulls on defense. Why would Rodman have to guard the perimeter when you have Pippen, Jordan, Harper, and Randy Brown?

Again, relegating a whole career to a series. Lol.

My point stands, Rodman was much more impactful than Green was.

[QUOTE=97 bulls;15044683]Rodman is arguably the greatest offensive rebounder ever. Not to mention Rodman never looked to shoot that wasn't his job. Even with the Bulls on defense. Why would Rodman have to guard the perimeter when you have Pippen, Jordan, Harper, and Randy Brown?

Again, relegating a whole career to a series. Lol.

My point stands, Rodman was much more impactful than Green was.[/QUOTE]

Jeff Foster and Reggie Evans were top tier offensive rebounders, doesn't change the fact that they were dogshit offensive players. :lol

Rodman was lucky enough to play before social media. He would be clowned today for his performances & getting benched in the '97 & '98 Finals. Didn't even start games in the '98 Finals and he was even worse as a starter vs Utah in '97. Here you are shitting on Draymond for what he did without Curry and Klay, while ignoring prime Rodman in that situation would have been the exact same outcome. Both were super role players, not the type of players who can carry a team.

Just another case of nostalgia blinding people.

Prime Draymond takes a dump on Chicago Rodman.

Detroit Rodman vs prime Draymond is an actual debate, but I might still take Draymond.

[QUOTE=97 bulls;15044683]Rodman is arguably the greatest offensive rebounder ever. Not to mention Rodman never looked to shoot that wasn't his job. Even with the Bulls on defense. Why would Rodman have to guard the perimeter when you have Pippen, Jordan, Harper, and Randy Brown?

Again, relegating a whole career to a series. Lol.

My point stands, Rodman was much more impactful than Green was.[/QUOTE]

Imagine creating a whole account to prop up MJ’s teammates.

Da Heezy, you are one lame mother ****er :lol

[QUOTE=tpols;15044600]Seems like everybody in the comments is agreeing what we've told you for years. Dray has no offensive bag whatsoever, is undersized, and prone to crash outs on defense too. The Warriors elite talent and system made him. Kenyon Martin was just as good on defense with similar offense, yet has nowhere near the accolades. This phenomenon is what has been referred to as the "winning spotlight" effect.[/QUOTE]

I always hated this take from people. His defense is probably top 10 all-time.. The fact that he's able to guard 7-footers and get 9-10 boards a game in the POs while sized like a guard is crazy. He's also an underrated playmaker and has had years where he shot 40+%3PT for the title run and averaged near-triple-doubles on top of averaging like 2 steals and blocks a game for a whole Playoff series. When KD went down and Iguodala was injured he really stepped up and thanks to him they almost took the 2019 Raptors to 7 games despite only having 2 healthy starters by the end of that series. He averaged 15/11/9/2/2 in the WCF + Finals combined that year.
He had one of the best Game 7 performances too when they lost to Cleveland so that got completely overshadowed by Kyrie breaking them at the end of the game. He's a great player.


Kenyon Martin is just ragebaiting for views. He's also probably a little salty that Draymond reminds him a bit of himself but Dray didn't fall off after 5 years in the league.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15044696]Imagine creating a whole account to prop up MJ’s teammates.

Da Heezy, you are one lame mother ****er :lol[/QUOTE]

Imagine creating an account to bash Jordans teammates. I dont lie or even exaggerate. Don't get your panties in a bunch because Jordan had great teammates. Go back and look at my posts before trolls like you made it your mission to undermine Jordans team. Youre the reason we have to keep hearing that 1-9 argument.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15044694]Jeff Foster and Reggie Evans were top tier offensive rebounders, doesn't change the fact that they were dogshit offensive players. :lol

Rodman was lucky enough to play before social media. He would be clowned today for his performances & getting benched in the '97 & '98 Finals. Didn't even start games in the '98 Finals and he was even worse as a starter vs Utah in '97. Here you are shitting on Draymond for what he did without Curry and Klay, while ignoring prime Rodman in that situation would have been the exact same outcome. Both were super role players, not the type of players who can carry a team.

Just another case of nostalgia blinding people.

Prime Draymond takes a dump on Chicago Rodman.

Detroit Rodman vs prime Draymond is an actual debate, but I might still take Draymond.[/QUOTE]

Ain't nobody putting Jeff Foster or Reggie Evans in any debate. But you. Lol. I dont even know why this is an argument. Green has played his whole career in a high scoring era, he has a career average on 9ppg. Rodmans averaged 7ppg while playing most of his career in the 90s.

Youre sitting here trying to argue on behalf on a player that got outshot by a damn comedian. Lol a 5'4 tall one at that. Stop it. We saw all we needed to see from Green when Steph and Kaly went down and he sucked. He couldn't lead rats to a garbage can. Lol.

The fact is that Draymond Green is a Paul Pressey on steroids. Rodman is Bill Russell.

[QUOTE=97 bulls;15044699]Imagine creating an account to bash Jordans teammates. I dont lie or even exaggerate. Don't get your panties in a bunch because Jordan had great teammates. Go back and look at my posts before trolls like you made it your mission to undermine Jordans team. Youre the reason we have to keep hearing that 1-9 argument.[/QUOTE]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

This isn’t I’m not you whatever doesn’t stick to me sticks to you.

I first and foremost talk Warriors.

Look at your username. Your PFP has Rodman in it…..When is the last time you have posted in a thread that was not about 1990’s Bulls? (aka Michael Jordan).

Rent free. You are obsessed. Get a life my brother.

Turns out they just found draymond in a police incident.



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[QUOTE=warriorfan;15044702]:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

This isn’t I’m not you whatever doesn’t stick to me sticks to you.

