NDEs...(Near Death Experiences)

These people are not liars...not all of them anyway...there is no way

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOhtjodjiQE[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOVawdK06HY[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGpxfoF3SYg&feature=related[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPabMyVvC9s[/url]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QavlsCL79k8[/url]

each of these are around 8 minutes long or so...but IMO it is well worth the time...

and there are tons more of these on YouTube

these videos have me convinced that there is an after life...

all of these stories are too similiar and there is no way that all of them are liars or just making up stories...

I am not saying that this is proof that the Bible is word for word correct...all i am saying is that I now believe that when i die there will be an after life for me....

some of these people see hell...

all of them see thier own body after they die....and then a light

IDK....I guess this is the only proof we have on this planet that thier is in a fact a God of some sort...

I was trying to find the article but can't... about a week ago there was some new evidence researchers had discovered.. about how they could artificially stimulate religious type of experiences by stimulating certain parts of the brain... So, it may be possible to stimulate certain areas of the brain, that may become active and produce hallucinating religious like experiences, feelings and thoughts during when the body becomes stressed from trauma for example...

[QUOTE=Chalkmaze]I was trying to find the article but can't... about a week ago there was some new evidence researchers had discovered.. about how they could artificially stimulate religious type of experiences by stimulating certain parts of the brain... So, it may be possible to stimulate certain areas of the brain, that may become active and produce hallucinating religious like experiences, feelings and thoughts during when the body becomes stressed from trauma for example...[/QUOTE]
aahh...

but that does not explain how people are able to explain to the doctors and thier family the events that happened in the ER room while they were dead...

some of these people can tell the doctors exactly what they where doing and saying while they were working on them, because they were in the room watching the whole thing....looking at themselves!!!!

there is no other explaination other than we have a spirit...

[QUOTE=-primetime-]aahh...

but that does not explain how people are able to explain to the doctors and thier family the events that happened in the ER room while they were dead...

some of these people can tell the doctors exactly what they where doing and saying while they were working on them, because they were in the room watching the whole thing....looking at themselves!!!!

there is no other explaination other than we have a spirit...[/QUOTE]

Actually there are other explanations, such as we are able to still able to record sounds around us and think even while unconscious. There are other possibilities too.

[quote=-primetime-]These people are not liars...not all of them anyway...there is no way

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOhtjodjiQE"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOhtjodjiQE[/URL]

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOVawdK06HY"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOVawdK06HY[/URL]

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGpxfoF3SYg&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGpxfoF3SYg&feature=related[/URL]

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPabMyVvC9s"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPabMyVvC9s[/URL]

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QavlsCL79k8"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QavlsCL79k8[/URL]

each of these are around 8 minutes long or so...but IMO it is well worth the time...

and there are tons more of these on YouTube

these videos have me convinced that there is an after life...

all of these stories are too similiar and there is no way that all of them are liars or just making up stories...

I am not saying that this is proof that the Bible is word for word correct...all i am saying is that I now believe that when i die there will be an after life for me....

some of these people see hell...

all of them see thier own body after they die....and then a light

IDK....I guess this is the only proof we have on this planet that thier is in a fact a God of some sort...[/quote]

Are you allergic to paragraphs?

Very interesting. Check out these two people, they both speak about going to Heaven and having a life's review and they both speak about seeing themselves hurting someone else when they were kids and actually feeling the pain that person felt. And they both say other similar things like their knowledge being increased. Remember these are two totally different people who don't know eachother.


http://www.nderf.org/mary_anne_f's_nde.htm




[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPabMyVvC9s&feature=PlayList&p=CC903629E8F63361&index=8[/url]

Also, be sure to check out his thread where he hears the demons and satan from a deep hole in the ground.

[QUOTE=SuperboyXX0018]Your ignorance and arrogance is beyond belief.[/QUOTE]

You're one to talk...

its all psychological people!!

dammit superboy, this thread could've been interesting. can't you take you're nonsense elsewhere? fyi, no one here is interested in your madness.

this thread had potential

[QUOTE=SuperboyXX0018].........yeah okay, so they're all liars or just had a "dream".:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

yeah. its possible

take a look at hysterical neurosis or conversion disorder


people see what their mind tells them to see.

[QUOTE=wTFaMonkey]yeah. its possible

take a look at hysterical neurosis or conversion disorder


people see what their mind tells them to see.[/QUOTE]

don't bother dude, superboy's not interested in factual information. he bases his opinions solely on one book.

[QUOTE=StroShow4]don't bother dude, superboy's not interested in factual information. he bases his opinions solely on one book.[/QUOTE]
:D :D :D

yea. lol

i have proven him wrong before. might as well make him look stupid again
:cheers:

Why did he delete his posts?

[url]http://metgat.gaia.com/blog/2008/3/debunking_the_nde_debunkers[/url]

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[QUOTE=Take Your Lumps]brain synapses brain synapses brain synapses brain synapses brain synapses brain synapses brain synapses brain synapses brain synapses brain synapses[/QUOTE]

You said this over and over...

explain this... how can a blind man who has a NDE describe
his surroundings?

Why do most NDE's seem to involve the same descriptions?

Brain Synapses... That's just not true. sorry.

I've met several people with these NDE's and they describe
something that is beyond this world's understanding.

Science only wishes it could explain this... and brain synapses
is it's theory.

