How can you watch someone lose over and over and then say they're the best ever?

You watch him lose in the 1st Round with Luka, and it's like "yup, losing in the 1st Round with the best help in the league is the best I've ever seen"

You watch him GET TAUGHT A LESSON in brand of ball during the 14' Finals embarrassment - you watch him QUIT mid-series - "yup, that's the best I've ever seen"

You watch him melt down in 2010 and 2011 Playoffs.. You watch him get destroyed by the Nuggets over and over.. Lebon is 17-36 in the playoffs versus the Nuggets, Spurs and Warriors, while also getting upset by three 1-star teams (Mavs, Magic, TWolves) - he never avenged these upset losses.

You watch him lose over and over with all-star teammates and preseason favorite super-teams, yet he's the best ever?.. gtfo... you've simply been defrauded by the media and now you're in denial, aka "he needs more help"... you bron fans are an impressionable bunch

have you been to therapy?

[QUOTE=highwhey;15047158]have you been to therapy?[/QUOTE]


dumb deflection.. answer the question - how can a perennial loser be the best ever?

Lebon is 17-36 in the playoffs versus the Nuggets, Spurs and Warriors, while also getting upset by three 1-star teams (Mavs, Magic, TWolves) - he never avenged these losses.

Yeah, it would be one thing if Lebron was getting beaten by superteams, but he's lost repeatedly as the FAVORITE. And it's not just that he's lost, we've seen him choke over and over again.

It really does say something about Bronie fluffers, the way the respect losing and choking.

[QUOTE=3ba11;15047159]dumb deflection.. answer the question - how can a perennial loser be the best ever?

Lebon is 17-36 in the playoffs versus the Nuggets, Spurs and Warriors, while also getting upset by three 1-star teams (Mavs, Magic, TWolves) - he never avenged these losses.[/QUOTE]

so, tell me about your childhood.

Bro, Russell is the only goat that didn't lose more than he won. What are you even talking about? Where did he touch you? Thats the only logical explanation for this stupid shit.

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15047190][B]Bro, Russell is the only goat that didn't lose more than he won. [/B]What are you even talking about? Where did he touch you? Thats the only logical explanation for this stupid shit.[/QUOTE]


Wow, that's some serious dumbness right there. :roll:


Since I'm always educating Bronie fluffers, I'll go ahead and educate you. [B]Jordan WON 30 out of 37 playoff series.
[/B]

For the math challenged amongst us, that's an 81% win rate.

Oh, and he also had a 100% finals win rate. All of Jordan's playoff losses were early in his career (Except for the '95 loss to Orlando).

Lebron, on the other hand, has lost throughout his entire career. Beginning, middle, and end.

[QUOTE=Full Court;15047191]Wow, that's some serious dumbness right there. :roll:


Since I'm always educating Bronie fluffers, I'll go ahead and educate you. [B]Jordan WON 30 out of 37 playoff series.
[/B]

For the math challenged amongst us, that's an 81% win rate.

Oh, and he also had a 100% finals win rate. All of Jordan's playoff losses were early in his career (Except for the '95 loss to Orlando).

Lebron, on the other hand, has lost throughout his entire career. Beginning, middle, and end.[/QUOTE]

Jordan played 15 seasons. He won six championships. He lost more than he won.

Russell won 11 of 13 seasons. He won 27 of the 29 playoff series he was in. For the math challenged, that’s a 93% win rate.

Mikan won 5 of 7 seasons.

In terms of winning championships, there are no other players that compare to them. (And yes, Jordan is probably the best player ever.)

[QUOTE=Duffy Pratt;15047195]Jordan played 15 seasons. He won six championships. He lost more than he won.

Russell won 11 of 13 seasons.

Mikan won 5 of 7 seasons.

In terms of winning championships, there are no other players that compare to them. (And yes, Jordan is probably the best player ever.)[/QUOTE]

Exactly.

Resentment is like drinking poison and then hoping it will kill your enemies.

[QUOTE=Duffy Pratt;15047195]Jordan played 15 seasons. He won six championships. He lost more than he won.

Russell won 11 of 13 seasons. He won 27 of the 29 playoff series he was in. For the math challenged, that’s a 93% win rate.

Mikan won 5 of 7 seasons.

In terms of winning championships, there are no other players that compare to them. (And yes, Jordan is probably the best player ever.)[/QUOTE]

The fact that Full Court couldn't figure this out is not surprising.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15047256]The fact that Full Court couldn't figure this out is not surprising.[/QUOTE]

Wow, I know Bronie fluffers are inherently dumb, but you can't even grasp 3rd grade level math. :lol

Jordan won 30 out of 37 playoff series.

