1st quarter in Game 3 of 93' ECF - MJ 8 pts, 6 ast... Pip 6 pts, 0 ast... 15 pt lead

The game was never close after that..

It was a giveaway game for the Knicks where they would see if they could keep it close early on, but then pack it in and save energy for Game 4 if the Bulls started running away with it.

[I]This was common knowledge at the time[/I].

The reason this matters is because Pippen never took over as the top dog in a meaningful playoff game - EVER... So Jordan wasn't just the top dog in every series (unprecedented), but also every meaningful GAME

They were up by 10. Not 15

6 points in the quarter? Nice.

That’s the game Jordan went 3/18.

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15044849]They were up by 10. Not 15[/QUOTE]


Up by 11 and up by 20 a few minutes into the 2nd

Again, show me a meaningful game where Pippen took over and was "the guy"

I can show you MANY games or entire series where Kyrie was the man, and entire playoff runs for AD or Wade.. Yet you can't show me a single GAME for Pippen.

Speaks volumes..

Pippen was mostly a dunker that couldn't take over or even reach 15 ppg outside the system... Accordingly, for Jordan to go 6 for 6 with that crap is goat - he's the only guy that had to be top dog in every series and every game.. Everyone else in history had a teammate to take over games or series, except the GOAT

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15044866]That’s the game Jordan went 3/18.[/QUOTE]


Dominated during the only competitive stretch of the game, while Pippen was MIA until garbage time.. The 4th quarter was the 1st quarter in this game

Ultimately, Pippen had six 30-point playoff games in his career, so Jordan is the only guy that entered each title run like "None of my teammates will take over a single game on this run, so I will need to dominate every game"

Only the GOAT had to say that entering each title run

[QUOTE=3ba11;15044833]The game was never close after that..

It was a giveaway game for the Knicks where they would see if they could keep it close early on, but then pack it in and save energy for Game 4 if the Bulls started running away with it.

[I]This was common knowledge at the time[/I].

The reason this matters is because [B][SIZE=5]Pippen never took over as the top dog in a meaningful playoff game[/SIZE][/B] - EVER... So Jordan wasn't just the top dog in every series (unprecedented), but also every meaningful GAME[/QUOTE]

To be fair though, nobody else is taking over as top dog either if they're playing with MJ...

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15044849]They were up by 10. Not 15[/QUOTE]

OP caught lying again, what a surprise.

I've never seen a poster embellish stats the way he does to try to prove a point.

Dude deserves a bitch slap.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15044881]OP caught lying again, what a surprise.

I've never seen a poster embellish stats the way he does to try to prove a point.

Dude deserves a bitch slap.[/QUOTE]


Remember when Marquez knocked out Pacquiao, aka convincing win??

This dynamic is relevant because Lebron never beat a great player convincingly, while Jordan knocked out Magic, Shaq and Isiah via sweep

Specifically, Lebron barely beat the Warriors and Spurs once each via bailout, but then lost to them 3 times each.. Then AD carried the Lakers over the Nuggets before the Nuggets swept Lebron twice after that.

Ultimately, Lebron only won as the preseason favorite against teams that he had better rosters than, while Jordan won 6 chips against ECF and Finals opponents that had better rosters - the Bulls were NOTHING from the 3 through 12 spots, and the numbers show that Jordan's casts were massively out-produced in every series.. Jordan won with far less passing help and scoring help than the opponent, while Lebron always had higher team assists and the best scoring help ever when he won.

Ultimately, Lebron is a joke because even during his prime with all-star teammates, he has lottery record in the playoffs against everyone, such as the TWolves, Mavs, Magic, Celtics, Nuggets, Spurs, Suns and Warriors

[QUOTE=3ba11;15044885]Remember when Marquez knocked out Pacquiao, aka convincing win??

This dynamic is relevant because Lebron never beat a great player convincingly, while Jordan knocked out Magic, Shaq and Isiah via sweep

Specifically, Lebron barely beat the Warriors and Spurs once each via bailout, but then lost to them 3 times each.. Then AD carried the Lakers over the Nuggets before the Nuggets swept Lebron twice after that.

Ultimately, Lebron only won as the preseason favorite against teams that he had better rosters than, while Jordan won 6 chips against ECF and Finals opponents that had better rosters - the Bulls were NOTHING from the 3 through 12 spots, and the numbers show that Jordan's casts were massively out-produced in every series.. Jordan won with far less passing help and scoring help than the opponent, while Lebron always had higher team assists and the best scoring help ever when he won.

Ultimately, Lebron is a joke because even during his prime with all-star teammates, he has lottery record in the playoffs against everyone, such as the TWolves, Mavs, Magic, Celtics, Nuggets, Spurs, Suns and Warriors[/QUOTE]

Why did you lie?

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15044888]Why did you lie?[/QUOTE]

^Tries to call people out....when he thinks the moon is a spaceship.