I first and foremost talk Warriors.

Look at your username. Your PFP has Rodman in it…..When is the last time you have posted in a thread that was not about 1990’s Bulls? (aka Michael Jordan).

Rent free. You are obsessed. Get a life my brother.[/QUOTE]

This thread. 😆 🤣 😂

I came in here to talk about Green and Martin. 87 Lakers introduced Rodman. If you dont like what I post, ignore it. Crybaby. Or cry harder. I aint gonna stop. Lol

[QUOTE=97 bulls;15044708]This thread. 😆 🤣 😂

I came in here to talk about Green and Martin. 87 Lakers introduced Rodman. If you dont like what I post, ignore it. Crybaby. Or cry harder. I aint gonna stop. Lol[/QUOTE]

99% of your posts are about Michael Jordan

:roll:

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15044709]99% of your posts are about Michael Jordan

:roll:[/QUOTE]

Thats not true. But even if it is, SO??? Like I told your crybaby ass previously, dont respond, or cry harder. Lol

You can also feel free to block me.

[QUOTE=97 bulls;15044650]The biggest knock on Green is what he did when Steph and Klay went down. The Warriors were plain awful. And lets keep in mind that Greens triple single averages are in a much faster paced era.[/QUOTE]

Draymond isn't expected to be a big time floor raiser so the teams lack of success means very little in this regard. You take the #1 and #2 options off any playoff team and they're going to suck.

Richard Jefferson had the best take away with these two. He definately mic dropped it when it came to these two. Draymond does pick and choose who to bully so he’s not in the same box as a Kmart in that regard. Doesn’t matter if you’re a wittle point guard or a guy with muscles. The energy is not only the same but with whomever. Draymond can disagree but to come at Kmart calling him an underachiever was wrong. Especially when Kmart has praised your accomplishments with the Warriors. Which is why Kmart went over his list that I don’t honestly feel he believes. But it was his way of matching Draymond energy for his underachiever comment.

Both to me are glue guys. And there’s nothing wrong with it. Because teams who win are are title contenders value glue guys highly for a reason. Remember when Melo trades hit the scene and Chicago was mentioned? Bulls weren’t giving up Noah for Melo for that reason. Noah was their glue guy.

Hopefully Draymond and Kmart can squash it and appear on the same platform/podcast shooting the shyt. Draymond is way more likable doing social media than he is as a player.


[QUOTE=Yes or No;15044649]Which is still more than you.[/QUOTE]

You hide under different names. Hard to take anything you say seriously. It’s one thing for a person to be one way online then you meet them offline. And it doesn’t match. It’s another to do that online using different usernames

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15044679]I talked with him in 2017 when I went to the Finals. He was out of the league for a few years at that point but I was surprised about how he looked a lot smaller in person.[/QUOTE]

Same for literally every NBA I ever met in person.

Except Bill Cartwright who is legit 7ft tall.

Zaza is maybe 6’8”

Rip Hamilton is my height. Not 6’7”

Derrick Rose is maybe 6’2” on a good day.

Kyrie is not only short, but has shorter limbs/range than expected.

Etc etc.

The Warriors literally turned around when Dray became a full time starter over David Lee.
It also correlated with Steve Kerr replacing Mark Jackson as well. Take that information however you want it.

Kenyon Martin would not be an All-Star in today's NBA as well. He's was getting passed over behind David West and Carlos Boozer and today he would be getting passed over for Sabonis, Vucevic, Kessler, etc.
He would be basically Jarrett Allen in today's NBA.

I have a good feeling Draymond would make All-Star Teams over Anthony Mason (most similar comparison), Memet Okur, Jamaal Magloire.

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle;15044813]The Warriors literally turned around when Dray became a full time starter over David Lee.
It also correlated with Steve Kerr replacing Mark Jackson as well. Take that information however you want it.

Kenyon Martin would not be an All-Star in today's NBA as well. He's was getting passed over behind David West and Carlos Boozer and today he would be getting passed over for Sabonis, Vucevic, Kessler, etc.
He would be basically Jarrett Allen in today's NBA.

I have a good feeling Draymond would make All-Star Teams over Anthony Mason (most similar comparison), Memet Okur, Jamaal Magloire.[/QUOTE]

Dray would've been a bench player on the Nets and Nuggets teams Kenyon Martin played on. His goon tactics wouldn't work in the early 2000s where he'd get outgoon'ed and his offensive skill already paltry today would be exploited even moreso back then. Martin was a #1 pick talent. He clearly had more potential but didnt play on the dynasty warriors. He was nice with the NJ Nets though. They made 2 Finals and he was their 2nd best player behind Kidd.

[QUOTE=tpols;15044818]Dray would've been a bench player on the Nets and Nuggets teams Kenyon Martin played on. His goon tactics wouldn't work in the early 2000s where he'd get outgoon'ed and his offensive skill already paltry today would be exploited even moreso back then. Martin was a #1 pick talent. He clearly had more potential but didnt play on the dynasty warriors. He was nice with the NJ Nets though. They made 2 Finals and he was their 2nd best player behind Kidd.[/QUOTE]

Warriors wouldn't have been anywhere near as good if you replaced Draymond with Kenyon. Draymond was basically their vocal leader and playmaker, not to mention Draymond was far more versatile as a defender and player overall with top tier basketball IQ.

I'll never forget when Kenyon came out and made a big deal of Jeremy Lin wearing dreadlocks because he was Asian, while at the same time Kenyon had some Chinese tattoos. I've heard him speak in some podcasts and dude is kinda of dumb when discussing basketball, nowhere near the basketball IQ of Draymond.