If Clippers blew it up, is there anyone you would even want?

They won't blow it up because tanking won't help since they owe all of their own picks.

But in an alternate reality where that wasn't true, I find it hard to believe anyone on their team has any value except for Zubac, and he's still somewhat challenging to build around as a big who doesn't shoot 3s and plays in a drop coverage.

Leonard is an always-injured diva with a meddling uncle and a radioactive status given the ongoing investigation

Harden is an old playoff choker likely wanting a final payday

Collins is an empty stats tank commander

Lopez and Batum are both extinct. CP3 is fossilized.

Bogdanovic is an oft-injured player on the wrong side off 30.

Derrick Jones Jr and Dunn are both solid pros with decent contracts, but DJJ is out for the next month plus and Dunn is a very streaky shooter.

Beal is out for the season, and a net negative when he plays.

This is one of the worst rosters in modern times from an individual player value perspective, for a team that had playoff hopes going into the season.

Kawhi, Collins, Dunn, Batum, Lopez, Zubac, Bojan, DJJ.

If you just wanted to say Beal, Harden and CP0 are a joke, we're with you there.

Dunn would help any team in league. Luka would love to have collins rim runnng. 3 level scorer. Double double guy. Im sure there is a need. Not sure why he and harden/paul arent doing anything?

[QUOTE=Proctor;15045431]Kawhi, Collins, Dunn, Batum, Lopez, Zubac, Bojan, DJJ.

If you just wanted to say Beal, Harden and CP0 are a joke, we're with you there.[/QUOTE]

I'm not suggesting every player in their roster is worthless overpaid scrubs. But, I am asking you to be realistic and tell me what these guy's values are.

Because the Clippers have no picks, the only way to dig their way out of their current mess is to trade.

So, the question is: if they're making everyone available what are those guys who you mentioned have value even worth?

Batum, Lopez, given their age, maybe a 2nd rounder and an expiring contract to a contender.

Bojan, he'd likely be traded for a fit/roster need replacement role player (ex, trading guard for big, etc.) and if you're lucky a 2nd. DJJ and Dunn would be more or less the same as Bogi. Maybe DJJ nets you two 2nds if a contender is desperate enough.

Collins on an expiring contract is not a sought after player. It's likely wherever he signs next will be for something close to the full non-tax MLE (~$14.2M). So there's no need to obtain his rights unless you're tax locked. I can't see any realistic scenario where he is worth a 1st without receiving a bad contract in return. So, with that said, it's a 2nd round pick or two at best.

Zubac is definitely a player you can trade and maybe even get a young player and a pick in return. He's the most valuable in my opinion from an individual level of ease.

Kawhi and Harden while super talented are land mines in a trade scenario. It's hard to peg what their value would be. I mentioned a lot about Kawhi already, but a compounding factor is he likely doesn't want to leave California or the close proximity. He has two rings and nothing else to gain.

Harden is an expiring contract and a player who asked for trades from the last 3 teams. You would have to be certain he wants to stay before trading for him, and likely need to try and convince him to opt in.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15045434]Dunn would help any team in league. Luka would love to have collins rim runnng. 3 level scorer. Double double guy. Im sure there is a need. Not sure why he and harden/paul arent doing anything?[/QUOTE]

Collins isn't making much noise because he's a black hole that doesn't pass and can't defend.

Dunn is a solid pro, but not worth much in a trade.

I do wonder if the knicks would give up Anunoby for Leonard. The trade may not be possible due to second apron rules but if they did it they could still have enough talent to load manage Leonard to just a 30 game season while making the playoffs comfortably. Then once they're in the playoffs that would be a lot of talent to deal with and Leonard is also capable of defending any elite wing they come across.

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green;15045456]I do wonder if the knicks would give up Anunoby for Leonard. The trade may not be possible due to second apron rules but if they did it they could still have enough talent to load manage Leonard to just a 30 game season while making the playoffs comfortably. Then once they're in the playoffs that would be a lot of talent to deal with and Leonard is also capable of defending any elite wing they come across.[/QUOTE]

Kawhi effectively has a no trade clause in the form of his bad knees. If doesn't want to play for a team, he can always feign injury like he did with the Spurs in the final months.

