My suggestion for the Warriors to turn it around. What's yours?

Winning in the NBA today requires 5 high-quality players, at least 4 of which need to be 2-way players. Role players matter.

Starting Podziemski is a mistake. Starting Post is a mistake.

The lineup should be:

Curry
Moody
Butler
Draymond
Horford

The 6th player should be GP 2 who plays incredible defense and scores (scored 19 points+ the other day).

Kerr over-emphasizes offense (to the detriment of defense) and over-emphasizes IQ and fundamentals (over overall talent).

Post is not doing anything in team play; he is not setting screens, he is not grabbing that many boards. He is too frail to guard the league's big men. And for Pods, people drive right around him. Let him lead the 2nd unit.

On paper Post looks ideal at Center. Big enough for D and can shoot the 3 ball. But the reality is that we don't really need another 3 point shooter. We need strong interior D, and team play like screening. Even when Horford was healthy, Post got too many minutes.

Much as I respect Kerr, I believe he is no longer dialed in, on what works. [B]He's developed specific preferences as a coach that don't align with winning. [/B]

This team's offense only works when you have crushing screens deterring defense on Curry. Maybe Jordan didnt need screens to run the offense, but Steph does. He does not get calls so you need to go the extra mile to put defenders on notice.

[B]When we were winning, Steph's defender wasn't even bothering to guard him in the 2nd half because he already had a concussion from getting screened by Bogut or Zaza or some other Eastern European player with boulder shoulders.[/B]

Horford is not ideal- at 39 and already benched for weird injuries like sciatica; Warriors had years to replace Bjelica with someone similar but haven't. Getting Anthony Davis would give them the team-playing, defensive-minded center they need IMO.

Is the season salvagable or not? And if so, what would you do?

Steph needs to stop bleaching.

Warriors are perfect OP, its just them refs stopping them.

If davis is the only answer to your problems time to deal the vets and start over

Dont imagine they want horford playing big minutes

[QUOTE=bdonovan;15045138]Winning in the NBA today requires 5 high-quality players, at least 4 of which need to be 2-way players. Role players matter.

Starting Podziemski is a mistake. Starting Post is a mistake.

The lineup should be:

Curry
Moody
Butler
Draymond
Horford

The 6th player should be GP 2 who plays incredible defense and scores (scored 19 points+ the other day).

Kerr over-emphasizes offense (to the detriment of defense) and over-emphasizes IQ and fundamentals (over overall talent).

Post is not doing anything in team play; he is not setting screens, he is not grabbing that many boards. He is too frail to guard the league's big men. And for Pods, people drive right around him. Let him lead the 2nd unit.

On paper Post looks ideal at Center. Big enough for D and can shoot the 3 ball. But the reality is that we don't really need another 3 point shooter. We need strong interior D, and team play like screening. Even when Horford was healthy, Post got too many minutes.

Much as I respect Kerr, I believe he is no longer dialed in, on what works. [B]He's developed specific preferences as a coach that don't align with winning. [/B]

This team's offense only works when you have crushing screens deterring defense on Curry. Maybe Jordan didnt need screens to run the offense, but Steph does. He does not get calls so you need to go the extra mile to put defenders on notice.

[B]When we were winning, Steph's defender wasn't even bothering to guard him in the 2nd half because he already had a concussion from getting screened by Bogut or Zaza or some other Eastern European player with boulder shoulders.[/B]

Horford is not ideal- at 39 and already benched for weird injuries like sciatica; Warriors had years to replace Bjelica with someone similar but haven't. Getting Anthony Davis would give them the team-playing, defensive-minded center they need IMO.

