let me think about the "now" thugs...
all time: dennis awtrey
what think you?
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let me think about the "now" thugs...
all time: dennis awtrey
what think you?
Iverson.
Kicking his wife out the house while she's buttnaked.
Running into somebody house wavin a gun to get his wife back.
+ All the tattoos
+ his du-rags//tattoos//chains//clothes
Iverson isn't a thug in any way shape or form. He's just a wannabe!
Someone like Kenyon Martin or Bill Laimbeer will qualify as one.
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Now, that's what thuggish bullies do. Giving a fellow player a wedgie!
[QUOTE=Young HkM]Iverson.
Kicking his wife out the house while she's buttnaked.
Running into somebody house wavin a gun to get his wife back.
+ All the tattoos
+ his du-rags//tattoos//chains//clothes[/QUOTE]
You don't even know what happened with this.
What makes AI a thug? Does wearing expensive clothes and having tattoos make you a thug? I really don't think so. Just because AI is true to his roots some people label this thuggish behavior.
I really don't think that makes you a thug.
[QUOTE]Now, that's what thuggish bullies do. Giving a fellow player a wedgie[/QUOTE]
True that.
[QUOTE=Heelcrazy2]You don't even know what happened with this.
[B]
What makes AI a thug?[/B] Does wearing expensive clothes and having tattoos make you a thug? I really don't think so. Just because AI is true to his roots some people label this thuggish behavior.
I really don't think that makes you a thug.[/QUOTE]
[quote]1993
A highly publicized incident that almost jeopardized his college career involved in a racially-charged fight at a Hampton, Virginia bowling alley. On February 14, 1993, Iverson and several of his friends became involved in a racially-charged altercation with a group of white teenagers. During the fight, Iverson was accused of attacking a woman and hitting her in the head with a chair. He, along with three of his friends, also black, were the only ones arrested in the incident. Iverson, 17 years of age at the time, was convicted as an adult of the felony charge of "maiming-by-mob" and received a 15-year prison sentence (10 years suspended).
This incident was profiled on the television newsmagazine 60 Minutes due to claims of racial bias in the adjudication of the case. L. Douglas Wilder, at the time Governor of Virginia, became convinced that Iverson had been treated unfairly and controversially granted Iverson clemency, releasing him from his sentence. Iverson's conviction was later overturned on appeal.
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1997
Iverson was arrested for carrying a concealed weapon and for possession of marijuana. He pleaded no contest and was sentenced to community service.
2002
Iverson allegedy threw his wife Tawanna out of the mansion during a fight. The following night, an enraged Iverson later went looking for his wife at his cousin's apartment. His cousin wouldn't let him in(Iverson was the one who paid the rent for the house).According to the police report, Iverson repeatedly threatened to kill his cousin Charles Jones and Jones's roommate while showing them a semiautomatic gun. Iverson was arrested and charged with 14 different counts. All charges were ultimately dropped after conflicting testimonies from witnesses.
2004
During the latter part of the 2003-2004 season, Iverson bristled under the disciplinarian approach of the Sixers' new head coach Chris Ford. This led to a number of contentious incidents, including Iverson being suspended for missing practice, fined for failing to notify Ford that Iverson would not attend a game because he was sick, and refusing to play in game because he felt "insulted" that Ford wanted Iverson to come off the bench as he worked his way back from an injury.[4]
On February 24, 2004, Iverson, a noted regular casino patron, was spotted at Bally's Park Place in Atlantic City urinating in a trash can in full view of staff and patrons. He was told by casino management not to return.[5]
When the 2004 United States Olympic team gathered in Jacksonville, Fla., for its first exhibition game, Allen Iverson was late. He was suspended for the game.[6]
2005
On December 9, 2005 after the Sixers defeated the Charlotte Bobcats, Iverson paid a late-night visit to the Trump Taj Mahal. After winning a hand at a three-card-stud poker table, Iverson was overpaid $10,000 in chips by a dealer. When the dealer quickly realized the mistake and requested the chips back, Iverson refused and a heated head-turning argument between him and casino staff began. Atlantic City casino regulations reportedly state that when a casino makes a payout mistake in favor of the gambler, he or she must return the money that they did not legitimately win by playing.[/quote]
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^^that stuff
Outside the NBA that stuff wouldn't be considered too bad, so i guess he's not a thug, but as far as the NBA goes, he is.
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I remember watching some NBA show on Spike TV and they showed Oakley smacking Pippen's sharp skull when Pippen was a rookie. Funny sh!t!
Rick Mahorn: dubbed by Piston announcer George Blaha, Mahorn was the "Baddest Bad Boy" of them all
[QUOTE]Outside the NBA that stuff wouldn't be considered too bad, so i guess he's not a thug, but as far as the NBA goes, he is.[/QUOTE]
That makes NO sense at all. His actions off the court don't make him a thug off the court. Yet those same actions off the court make him a thug on the court? :confusedshrug: Either he is or he's not. Pretty cut and dry.
