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The New York Celtics defeated the Rochester Centrals 21-18 in a basketball game held in New York on November 16, 1929.
This was the opening game of the Celtics' 1929-1930 season.
This took place an exceptionally long time ago.
you can go to any park and find more competitive players. the local la fitness has far better players.
[QUOTE=highwhey;15045411]you can go to any park and find more competitive players. the local la fitness has far better players.[/QUOTE]
It depends on which rules are played. A player in the park would not be able to proceed, they would get called for carry unless they dribble straight up and down, with their hand directly on top of the ball. That means no crossover. Most players in the park also suck, unable to even dribble with their left hand. That dribbling styles also requires faster, more dibbles per minute, and they would probably get the ball stolen very often. Forcing them to take like 2 dribbles max.
One of the comments mentioned that the balls had laces, thus an unpredictable bounce, so dribbling was discouraged back then.
Dribbling became more of a thing after 1938, when they didn't have to do a jump ball after every basket. Thus more fast break opportunities, making dribbling more important.
These players should be decent for the game, rules and plays they are running, since they should be very well practice for it. So while it might look goofy to us, it might be very polished. We just can't recognize it for what it is.
NBA players would still destroy them, though, even without taking a dribble. They should also still be better at dribbling with their hand directly on top of the ball, especially left handed. Just that they will be called for carry whenever muscle memory sneaks in.
Every player in that video is better than Bronny James.
[QUOTE=jstern;15045412]It depends on which rules are played. A player in the park would not be able to proceed, they would get called for carry unless they dribble straight up and down, with their hand directly on top of the ball. That means no crossover. Most players in the park also suck, unable to even dribble with their left hand. That dribbling styles also requires faster, more dibbles per minute, and they would probably get the ball stolen very often. Forcing them to take like 2 dribbles max.
One of the comments mentioned that the balls had laces, thus an unpredictable bounce, so dribbling was discouraged back then.
Dribbling became more of a thing after 1938, when they didn't have to do a jump ball after every basket. Thus more fast break opportunities, making dribbling more important.
These players should be decent for the game, rules and plays they are running, since they should be very well practice for it. So while it might look goofy to us, it might be very polished. We just can't recognize it for what it is.
NBA players would still destroy them, though, even without taking a dribble. They should also still be better at dribbling with their hand directly on top of the ball, especially left handed. Just that they will be called for carry whenever muscle memory sneaks in.[/QUOTE]
Great post. A lot of fans don't recognize the advances in rules, technology, medicine, and having video and history to reference.
I think most modern players would struggle. Playing with those basketballs and shoes, having no access to towel boys and all the modern amenities would be a steep adjustment.
[QUOTE=beasted;15045447]Great post. A lot of fans don't recognize the advances in rules, technology, medicine, and having video and history to reference.
I think most modern players would struggle. Playing with those basketballs and shoes, having no access to towel boys and all the modern amenities would be a steep adjustment.[/QUOTE]
excellent post. because people playing at the local park have access to waterboys. or they carry on every dribble. shows how much you guys play vs watch.
[QUOTE=highwhey;15045449]excellent post. because people playing at the local park have access to waterboys. or they carry on every dribble. shows how much you guys play vs watch.[/QUOTE]
I guess you couldn't comprehend my post.
[QUOTE=highwhey;15045449]excellent post. because people playing at the local park have access to waterboys. or they carry on every dribble. shows how much you guys play vs watch.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you get it. Sure after time and practice the modern player might be able to leverage their athletic dominance, but, initially they would be totally lost.
I mean, doesn't you think a professional racecar driver from 2025 if transported back in time to vehicles in 1929 would just immediately dominate too?
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the difference is knowledge and competition. the substrate in racing would obviously react differently to a much inferior suspension and braking power of a race car from 1929 compare to the most highly tech-advanced vehicles of today. i mean, a honda would be vastly superior to their vehicles lol. the double wish bone suspension, aka IFS, was invented in the 1930s:
[IMG]https://woodpeck.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Double_Wishbone_Suspension.jpg[/IMG]
very effective suspension set-up, simple but effective. quite simple to work on as well.
anyhow, you're attempt at the analogy fails bc substrate reaction is different than knowledge. the simple knowledge of modern hoopers would overwhelm 1929 ballers.