Is the season salvagable or not? And if so, what would you do?[/QUOTE]

From what I’ve seen while watching and the season +/- totals….Horford is completely cooked. I have to say I admit even how old he is I am a little surprised. I always figured he had the game and body where he could play forever. Post has problems but Warriors need spacing at the 5 when both Jimmy and Dray aren’t reliable floor spacers at the 3 and 4.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15045214]From what I’ve seen while watching and the season +/- totals….Horford is completely cooked. I have to say I admit even how old he is I am a little surprised. I always figured he had the game and body where he could play forever. Post has problems but Warriors need spacing at the 5 when both Jimmy and Dray aren’t reliable floor spacers at the 3 and 4.[/QUOTE]

Davis will space the floor! :roll:

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15045225]Davis will space the floor! :roll:[/QUOTE]

Can’t quit me! (Or your own mental illness which manages to boil down literally every single issue to Rudy Gobert)

Go **** yourself.

Cant skip me :facepalm

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15045229]Can’t quit me! (Or your own mental illness which manages to boil down literally every single issue to Rudy Gobert)

Go **** yourself.[/QUOTE]
That dickhead believes that Sabonis is faking his 20% 3PT%. Even though 89% of his threes are already taken with a defender at least 6 feet away (per NBA.com tracking stats), he thinks Sabonis needs to be left even more wide open and the Warriors will fix the bad shooting like magic.

I've diagnosed him as a full-fledged shit for brains. :hammerhead:

This article outlines the problem very well:
[url]www.cbssports.com/nba/news/jimmy-butler-warriors-role-sad-stephen-curry-injury/[/url]

[QUOTE]Jimmy Butler sounds like he's losing his joy again. That didn't take long. Butler has played 60 games with the Warriors, including last year's postseason, and already he's at his wits' end with a .500 team that leans almost entirely on Stephen Curry turning into Superman to win games.

"We're gonna have to be damn near perfect," Butler said of Golden State's chances of surviving without Curry, who is going to be out at least a week with a quad contusion. "We're not going to have the ultimate bail-out on our team."

"But even when [Curry] is on the floor, we're going to have to do our job because we make the game real difficult," Butler continued. "As great of a basketball player as he is, he has a really hard job. Every single day he's gotta be the Batman of all Batmans and save us every night. That ain't what he's here to do."

Butler was then asked to elaborate on what the Warriors do, in his estimation, to make "make the game hard" for themselves, and he rattled off a list of ills that have clearly been getting on his nerves for a while.

"We don't box out. We don't go with the scouting report. We let anybody do whatever they want. Open shots. Get into the paint. Free throws. It's just sad."

You be the judge for yourself, but this does not sound like a happy Jimmy Butler, whose, shall we say, enthusiasm for his current NBA situation has always had an expiration date.

Jimmy Butler says the Warriors are going to “have to be damn near perfect” to win without Curry if he’s out. Dissatisfied with Golden State’s play thus far.

“We don’t box out. We don’t go with the scouting report. We let anybody do whatever they want. … It’s just sad.”

More: pic.twitter.com/Vv5L9b5Kth

— Sam Gordon (@BySamGordon) November 27, 2025

So here's the thing: Butler isn't wrong. Curry righting all of Golden State's wrongs with nuclear scoring explosions is not a formula for sustained success. It's nice to have that ace up your sleeve, but no, you cannot be reaching for it every night. The Warriors are 10-10 and at least three of those wins are a direct result of Curry saving the day.

First he went for 42, including 35 after halftime, in an overtime victory vs. the Nuggets in the first week of the season. The Warriors had no business winning that game. Curry scored 16 straight points over a six-minute surge spanning the end of the fourth quarter and the start of overtime. All told, he outscored the Nuggets by himself, 18-15, from the 2:42 mark of the fourth forward. He had to sink this shot to get the game to overtime in the first place.

Steph Curry telling the Nuggets to take a timeout after he tied the game late

(Via @warriors)pic.twitter.com/GRxfOheML7

— Fullcourtpass (@Fullcourtpass) October 24, 2025

A couple of weeks ago, Curry basically single-handedly lifted the Warriors over Victor Wembanyama and the Spurs twice in three nights by rattling off 95 points and 15 3-pointers. Again, this is a great option to have. Any good team, let alone one aspiring to be a contender, has a superstar who needs to save the day once in a while.