That said, I'm not sure he wants to play in the polar opposite coast of the US in a cold city. I get the impression he would let the Knicks know through back channels he doesn't want to be traded there.

From a Clippers perspective, they would probably want 2-3 FRPs included in that swap but would otherwise be happy with that trade. They get a player who is re-flippable and is the ultimate glue guy if they want to keep him.

[QUOTE=beasted;15045446]Collins isn't making much noise because he's a black hole that doesn't pass and can't defend.

Dunn is a solid pro, but not worth much in a trade.[/QUOTE]

Collins play making was improving last year and he tries to defend.

Dunn is a great defender, can get to the hole, make plays for others and hit open shots from a couple positions. Be an asset for any team.

Elton Brand or Sam Cassell.

The Celtics would gladly take Zubac.

[QUOTE=Wally450;15045499]The Celtics would gladly take Zubac.[/QUOTE]

If they can cut salary. I imagine they will be looking to get out of the tax

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15045494]Collins play making was improving last year and he tries to defend.

Dunn is a great defender, can get to the hole, make plays for others and hit open shots from a couple positions. Be an asset for any team.[/QUOTE]

He has averaged more turnovers than assists nearly every year of his career. Also, 2 assists (matching his career high) is what you call an improvement? He averaged 2.6 turnovers to boot (a new career high). :facepalm

[QUOTE=beasted;15045506]He has averaged more turnovers than assists nearly every year of his career. Also, 2 assists (matching his career high) is what you call an improvement? He averaged 2.6 turnovers to boot (a new career high). :facepalm[/QUOTE]

Its amazing how he loves Dunn for his defense but hates Jason Kidd for his offense even though Kidds offensive game blow dunns out the water and obviously was a more impactful defender :lol :facepalm

I really cant comprehend the incongruency. He hated Ricky Rubio too who was a very good defender and way better floor general than Dunn.

[QUOTE=beasted;15045506]He has averaged more turnovers than assists nearly every year of his career. Also, 2 assists (matching his career high) is what you call an improvement? He averaged 2.6 turnovers to boot (a new career high). :facepalm[/QUOTE]

Dont know the numbers. Just what i saw. Was one of the best players on a crappy team

[QUOTE=tpols;15045509]Its amazing how he loves Dunn for his defense but hates Jason Kidd for his offense even though Kidds offensive game blow dunns out the water and obviously was a more impactful defender :lol :facepalm

I really cant comprehend the incongruency. He hated Ricky Rubio too who was a very good defender and way better floor general than Dunn.[/QUOTE]

Dunn was out of league because he couldnt shoot. Now he can hit an oprn 3. A true pass first pg that has adapted to the modern game. What isnt to love? Shooting underc40% while taking the most shots on your team is not acceptable to me. Get over it. Not sure kidd was a better defender. Dunn is elite in a league where tou cant touch the opponent. If rubio came off the bench i might have liked him. Sadly he started. Couldnt throw a lob, couldnt shoot while pkaying behind the offensive player going for steals. He made some of the most what the **** are you thinking passes ive ever seen. High on energy. Low on bb iq and skills.

[QUOTE=tpols;15045509]Its amazing how he loves Dunn for his defense but hates Jason Kidd for his offense even though Kidds offensive game blow dunns out the water and obviously was a more impactful defender :lol :facepalm

I really cant comprehend the incongruency. He hated Ricky Rubio too who was a very good defender and way better floor general than Dunn.[/QUOTE]

I agree completely about the inconsistency. Also, Dunn is not "great" defensively. That's a total overstatement.

[QUOTE=beasted;15045520]I agree completely about the inconsistency. Also, Dunn is not "great" defensively. That's a total overstatement.[/QUOTE]

What inconsistencies? I have cated about efficiency even when it wasnt a thing.