He is simply saying that in contrast to the actions of a normal NBA player he is a thug, though outside of the NBA he may not be, its pretty cut and dry.
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Dennis Rodman????
brevin knight
[QUOTE]He is simply saying that in contrast to the actions of a normal NBA player he is a thug[/QUOTE]
I understand that. But you can't just call someone a thug of a league and a non-thug outside of it. Either he is one or not one.
Hi Tarik One, How is that nice Fat lady doing?
Are your dayz still full of passion?
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Was it true that Charles Oakley punched Charles Barkley during the lockout back in 98?
[QUOTE=El Kabong]Was it true that Charles Oakley punched Charles Barkley during the lockout back in 98?[/QUOTE]
I think he punched Barkley's momma.
No mention of MASE? C'mon Anthony Mason was one of the worst thugs of all time. Oakley was more like the dirty but crafty guy I don't associate crafty dudes w/ thugs.
Mahorn is up there too.
[QUOTE=Tarik One]I understand that. But you can't just call someone a thug of a league and a non-thug outside of it. Either he is one or not one.[/QUOTE]
No you really don't understand, at all, its not that his actions in real life are different from his actions in basketball, is thats when his actions are looked at in comparison to NBA players they are thugish, however when look at in contrast to other people they would not be.
Thats what this thread is about, who is the thug of the NBA not who is the thug of the NBA who for some reason also has to be a thug when compared to the much lower standards set on other people.
He said compared to other NBA players he is thugish? Is that false, i don't think so.
He then said compared to the general population he is really not that thugish? Is that false, i don't think so. So whats your point here, how was he wrong?
[QUOTE=joe lucky]No mention of MASE? C'mon Anthony Mason was one of the worst thugs of all time. Oakley was more like the dirty but crafty guy I don't associate crafty dudes w/ thugs.
Mahorn is up there too.[/QUOTE]
You also forgot to mention Kevin Butterworth....
[QUOTE=Tarik One]That makes NO sense at all. His actions off the court don't make him a thug off the court. Yet those same actions off the court make him a thug on the court? :confusedshrug: Either he is or he's not. Pretty cut and dry.[/QUOTE]
What I'm trying to say is; compared to the other dudes in the NBA, he's as close to a thug that you'll get, but if you go put him out there with your regular thugs on the street, he doesn't measure up to them when it comes to being a thug (i.e. drug dealing, shootings, robberies)
EDIT: thanks for the help SirPresident
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lmfao god that pic is priceless
Charles Oakley is the first person to come to mind...
That guy from sugarhill, he was a thug.
Dennis Rodman
XMan
Jayson Williams - acts all smoothe and funny, then pops someone.
Darius Miles.
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I pack heat so don't falk with me
Rick Mahorn
Bill Laimbeer
Danny Fortson
Kermit Washington (wasn't that the guy that smashed Rudy's face?)
Matt Geiger
I vote Fortson. He broke a guys wrist going for a block fer chrissakes! That's pure thug.
aint no thugs in the NBA... just a sheltered suburb kid's fantasy..
stop the nonsense
ron artest for climbing all the way up and throwing punches at fans, did you guys see the tape of that? during the chaos there was a moment when a random fan walked into him and showed a "what r u gonna do" attitude, with no hesitation artest knocked him down like it was the most natural thing on earth to do. I cannot stop laughing everytime I see that part.
you gotta give some credit to that!
Fan was brave to step up like that...brave or really dumb.. there is also a female who immediately gets outta his way when he charges up the steps...I'd be like her...I wouldnt be in his way if he came charging into the stands...
i even saw the new on "economist", thats right, "economist", the magzine normally writes about economics and finance. if ron artest is not the most notorious, he is definitely the most influential.
i even saw the new on "economist", thats right, "economist", the magzine normally writes about economics and finance. if ron artest is not the most notorious, he is definitely the most influential.
[QUOTE=TheReturnofCed]Rick Mahorn
Bill Laimbeer
Danny Fortson
[B]Kermit Washington (wasn't that the guy that smashed Rudy's face?)[/B]
Matt Geiger[/QUOTE]
I was just going to say that. I read an nterview with him on SLAM. This guy was a goon, Donald Brashear style. His life was questionable outside of ball as well. But I think that shot to Rudy T's face made him a changed man.
my original intent was to limit it to on court behavior
thug=a person whose primary role is to be physical and do "enforcement" duties for his team
to me, a thug is different from a dirty player (eg laimbeer); or an out of control action (artest in the stands); of any off court behavior (iverson); or any one time punch (k. washington)
i am a lifetime sonic fan-- danny fortson's main role was to enforce and play physical
but if i am to give a vote for a current player-- potapenko comes to mind
other all timers are maurice lucas, clifford ray, and wes unseld
oakley is a good pick too