Bronie fluffers: "He lost more than he won!!! :cry:"

Pure desperation and stupidity. :roll:

[QUOTE=bdonovan;15047254]Resentment is like drinking poison and then hoping it will kill your enemies.[/QUOTE]

:oldlol: so true.

[QUOTE=Full Court;15047263]Wow, I know Bronie fluffers are inherently dumb, but you can't even grasp 3rd grade level math. :lol

Jordan won 30 out of 37 playoff series.

Bronie fluffers: "He lost more than he won!!! :cry:"

Pure desperation and stupidity. :roll:[/QUOTE]

Yeah and Jordan played 15 seasons and only hoisted the trophy 6 times. What the hell happened those other seasons? If you want to count progress rather than end result i'm sure youd be impressed by making the finals 10 times in 23 seasons or even better 10 times in a 14 year stretch. 8 straight etc etc....

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15047269]Yeah and Jordan played 15 seasons and only hoisted the trophy 6 times. What the hell happened those other seasons? If you want to count progress rather than end result i'm sure youd be impressed by making the finals 10 times in 23 seasons or even better 10 times in a 14 year stretch. 8 straight etc etc....[/QUOTE]


Lebron has a bunch of bad losses with star teammates, while Jordan doesn't

Once Jordan got an all-star, he was unbeatable, while Lebron is 4-8 in seasons with an all-star teammate, or 4-4 with preseason favorites, or 4-5 with 1 or 2 seeds, or 4-6 with Finals teams. Jordan is undefeated in all these scenarios, except 6-2 with all-star teammates

Lebron went 1 for 6 with AD, or 1 for 4 with Love and also Wade (except the Allen miracle) - MJ went 6 for 9 with just Pippen... Ultimately, regardless of who we put around Lebron, he can't 3-peat, 70 wins or dynasty, aka objectively inferior to MJ

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15047269]Yeah and Jordan played 15 seasons and only hoisted the trophy 6 times. What the hell happened those other seasons? If you want to count progress rather than end result i'm sure youd be impressed by making the finals 10 times in 23 seasons or even better 10 times in a 14 year stretch. 8 straight etc etc....[/QUOTE]

Destroyed

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;15047293]Destroyed[/QUOTE]

Dudley desperate for ways to cope now that his hero is in the twilight of a career characterized mostly by losing. With the most help of any star in history no less. :lol

:lebronamazed:

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[B] Thread Cliffs [/B]


Once Jordan got help, he didn't lose, while Lebron was a perennial loser with great rosters

[QUOTE=3ba11;15047375].
[B] Thread Cliffs [/B]


Once Jordan got help, he didn't lose, while Lebron was a perennial loser with great rosters[/QUOTE]

Lets focus on the meat of your "thread cliffs"

[QUOTE=3ba11;15047375].[B][I]Once Jordan got help[/I][/B][/QUOTE]

Its kinda weird that Mj is the only goat or truly revered player that gets his failures excused like this. The years before Pippen was a perenial all nba, allstar caliber player? doesn't count. The comeback season without a strong frontcourt player? doesn't count. The wizards seasons in the worst east of all time? Doesn't count. If it doesn't count anytime you fail without great help, then everyone's the ****ing goat.:oldlol: This was always the weakest apsect of MJ's goat case. Focusing on every other players failure while simultaneously trying to hide his.

[QUOTE=3ba11;15047375].
[B] Thread Cliffs [/B]


Jordan lost more than he won, but let's not talk about that[/QUOTE]
Corrected

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15047403]Lets focus on the meat of your "thread cliffs"



Its kinda weird that Mj is the only goat or truly revered player that gets his failures excused like this. The years before Pippen was a perenial all nba, allstar caliber player? doesn't count. The comeback season without a strong frontcourt player? doesn't count. The wizards seasons in the worst east of all time? Doesn't count. If it doesn't count anytime you fail without great help, then everyone's the ****ing goat.:oldlol: This was always the weakest apsect of MJ's goat case. Focusing on every other players failure while simultaneously trying to hide his.