Kris Dunn is considered an excellent defensive guard, renowned for his on-ball and off-ball defense, quick hands, and ability to generate turnovers. He is a disruptive force in the backcourt, capable of guarding both smaller guards and bigger players, and has consistently ranked highly in various advanced defensive metrics and categories like steal percentage. His defensive effort often sets the tone for his team and has been described as a "lockdown" and "elite" skill.

[QUOTE=beasted;15045520]I agree completely about the inconsistency. [B]Also, Dunn is not "great" defensively. That's a total overstatement.[/B][/QUOTE]

:biggums:

"Great" is reserved for players making defensive teams and getting DPOY votes. At the minimum, it's a label that should be used to distinguish renowned players that 10+ years down the line will be remembered as one of the standouts from the period defensively even if they didn't really win a lot of awards (ex: Majerle).

10 years from now, nobody will remember Dunn except the hardcore player fans. They will remember Jrue, Smart, White, Caruso, KCP, etc. Dunn would be the last name to come to mind amongst guards.

Kris Dunn did not qualify for an All-Defensive team in the most recent season because he did not meet the new NBA requirements, specifically playing over 20 minutes in at least 55 games. Despite his elite defensive performance and high advanced statistics, he played in 52 games with 20 or more minutes.

He is elite. Watch him play and tell me otherwise.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15045555]Kris Dunn did not qualify for an All-Defensive team in the most recent season because he did not meet the new NBA requirements, specifically playing over 20 minutes in at least 55 games. Despite his elite defensive performance and high advanced statistics, he played in 52 games with 20 or more minutes.

He is elite. Watch him play and tell me otherwise.[/QUOTE]


Yea but you didnt care about that when Kidd and Rubio did it.

Derrick Jones Jr. Still only 28, super atheletic, decent defender, slightly above average three point shooter, has gotten better each the last four seasons. Averaging 11 PPG on 53/35/79 splits is pretty decent for a wing.

[QUOTE=tpols;15045561]Yea but you didnt care about that when Kidd and Rubio did it.[/QUOTE]

Why would i care about guys that think they can shoot but cant or are a spaz that cant throw a lob or stay in front of an offensive player?

[QUOTE=Meticode;15045563]Derrick Jones Jr. Still only 28, super atheletic, decent defender, slightly above average three point shooter, has gotten better each the last four seasons. Averaging 11 PPG on 53/35/79 splits is pretty decent for a wing.[/QUOTE]

35 from 3 sucks in 2025

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15045555]Kris Dunn did not qualify for an All-Defensive team in the most recent season because he did not meet the new NBA requirements, specifically playing over 20 minutes in at least 55 games. Despite his elite defensive performance and high advanced statistics, he played in 52 games with 20 or more minutes.

He is elite. Watch him play and tell me otherwise.[/QUOTE]

I've watched him a lot, he's not "great". Is Davion Mitchell "great"?

I think they're both just good hard-nosed defenders, but I will not remember them.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15045566]35 from 3 sucks in 2025[/QUOTE]

35% from 3 is equal to 52.5% from 2PT from an Effective Field Goal Percentage standpoint. I don't know anyone who would say a player who makes that high from 2PT "sucks".

[QUOTE=beasted;15045572]I've watched him a lot, he's not "great". Is Davion Mitchell "great"?

I think they're both just good hard-nosed defenders, but I will not remember them.



35% from 3 is equal to 52.5% from 2PT from an Effective Field Goal Percentage standpoint. I don't know anyone who would say a player who makes that high from 2PT "sucks".[/QUOTE]

Below league average and it isnt that simple. Long rebounds off missed 3s steat fast breaks for the other team

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15045578]Below league average and it isnt that simple. Long rebounds off missed 3s steat fast breaks for the other team[/QUOTE]

League average is 35.9% this year, last year it was 35.8%. You're making no sense, just yapping.

[QUOTE=beasted;15045581]League average is 35.9% this year, last year it was 35.8%. You're making no sense, just yapping.[/QUOTE]

Which is below average.

