Based on skill-set/performance. Prime only.
1. MJ
2. KD
3. Jokic
4. Kobe
5. Lebron
6. Kareem
7. Shaq
8. Curry
9. Dirk
10. Karl Malone
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Based on skill-set/performance. Prime only.
1. MJ
2. KD
3. Jokic
4. Kobe
5. Lebron
6. Kareem
7. Shaq
8. Curry
9. Dirk
10. Karl Malone
Down 1, 8 seconds on the clock I would much rather go to Olajuwon than Malone.
What does based on skill set mean? I don't understand.
Explain it to me in the context of Curry, Dirk and Malone being better than Baylor and Wilt.
What a weird list. No Wilt on it, who's second only to Jordan? And Jokic, who's never even won a scoring title as #3? And Lebron ahead of Shaq? Really?
Replace Karl & Dirk with Gervin & Harden.
Wilt has to be on the list too, not nearly as skilled as someone like Kareem, but he still produced.
Is this like who do you go to when you absolutely need at bucket? If so yea MJ is still #1 and KD, Bird, Dirk, and Kobe would probably round out top 5.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15046370]Is this like who do you go to when you absolutely need at bucket? If so yea MJ is still #1 and KD, Bird, Dirk, and Kobe would probably round out top 5.[/QUOTE]
Jokic over Bird and Kobe easy man. Are you serious? Jokic is extremely clutch and is an elite scorer from every single spot on the floor.
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;15046334]Based on skill-set/performance. Prime only.
1. MJ
2. KD
[B]3. Jokic
[/B]4. Kobe
5. Lebron
6. Kareem
7. Shaq
8. Curry
9. Dirk
10. Karl Malone[/QUOTE]
imagine :roll:
[QUOTE=Mask the Embiid;15046392]imagine :roll:[/QUOTE]
Jokic has the highest TS% of all time and he legit is factually elite at scoring on all parts of the floor. The stats factually show this and the eye test is obvious.
I'll take Wilt would and could under most any context outscore all of them for 400
While he's far from being invincible, joker does stand out as a scorer nowadays due to his versatility.
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Are you really going to post that image/gif in every single thread? That's unreal :lol
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;15046385]Jokic over Bird and Kobe easy man. Are you serious? Jokic is extremely clutch and is an elite scorer from every single spot on the floor.[/QUOTE]
Do you know nothing about Larry Bird? I mean I wasn't alive in the 80s either but I've watched a ton of Celtics games from that time and generally have done my research.
Bird was automatic in the clutch.
[QUOTE=ShawkFactory;15046413]Do you know nothing about Larry Bird? I mean I wasn't alive in the 80s either but I've watched a ton of Celtics games from that time and generally have done my research.
Bird was automatic in the clutch.[/QUOTE]
Jokic is automatic in the clutch.
[QUOTE=StrongLurk;15046429]Jokic is automatic in the clutch.[/QUOTE]
Lol, huh? Did we watch the same playoffs last year? :oldlol:
If you body Joker away from the basket where he can't just back you down, he's extremely limited in what he can do. He's too slow and too awkward and can't beat his man off the dribble. Alex Caruso all but locked his ass up and forced him to pass out of those spots. It's why the team played through Murray in those situations and not Joker. They RELY on that two man game because Joker isn't the automatic bucket you think he is.
He's not even in the same discussion as Bird. Bird could face you up and get a clean shot off anytime he wanted.
I really don't know what to make out of the criteria for this list so Im not gonna fuss over the names or the order, except to say I'd take Barkley ove Malone peak for peak as a scorer. Which is not to say Barkley should be slotted into the 10th spot, but for me hes ahead of Malone however this is being measured. And, I was acutely tuned into the NBA in 94 and 95. I saw Hakeem's run and yeah....I feel like he warrants a mention here.
Remove both [B]Jokic[/B] and [B]Shaq[/B] from this list.
If this is about [B]scoring skill-set[/B], neither ranked in that regard. Both used their weight to knock their defender out of the way and get an open look. That is not skill.
If you look strictly based on performance, and not skill-set, they can be included.
[QUOTE=bdonovan;15046793]Remove both [B]Jokic[/B] and [B]Shaq[/B] from this list.
If this is about [B]scoring skill-set[/B], neither ranked in that regard. Both used their weight to knock their defender out of the way and get an open look. That is not skill.
If you look strictly based on performance, and not skill-set, they can be included.[/QUOTE]
It's based on both.
Jokic is one of the best shooters of all time and one of the best post players of all time. He is elite everywhere, basically a bigger version of Larry Bird...so of course Jokic is on here.
Jokic is at like 28ppg on 61 TS% for his playoff career, which is almost 100 games deep.
Kobe is too high
At the end of the day efficiency matters and guys like Curry & LeBron match Kobe in terms of scoring volume at way higher efficiency
Jordan spent half of his career being defended by your local car mechanic, he's not number one but this forum is full of nostalgia old heads who think MJ would average 50 today so I'm not even going to bother :facepalm
[QUOTE=Phoenix;15046457]I really don't know what to make out of the criteria for this list so Im not gonna fuss over the names or the order, except to say I'd take Barkley ove Malone peak for peak as a scorer. Which is not to say Barkley should be slotted into the 10th spot, but for me hes ahead of Malone however this is being measured. And, I was acutely tuned into the NBA in 94 and 95. I saw Hakeem's run and yeah....I feel like he warrants a mention here.[/QUOTE]
People think Hakeem's '94 and '95 seasons were all that he had to his prime. The reality is that from 1986-95, Hakeem put up 29 PPG on 53% FG% in the playoffs. If we're talking about skill and scoring, then he has to be up there.
[QUOTE=HoopsNY;15046941]People think Hakeem's '94 and '95 seasons were all that he had to his prime. The reality is that from 1986-95, Hakeem put up 29 PPG on 53% FG% in the playoffs. If we're talking about skill and scoring, then he has to be up there.[/QUOTE]
Well I certainly know there was more to his prime than those two seasons, but I specified 94 and 95 mainly because of the gauntlet of talent he faced enroute to winning those titles and the numbers he dropped. He basically went through the 2nd, 3rd and 4th best players at his own position during that run.
In my opinion...
1. Wilt Chamberlain
2. Michael Jordan
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Lebron James
5. Jerry West
6. George Gervin
7. Steph Curry
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Allen Iverson
10. Kevin Durant
Delusional :facepalm
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The original a.d was better than karl malone and taught him much of what he knew