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The facts:



[Indent][U]All-Star Teammates[/U]

Jordan...... 6-2
Lebron...... 4-8


[U]Preseason Favorites [/U]

Jordan...... 6-0
Lebron...... 4-4


[U]1 or 2 seeds[/U]

Jordan..... 6-0
Lebron..... 4-5


[U]Finals Teams [/U]

Jordan..... 6-0
Lebron..... 4-6[/indent]



Jordan was basically undefeated when he got help, while Lebron mostly lost, in part because he dominated much less (barely scraping 25 ppg most seasons or series)

Times lost in the first round

Mikey 2x
LeBron 0

Quit the NBA

Mikey 3x
LeBron 0

[QUOTE=Hey Yo;15047419]Times lost in the first round

Mikey 2x
LeBron 0

Quit the NBA

Mikey 3x
LeBron 0[/QUOTE]
Huh? Bro, LeBron's lost in the first round 3 of the last 5 years :lol

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;15047420]Huh? Bro, LeBron's lost in the first round 3 of the last 5 years :lol[/QUOTE]

Guys that are still on here stopped watching basketball long time ago

Most real ball fans know MJ is the GOAT. He didnt need to be manufactured in media... organically backed up his brand. If anything Nike made him look like a goody two shoes but he was actually a bad guy. :lol

[QUOTE=3ba11;15047415]The facts:



[Indent][U]All-Star Teammates[/U]

Jordan...... 6-2
Lebron...... 4-8


[U]Preseason Favorites [/U]

Jordan...... 6-0
Lebron...... 4-4


[U]1 or 2 seeds[/U]

Jordan..... 6-0
Lebron..... 4-5


[U]Finals Teams [/U]

Jordan..... 6-0
Lebron..... 4-6[/indent]



Jordan was basically undefeated when he got help, while Lebron mostly lost, in part because he dominated much less (barely scraping 25 ppg most seasons or series)[/QUOTE]

Now go look at how many seasons each had a teammate make all nba or all defense next to them. And how many seasons they had a teammate finish in the top 10 for mvp voting alongside them and get back to me with the "facts".......

[QUOTE=sdot_thadon;15047443]Now go look at how many seasons each had a teammate make all nba or all defense next to them. And how many seasons they had a teammate finish in the top 10 for mvp voting alongside them and get back to me with the "facts".......[/QUOTE]


Unlike 1st options, 2nd options don't make All-NBA with losing teams..

They need winning spotlight to make All-NBA..

Guys like Klay, Pippen, Parker, Pau, Dumars, Manu, Worthy and other 2nd options needed titles to start getting All-NBA, and 2nd options in general need winning teams to get All-NBA. the exception might be shot blockers like Gobert or Dikembe.

So who cares about the opinion of Skip Bayless and Rachel Nichols (media awards).. It's common knowledge that Lebron had 2 Pippens with Wade/Bosh, yet he barely got a win over babies and a teammate bailout, which were sandwiched between the goat choke and record loss - it's the shakiest 2 for 4 ever, and it's the worst anyone could do with Wade/Bosh... Then he went 1 for 4 with Love or AD.. So he's a perennial loser when he got help, while MJ was a perennial winner once he got help

[QUOTE=tpols;15047438]Most real ball fans know MJ is the GOAT. He didnt need to be manufactured in media... organically backed up his brand. If anything Nike made him look like a goody two shoes but he was actually a bad guy. :lol[/QUOTE]

Id imagine im a bigger MJ fan than you'll ever be lol. And once I got to adulthood id say if Lebron's career is manufactured, MJ's was the test run or the blueprint. We just didn’t get to see how the soup was cooked with him so to speak.

[QUOTE=3ba11;15047446][B]Unlike 1st options, 2nd options don't make All-NBA with losing teams.[/B].

They need winning spotlight to make All-NBA..

Guys like Klay, Pippen, Parker, Pau, Dumars, Manu, Worthy and other 2nd options needed titles to start getting All-NBA, and 2nd options in general need winning teams to get All-NBA. the exception might be shot blockers like Gobert or Dikembe.

So who cares about the opinion of Skip Bayless and Rachel Nichols (media awards).. It's common knowledge that Lebron had 2 Pippens with Wade/Bosh, yet he barely got a win over babies and a teammate bailout, which were sandwiched between the goat choke and record loss - it's the shakiest 2 for 4 ever, and it's the worst anyone could do with Wade/Bosh... Then he went 1 for 4 with Love or AD.. So he's a perennial loser when he got help, while MJ was a perennial winner once he got help[/QUOTE]

Well yea...

Ordinarily if a guy is good enough to be all-nba, and he is NOT the best player on the team, then that probably isn't going to be a losing team.

Quitting for two years is kind of the worst form of losing, if you think about it.