But the Warriors are supposed to have two superstars. You see what I'm getting at here?

Butler is quick to call out all these things the Warriors aren't doing well, which, again, he's not wrong about, but conveniently, we're not hearing anything about Golden State's 110.3 offensive rating when Butler is on the floor without Curry, which would rank as the fifth-worst mark in the league.

I know the rebuttal to this point. The Warriors are still a net positive when Butler is on the floor without Curry because of a 90th percentile defensive rating, per Cleaning the Glass, and it's true that Curry's defense isn't what it once was in terms of staying in front of people, so as much as Curry saves the day offensively, he's at the point now where he's the one getting bailed out a lot of the time defensively.

Still, that's not the larger point. Curry going nuclear is still the only hope this team has, and it shouldn't be that way. Prior to the season, I picked the Warriors to go to the Finals, and even though that's not looking like a very good call barring a trade (which is probably going to happen for Jonathan Kuminga once he's eligible to be moved on Jan. 15), the larger point is that optimism was rooted in the idea that Butler, after acclimating himself over the last half of last season, would be willing to stretch his scoring comfort zone.

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The Warriors need a 2nd option to play like a2nd option. You see it on the Lakers with Reeves outscoring Luka at times. Butler is comfortable coasting

I’m glad Jimmy is stepping up and holding people accountable . I don’t want to jump to conclusions but it seems like the beginning of the season honeymoon period the Warriors and Kuminga had is all but over. I wonder if any of the toxicity surrounding that never ending drama is seeping through. But even besides all of that is the obvious points that the Warriors are insanely old and they aren’t very talented and they have a poor roster construction in terms of fit.

I see this all as a culmination of three things off the top of my head.

For one all dynasties end ugly and there is a substantial rebuild period after. Then there is the poor decision by the front office to try to build “two timelines” where they swung big on Wiseman and Kuminga and whiffed twice. Third is the new CBA really ****ed the Warriors. Not complaining because they got 4 titles but it was kinda insane to just come out of nowhere and enforce the new CBA out of the blue. The Warriors built their team and their future based on one set of rules then all the apron stuff drops. There wasn’t really much they could do at that point. Also the CBA thing kind of voids reason two where Kuminga and Wiseman hit and turn out to be good, I don’t think the Warriors would able to resign them when the time comes.

[QUOTE=beasted;15045274]The Warriors need a 2nd option to play like a2nd option. You see it on the Lakers with Reeves outscoring Luka at times. Butler is comfortable coasting[/QUOTE]

Do you think he's capable of it? He was a lead scorer on a team where the next best option was Bam Adebayo (or Tyler Herro). I've watched his game on and off over the years and on the Warriors and I still don't quite understand it. Mid-range and the occasional drive and go to the line.

But I do agree he needs to step up more. If he can get more help on D instead of having to cover for everytime Podziemiski's man beats him off the dribble, he might have more gas in the tank for offense.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15045275]I’m glad Jimmy is stepping up and holding people accountable . I don’t want to jump to conclusions but it seems like the beginning of the season honeymoon period the Warriors and Kuminga had is all but over. I wonder if any of the toxicity surrounding that never ending drama is seeping through. But even besides all of that is the obvious points that the Warriors are insanely old and they aren’t very talented and they have a poor roster construction in terms of fit.

I see this all as a culmination of three things off the top of my head.