[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You;15045592]Which is below average.[/QUOTE]

My bad. I was confused by the fact that you think Sabonis' current 20% 3PT% (career 34%) reflects his awesome ability to space the floor.

Over 37 % the past 3 seasons. Playmaking big that can shoot and score at the rim. many ways to spread the floor. Maybe we should look back at his college days at gonzaga wgile were at it?

Law Murray: Statement provided to @TheAthletic from the LA Clippers: We are parting ways with Chris and he will no longer be with the team. We will work with him on the next step of his career. Chris is a legendary Clipper who has had a historic career. I want to make one thing very clear. No one is blaming Chris for our underperformance. I accept responsibility for the record we have right now. There are a lot of reasons why we’ve struggled. We’re grateful for the impact Chris has made on the franchise.

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Tim Bontemps: Some sources have indicated that the Clippers could try to move up their free agency timeline from the 2027 offseason to next summer, which would require finding trade partners with cap room to take on James Harden ($42 million player option for 2026-27) and Leonard (owed $50 million in 2026-27). The feedback from league insiders has been that, while a team would take on Harden, it may be more difficult to find a landing spot for Leonard because of his injury and the Aspiration case still ongoing. "James has maybe neutral value," an East scout said. "Kawhi Leonard has negative value."

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Probably zubac and collins. At least they're not that old yet.

[QUOTE=beasted;15045581]You're making no sense, just yapping.[/QUOTE]
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Dunn absolutely defend his ass off at times and has shot about 36% from three over the last three years. You don’t need to be a sniper for teens to want you. I don’t think there’s a team in the entire NBA they wouldn’t take him and he’s one of the lesser players you mentioned.

The way people talk you would think the NBA only had 100 people in it. It doesn’t matter what people doing imaginary team building on the Internet think about somebody like Harden. He’s always gonna have a spot. Same with just about all of those guys.

If my team was limited to people I want on it there would rarely be more than five people on the bulls.

I wouldn’t want to build my entire franchise around any of them with the expectation of winning a championship next year, but that isn’t the way it works in the real world.

On ish their are superstars scrubs and projects

The Athletic’s Law Murray: Derrick Jones is a 2027 free agent. Kawhi, 2027. James can be a free agent in 2026. There's a bunch of team options. Nico Batum, Brook Lopez, Bogdan Bogdanovic… John Collins is on an expiring. Bradley Beal has a player option, but also has a hip injury that is, as far as I'm concerned, career altering.

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[QUOTE=Kblaze8855;15046118]Dunn absolutely defend his ass off at times and has shot about 36% from three over the last three years. You don’t need to be a sniper for teens to want you. I don’t think there’s a team in the entire NBA they wouldn’t take him and he’s one of the lesser players you mentioned.

The way people talk you would think the NBA only had 100 people in it. It doesn’t matter what people doing imaginary team building on the Internet think about somebody like Harden. He’s always gonna have a spot. Same with just about all of those guys.

If my team was limited to people I want on it there would rarely be more than five people on the bulls.

I wouldn’t want to build my entire franchise around any of them with the expectation of winning a championship next year, but that isn’t the way it works in the real world.[/QUOTE]

Maybe the context of my original question was unclear, so I'll try again

What players can they trade that helps them turn things around? IMO, I think Dunn gets you a 2nd, possibly 2 for a really desperate team and an expiring contract. No chance you can trade him for a player in a rookie contract with significant upside. Same for DJJ, a 2nd or possibly 2 for desperate team.

Zubac might have the highest value for an exchange perspective of what you could turn him into.

Collins as an expiring might be a couple 2nds at best and another expiring.

Harden might net a 1st for an expiring contract of an overpaid bad player (IE: a Rozier plus filler and a 1st might get you there), but will not net you a younger all-star (IE: Harden for Sabonis).

Kawhi is extremely volatile and has a negative value. Bogi due to his injury history is also probably a negative.

Batum, Lopez, and others on the roster can only be traded for an underachieving player on a rookie salary or a 2nd at best.