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[QUOTE=Full Court;15044891]^Tries to call people out....when he thinks the moon is a spaceship.


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Remember a couple of days ago when you said I lied about you saying Pistol Pete was a better passer than Jokic? I provided the quote of you saying that and you had to put your tail between your legs.

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Scoring is literally the only way a player can dominate a game. Wilt averaging 22/29/9/10 over the '67 playoffs was obv not a dominating playoff run since he only averaged a Pippen like 22 ppg.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15044893]Remember a couple of days ago when you said I lied about you saying Pistol Pete was a better passer than Jokic? I provided the quote of you saying that and you had to put your tail between your legs.

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And yet you STILL think the moon is a spaceship. :roll:

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[QUOTE=Full Court;15044929]And yet you STILL think the moon is a spaceship. :roll:

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And you were still voted dumbest poster on ISH.

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?514823-Dumbest-Poster-on-ISH-2023-Edition[/url]

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[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15044932]And you were still voted dumbest poster on ISH.

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?514823-Dumbest-Poster-on-ISH-2023-Edition[/url]

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Look at the bright side, homie. You know just as much about basketball as you do about the moon. :roll:

:lebronamazed:

[QUOTE=3ba11;15044833]The game was never close after that..

It was a giveaway game for the Knicks where they would see if they could keep it close early on, but then pack it in and save energy for Game 4 if the Bulls started running away with it.

[I]This was common knowledge at the time[/I].[/QUOTE]

You mean the game Pip shot 83% from the field, outscoring an Mj that shot 17 free throws?!! Higher game score, offensive rating and all. Not so nice try.

[QUOTE=3ba11;15044835]The reason this matters is because Pippen never took over as the top dog in a meaningful playoff game - EVER... So Jordan wasn't just the top dog in every series (unprecedented), but also every meaningful GAME[/QUOTE]
Ehh, probably that series Pippen got consideration for FMVP before getting injured. Or maybe the one Rodman got FMVP talk. Or even the finals game the 3rd option (Kukoc) outscored Mj while shooting 85% from the field and Mj shot 35%.

That game

MJ 22 points on 18 shots

Pippen 29 points on 12 shots

This game is a great example of how Pippen could be a 27/7/7 guy if not for playing alongside a ball hogging low efficiency chucker his entire career

Great thread OP

Chicago swept the 91 ECF.... Pippen named most outstanding player of game 4 for the clincher.

[QUOTE=Manny98;15045002]That game

MJ 22 points on 18 shots

Pippen 29 points on 12 shots

This game is a great example of how Pippen could be a 27/7/7 guy if not for playing alongside a ball hogging low efficiency chucker his entire career

Great thread OP[/QUOTE]

A great example indeed. Jordan retired after that Playoff run. Did Pippen average more than 22 ppg the next year? Oh, he didnt. Did he put up more than 25 points in a single game against the Knicks despite getting the most FGA that he did in any other series of his career? Oh, he didn't.

I'll just leave this here.......

[video=youtube_share;90daXp-jHIg]https://youtu.be/90daXp-jHIg?t=3966[/video]

[B][U]Timestamp 1:06:06[/U][/B]

commentary says something pretty interesting. Im just surprised that 3ball cant even be bothered to watch actual Mj games and not the boxscore. Something about being carried.....

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15045313]I'll just leave this here.......

[video=youtube_share;90daXp-jHIg]https://youtu.be/90daXp-jHIg?t=3966[/video]

[B][U]Timestamp 1:06:06[/U][/B]

commentary says something pretty interesting. Im just surprised that 3ball cant even be bothered to watch actual Mj games and not the boxscore. Something about being carried.....[/QUOTE]
A dagger to 3ball's heart :lol He proceeded to go 2/11 after that.

Marv Albert a minute later also says "it's still early in the game", debunking his already idiotic claim the game was over after the 1st.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15045313]I'll just leave this here.......

[video=youtube_share;90daXp-jHIg]https://youtu.be/90daXp-jHIg?t=3966[/video]

[B][U]Timestamp 1:06:06[/U][/B]

commentary says something pretty interesting. Im just surprised that 3ball cant even be bothered to watch actual Mj games and not the boxscore. Something about being carried.....[/QUOTE]


Damn

[QUOTE=Marv Albert]Biggest lead of the game for chicago, a 16-point margin. Look at that stat. Jordan only 1-7, [I]the rest[/I] of the bulls 12-14. [B][I][U]so here are his teammates, carrying Michael Jordan[/U][/I][/B][/QUOTE]

And this is from Marv Albert a goat nba commentator who would seemingly cream his pants just saying "Jordan! Yes!" So no claims of a hit job here.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15045534]And this is from Marv Albert a goat nba commentator who would seemingly cream his pants just saying "Jordan! Yes!" So no claims of a hit job here.[/QUOTE]
Brutal. It's no wonder they shook off him quitting to still win 55 games.

[QUOTE=3ba11;15044833]The game was never close after that..