For one all dynasties end ugly and there is a substantial rebuild period after. Then there is the poor decision by the front office to try to build “two timelines” where they swung big on Wiseman and Kuminga and whiffed twice. Third is the new CBA really ****ed the Warriors. Not complaining because they got 4 titles but it was kinda insane to just come out of nowhere and enforce the new CBA out of the blue. The Warriors built their team and their future based on one set of rules then all the apron stuff drops. There wasn’t really much they could do at that point. Also the CBA thing kind of voids reason two where Kuminga and Wiseman hit and turn out to be good, I don’t think the Warriors would able to resign them when the time comes.[/QUOTE]

Glad to see it. Kerr doesn't seem to cracking the whip, so someone needs to. I found it funny that Pods already assumed it was about him. And it probably is. Jimmy has gotten the most out of mediocre teams with his leadership, will be interesting to see how it works in Golden State. It might ruffle some feathers; sometimes the team rebels and throws Jimmy out or they fall in line.

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15045275]I’m glad Jimmy is stepping up and holding people accountable . I don’t want to jump to conclusions but it seems like the beginning of the season honeymoon period the Warriors and Kuminga had is all but over. I wonder if any of the toxicity surrounding that never ending drama is seeping through. But even besides all of that is the obvious points that the Warriors are insanely old and they aren’t very talented and they have a poor roster construction in terms of fit.

I see this all as a culmination of three things off the top of my head.

For one all dynasties end ugly and there is a substantial rebuild period after. Then there is the poor decision by the front office to try to build “two timelines” where they swung big on Wiseman and Kuminga and whiffed twice. Third is the new CBA really ****ed the Warriors. Not complaining because they got 4 titles but it was kinda insane to just come out of nowhere and enforce the new CBA out of the blue. The Warriors built their team and their future based on one set of rules then all the apron stuff drops. There wasn’t really much they could do at that point. Also the CBA thing kind of voids reason two where Kuminga and Wiseman hit and turn out to be good, I don’t think the Warriors would able to resign them when the time comes.[/QUOTE]

FYI- thought I'd give some context (courtesy of ChatGPT).

The NBA’s new CBA (starting 2023–24) added extremely harsh penalties for teams that go way over the luxury tax — especially big-spending dynasties like Golden State.

�� Key point:

Under the old rules, the Warriors could spend huge amounts and keep their roster together because ownership was willing to pay the tax.

Under the new second-apron rules, that becomes almost impossible.

�� Why the new CBA hurts the Warriors specifically

Golden State was the highest-spending team in NBA history — over $300M per year in salary + tax.
The league responded by creating a system to stop teams from “buying continuity forever.”

Here’s what the second apron prevents:

❌ 1. No mid-level exception (MLE)

Warriors used to get decent role players with this tool.
Now it’s removed — so no more Otto Porter, Donte DiVincenzo, GP2-type additions.

❌ 2. They cannot aggregate salaries in trades (huge deal)

Meaning:
You can’t take two mid-sized contracts and combine them to acquire a bigger player.

So you can’t package, for example:
Wiggins + Moody + GP2
to get a star.

This kills their ability to make major upgrades.

❌ 3. You can’t trade future first-round picks 7 years out

Even more restrictions on their draft assets.

❌ 4. You can’t sign buyout players

No more adding veterans cheaply after the trade deadline.

❌ 5. Harder to keep your own young players

Because each raises your payroll dramatically, pushing you deeper into the second apron.

[QUOTE=beasted;15045273]This article outlines the problem very well:
[url]www.cbssports.com/nba/news/jimmy-butler-warriors-role-sad-stephen-curry-injury/[/url][/QUOTE]

Wow, 100 % to this: "We don't box out. We don't go with the scouting report. We let anybody do whatever they want. Open shots. Get into the paint. Free throws. It's just sad."

Will be reading the article. Somebody gets it.

[QUOTE=bdonovan;15045279]Do you think he's capable of it? He was a lead scorer on a team where the next best option was Bam Adebayo (or Tyler Herro). I've watched his game on and off over the years and on the Warriors and I still don't quite understand it. Mid-range and the occasional drive and go to the line.