[QUOTE=highwhey;15045596]the difference is knowledge and competition. the substrate in racing would obviously react differently to a much inferior suspension and braking power of a race car from 1929 compare to the most highly tech-advanced vehicles of today. i mean, a honda would be vastly superior to their vehicles lol. the double wish bone suspension, aka IFS, was invented in the 1930s:
[IMG]https://woodpeck.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Double_Wishbone_Suspension.jpg[/IMG]
very effective suspension set-up, simple but effective. quite simple to work on as well.
anyhow, you're attempt at the analogy fails bc substrate reaction is different than knowledge. the simple knowledge of modern hoopers would overwhelm 1929 ballers.[/QUOTE]
No, you failed because you completely changed the analogy.
I'll put it in simpler terms:
Modern basketball player on old courts, basketballs, hoops, rules and referees = struggle
Modern racecar driver in old cars, brakes, suspension, engine, roads, rules and pit crew = struggle
The problem is that you're not realizing that your comparison is not putting the modern player in the classic environment, you're trying to take the modern player [I]along with all the modern advancements[/I] into the old environment.
Nba players having to wash their own clothes by hand and hang it out on a clothesline between games would in itself be too stiff an adjustment for probably a good 1/3rd of players.:lol
[QUOTE=beasted;15045588]I don't think you get it. Sure after time and practice the modern player might be able to leverage their athletic dominance, but, initially they would be totally lost.
I mean, doesn't you think a professional racecar driver from 2025 if transported back in time to vehicles in 1929 would just immediately dominate too?
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That entirely depends if they know how to operate stickshifts and whatever else old cars have. Power is nothing at all without skill.
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[QUOTE=Axe;15045622]That entirely depends if they know how to operate stickshifts and whatever else old cars have. Power is nothing at all without skill.
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Not surprised to see you in this thread.
How do you think Lebron23 would do in 1929?
I think prime Lebron23 would dominate, but he would get cooked in 1954. The game was much more advanced by then.
[video=youtube_share;xrSvm7vx8uk]https://youtu.be/xrSvm7vx8uk[/video]
[QUOTE=beasted;15045601]No, you failed because you completely changed the analogy.
I'll put it in simpler terms:
Modern basketball player on old courts, basketballs, hoops, rules and referees = struggle
Modern racecar driver in old cars, brakes, suspension, engine, roads, rules and pit crew = struggle
The problem is that you're not realizing that your comparison is not putting the modern player in the classic environment, you're trying to take the modern player [I]along with all the modern advancements[/I] into the old environment.
[B][SIZE=4]Nba players having to wash their own clothes by hand and hang it out on a clothesline between games would in itself be too stiff an adjustment for probably a good 1/3rd of players.[/SIZE][/B]:lol[/QUOTE]
So washing clothes would be the limiting factor? Very interesting. Reminds me of a poster that claimed the limiting factor of interstellar travel would be the mental bandwidth of the news of different space settlements.
Fun fact, it was a center jump at the center circle after every made basket back then. Among a litany of other rules that basically made the sport unrecognizable (and unplayable) to anyone familiar with today's game. Any modern footwork into a jumper or drive and you're gonna get called for any number of like 3 violations in just one possession.
[QUOTE=highwhey;15045634]So washing clothes would be the limiting factor? Very interesting. Reminds me of a poster that claimed the limiting factor of interstellar travel would be the mental bandwidth of the news of different space settlements.[/QUOTE]
You would be surprised how these things we take for granted affect a player who basically has everything done for them, even SATs and college homework. :lol
But seriously, as anorher small example how changes affect things, we've all hooped on indoor rims with a net then compared it to outdoor double rims with no net. Anyone who says that they shoot the same on both rims and there is no adjustment is lying.
Now imagine it's not just the rims being totally different, it's the backboard, the courts, the basketball, the rules, all at once, etc.
The other thing people take for granted is standardization. In current days, regulation size basketballs and hoops are a thing. Literally every court and equipment will differ from city to city in those olden times when precision measurements and tolerances were not common.
Anyone not believing all this would create significant struggle and a months long adjustment period is kidding themselves.
Ball movement was killer. Love seeing old footage like this. Give all these boys the 2025 rulebook and time to adjust and they'd all look great
[QUOTE=hiphopanonymous;15045636]Fun fact, it was a center jump at the center circle after every made basket back then. Among a litany of other rules that basically made the sport unrecognizable (and unplayable) to anyone familiar with today's game. Any modern footwork into a jumper or drive and you're gonna get called for any number of like 3 violations in just one possession.[/QUOTE]
I wonder what CavaliersFTW has to say about this.
And whatever happen to Jlauber?
[QUOTE=jstern;15046179]I wonder what CavaliersFTW has to say about this.
And whatever happen to Jlauber?[/QUOTE]
excellent point, i wonder what walkonwater has to say about you.