It was a giveaway game for the Knicks where they would see if they could keep it close early on, but then pack it in and save energy for Game 4 if the Bulls started running away with it.

[I]This was common knowledge at the time[/I].

The reason this matters is because Pippen never took over as the top dog in a meaningful playoff game - EVER... So Jordan wasn't just the top dog in every series (unprecedented), but also every meaningful GAME[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=3ball][url=https://postimg.cc/nszLfTMp][img]https://i.postimg.cc/nszLfTMp/x9Ycy-RA.gif[/img][/url][/QUOTE]

Sounds about right.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15045313]I'll just leave this here.......

[video=youtube_share;90daXp-jHIg]https://youtu.be/90daXp-jHIg?t=3966[/video]

[B][U]Timestamp 1:06:06[/U][/B]

commentary says something pretty interesting. Im just surprised that 3ball cant even be bothered to watch actual Mj games and not the boxscore. Something about being carried.....[/QUOTE]


^^^ the timestamp that you posted was 2 possessions into the 2nd quarter - both possessions were assisted by Jordan to give the Bulls a 16-point lead.. So Jordan had [B]8[/B] points and [B]8[/B] assists to get the 16-point lead that your timestamp shows, while Pippen was MIA with [B]6[/B] points and [B]0[/B] assists at that point..

(fyi - at the end of the 1st quarter, Marv mentions that Jordan has 8 points and 6 assists - 1:04:01 timestamp.. then your timestamp is 2 possessions into the 2nd quarter, which were both assisted by Jordan)

I rest my case - you clearly lost, and I clearly won this thread and argument - Pippen is the only 2nd option that has no playoff games or series where he took over as 1st option

[QUOTE=3ba11;15045926]^^^ the timestamp that you posted was 2 possessions into the 2nd quarter - both possessions were assisted by Jordan to give the Bulls a 16-point lead.. So Jordan had [B]8[/B] points and [B]8[/B] assists to get the 16-point lead that your timestamp shows, while Pippen was MIA with [B]6[/B] points and [B]0[/B] assists at that point..

(fyi - at the end of the 1st quarter, Marv mentions that Jordan has 8 points and 6 assists - 1:04:01 timestamp.. then your timestamp is 2 possessions into the 2nd quarter, which were both assisted by Jordan)

[B]I rest my case - you clearly lost, and I clearly won this thread and argument[/B] - Pippen is the only 2nd option that has no playoff games or series where he took over as 1st option[/QUOTE]

Actually the opposite is true, youre down so bad in this thread you're talking about assists! Historically whenever its come to Pippen's assists, or even Lebron's they haven't held any weight from you're perspective in any thread ive ever seen you in. Holy backpedal the goalposts batman. Is it all about scoring or not? Truth of the matter is right there in real time Marv Albert said on national TV Jordan’s teammates were carrying him in a game the pregame hype package deemed do or die. And Marv Albert loves Mj's dirty gym shorts more than you or anyone on this board ever did lol. You've gotta hold the Guinness world record for thread backfires. Case slammed closed.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15046021]Actually the opposite is true, youre down so bad in this thread you're talking about assists! Historically whenever its come to Pippen's assists, or even Lebron's they haven't held any weight from you're perspective in any thread ive ever seen you in. Holy backpedal the goalposts batman. Is it all about scoring or not? Truth of the matter is right there in real time Marv Albert said on national TV Jordan’s teammates were carrying him in a game the pregame hype package deemed do or die. And Marv Albert loves Mj's dirty gym shorts more than you or anyone on this board ever did lol. You've gotta hold the Guinness world record for thread backfires. Case slammed closed.[/QUOTE]


Jordan outscored Pippen to get the 16-point lead, so you have no point - then he out-assisted him 8 to zero.. That's the only reason it's significant is because zero assists is abnormally-low for Pippen or anyone.... The reason I don't normally care about assists is because I know that Jordan, Pippen or Lebron average similar numbers generally.. This game was an exception for Pippen, so I pointed it out - zero assists to Jordan's 8 is really bad, especially when Jordan is also outscoring Pippen to get the 16 point lead (and taking on all the defensive attention)

[QUOTE=3ba11;15046162]Jordan outscored Pippen to get the 16-point lead, so you have no point - then he out-assisted him 8 to zero.. That's the only reason it's significant is because zero assists is abnormally-low for Pippen or anyone.... The reason I don't normally care about assists is because I know that Jordan, Pippen or Lebron average similar numbers generally.. This game was an exception for Pippen, so I pointed it out - zero assists to Jordan's 8 is really bad, especially when Jordan is also outscoring Pippen to get the 16 point lead (and taking on all the defensive attention)[/QUOTE]

Jordan went 1 for 7 while his teammates, Pippen included went 12 for 14 from the field. There's no coming back from that. You picked another fight without knowing what you were getting into. You took an L. For millionth time at that. Its fun to see you completely flip your stances in times of crisis lol.