But I do agree he needs to step up more. If he can get more help on D instead of having to cover for everytime Podziemiski's man beats him off the dribble, he might have more gas in the tank for offense.[/QUOTE]

No, I don't. I watched Butler a lot last year prior to the trade and after. He is incapable of playing at a high level every night. If he tries, he'll fall apart quickly.

He is at the age where he needs to coast. But, Warriors need significant defensive help and a true 2nd option.

[QUOTE=bdonovan;15045281]FYI- thought I'd give some context (courtesy of ChatGPT).

The NBA’s new CBA (starting 2023–24) added extremely harsh penalties for teams that go way over the luxury tax — especially big-spending dynasties like Golden State.

�� Key point:

Under the old rules, the Warriors could spend huge amounts and keep their roster together because ownership was willing to pay the tax.

Under the new second-apron rules, that becomes almost impossible.

�� Why the new CBA hurts the Warriors specifically

Golden State was the highest-spending team in NBA history — over $300M per year in salary + tax.
The league responded by creating a system to stop teams from “buying continuity forever.”

Here’s what the second apron prevents:

❌ 1. No mid-level exception (MLE)

Warriors used to get decent role players with this tool.
Now it’s removed — so no more Otto Porter, Donte DiVincenzo, GP2-type additions.

❌ 2. They cannot aggregate salaries in trades (huge deal)

Meaning:
You can’t take two mid-sized contracts and combine them to acquire a bigger player.

So you can’t package, for example:
Wiggins + Moody + GP2
to get a star.

This kills their ability to make major upgrades.

❌ 3. You can’t trade future first-round picks 7 years out

Even more restrictions on their draft assets.

❌ 4. You can’t sign buyout players

No more adding veterans cheaply after the trade deadline.

❌ 5. Harder to keep your own young players

Because each raises your payroll dramatically, pushing you deeper into the second apron.[/QUOTE]

Yeah. Sounds about right. I was looking into that stuff a decent amount when it happened.

I guess I’m not in the know but it seemingly came out of nowhere. I guess guys in the league knew something was coming but even if they have a full years time of a heads up….its not enough. Warriors had a long term plan going on and the CBA changes dropped a bomb on the whole thing.

[QUOTE=beasted;15045284]No, I don't. I watched Butler a lot last year prior to the trade and after. He is incapable of playing at a high level every night. If he tries, he'll fall apart quickly.

He is at the age where he needs to coast. But, Warriors need significant defensive help and a true 2nd option.[/QUOTE]

He played most of the games in the final stretch during the big playoff push. Played hard and played well too. Any Jimmy struggles is mainly due to the team being a lot more dysfunctional than most will admit.

Trade Curry to the Hornets, at the same time he signs with Jordan brand ! :lol

[QUOTE=warriorfan;15045288]Yeah. Sounds about right. I was looking into that stuff a decent amount when it happened.

I guess I’m not in the know but it seemingly came out of nowhere. I guess guys in the league knew something was coming but even if they have a full years time of a heads up….its not enough. Warriors had a long term plan going on and the CBA changes dropped a bomb on the whole thing.



He played most of the games in the final stretch during the big playoff push. Played hard and played well too. Any Jimmy struggles is mainly due to the team being a lot more dysfunctional than most will admit.[/QUOTE]

Hey, he's your problem now, but I don't know how you can be satisfied with the amount of shots he took in those final couple of playoff games.

To me he played passive and safe, almost as if he was trying to protect himself from getting injured or he was trying to stat chase higher efficiency or something.

I'd rather a sub 50% FG 25 points, than a neat and tidy 19 points with above 50% FG, because I know the former is likely leading to assists for other teammates, double teams, and heightened defensive attention.

But that's just me. No, it's not realistic to expect Butler to go inferno mode every night like he did on Miami throughout a series, but a game or two to get the team to the next round where Curry might be able to come back? Totally fair.

I mean why are we giving extra shots to Moody and Podz and not the 6th highest paid player in the NBA? WTF is he paid like a superstar for if he wants to only play at a fringe star level?