Actually, I think most people would be quite surprised what blind people know, and how they perceive the world. I know a lot of blind people... I know some of them that get around so well, that their inlaws have accused them of faking being blind. I know blind people who use the computer to send emails and read the web, I know a guy that can figure out which direction he's going (north, south, east, west), most of the time... then there's stevie wonder... All this just to say... you'd be surprised what a blind person can pick up on.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqDZUCMgf5Q"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqDZUCMgf5Q[/URL]

[QUOTE=Chalkmaze]Actually, I think most people would be quite surprised what blind people know, and how they perceive the world. I know a lot of blind people... I know some of them that get around so well, that their inlaws have accused them of faking being blind. I know blind people who use the computer [B]to send emails and read the web[/B], I know a guy that can figure out which direction he's going (north, south, east, west), most of the time... then there's stevie wonder... All this just to say... you'd be surprised what a blind person can pick up on.[/QUOTE]
yea i was sitting in the computer lab of my college and a blind guy came up and started using the comp and checking email and such, he put his face like 1 inch from the screen and was somehow using it properly and logged in on his first attempt with no help.. beats me :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=baseketball4life]yea i was sitting in the computer lab of my college and a blind guy came up and started using the comp and checking email and such, he put his face like 1 inch from the screen and was somehow using it properly and logged in on his first attempt with no help.. beats me :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

Is that really a blind person though? In my perfect world, a blind person can't see anything but black...:ohwell:

[QUOTE=RidonKs][URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqDZUCMgf5Q"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqDZUCMgf5Q[/URL][/QUOTE]
I ran into this one...

for the first minute I was interested....

the I realized what was going on and I laughed....






but in all seriousness the events I posted in the OP are real.....those old ladies are not lieing.....they have no agenda

[QUOTE=gencbiba]Is that really a blind person though? In my perfect world, a blind person can't see anything but black...:ohwell:[/QUOTE]

They are site impaired, legally blind, but they have partial site. Many people considered site impaired are able to work on computers that have things specially set up so that all the fonts are really super big. but where good vision is 20/20.. there's is like 20/1000 or 20/8000 (after wearing corrective lenses) which is super poor.

But I was talking about completely blind, not site impaired people earlier, many of them still can use computers with screen readers and memorizing lots of things. It's easy to mistake them, some people have tunnel vision, some see a blur, some see light and dark, and some see complete darkness.

I think any man or woman that is an athiest should have a good
sit-down-conversation with a person that claims to have a NDE.

How valuable is "witness testimony" ?

One guy says this and one guy says that... Who do you believe and
who do you choose not to believe? In our hearts we pic and decide
who is full of $hit and who is not.

Do you believe Roger Clemens? I think he is sooo full of $hit that
it's obvious... he used steroids probably throughout his entire career.
This is what I interpret as a bull$hitter... But there exsists a motive in his lie,... pride.... His pride was about to crash, but he failed to realize
that because he cared so much about his own pride & legacy, that he dug his own grave... He destroyed his own legacy... By being a liar.

My point is, people have felt or experienced something that is beyond
our world, and beyond our science... and I know it takes a certain
amount of faith to believe if there is truth to that. But when I see a guy
that is full of $hit... I will call him out... The way I can tell the
difference is through my heart... what does your heart tell you?
My heart tells me that I have a relationship with God.


I guess the bottom line is this... We all have 5 senses...
But IMO We all have a sixth sense that can't be explained by science....
What would you concider it to be? faith? phychic abilities?
prophecy? spitituality? mystic stylez? your soul?

Maybe it's time we started thinking outside the flesh and in the spirit.

That's my only advice.

Don't mess around with Ouija boards!!!


[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMhqq5F_RZ4&feature=related[/url]


This man got lucky.

[QUOTE=Doomsday Dallas]
I guess the bottom line is this... We all have 5 senses...
But IMO We all have a sixth sense that can't be explained by science....
What would you concider it to be? faith? phychic abilities?
prophecy? spitituality? mystic stylez? your soul?

Maybe it's time we started thinking outside the flesh and in the spirit.

That's my only advice.[/QUOTE]
I never thought that YouTube would make me think differently....but it has

too many old ladies/old men/people in general/ect. with the same story.....they can't all be liars....it is real

I am a believer.....and in a strange way I guess i can thank the internet for that

The Internet is [B]saturated[/B] with information and stories that help prove the existence of God and the afterlife. People just aren't aware of that and that's why I do what I do.

[QUOTE=SuperboyXX0018]The Internet is [B]saturated[/B] with information and stories that help prove the existence of God and the afterlife. People just aren't aware of that and that's why I do what I do.[/QUOTE]
keep your posts like this and I will start to like you

[QUOTE=SuperboyXX0018]The Internet is [B]saturated[/B] with information and stories that help prove the existence of God and the afterlife. People just aren't aware of that and that's why I do what I do.[/QUOTE]

SuperBoy is very unpopular, but few people know that he
is my favorite poster...

I'm with you man.

[QUOTE=Doomsday Dallas]SuperBoy is very unpopular, but few people know that he
is my favorite poster...

I'm with you man.[/QUOTE]


Appreciate it.:cheers:

I'm starting to come around on SuperBoy myself...

he is just trying to get his word out.....nothing wrong with that

I believe some of those people. I've had an edp myself but I was just knocked out for a second from a medicine ball. Could see myself and walk around and bleh blah bleh. Lucid dreaming is another thing that could explain this but I don't buy it. Theres a god and if you have faith then he won't fail you. This crap scares me to think about though because i can actually visualize me getting hurt real bad and my spirit floating around, then my life flashing before my eyes.

Witness testimony? Yeah, sorry...that's not how science works.

There's lots of people on the internet who claim to have seen bigfoot too.

I have a hard time letting go of logic and reason...I guess that's my sin. :)

Just something for some of you to ponder when thinking about how easy it is to fool the human mind [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ81GbzTZTE[/url]

Hypnosis, is a prime example of how peculiar the mind can be, how easy it is to trick it.

The power of suggestion is very strong...

If you want to see something bad enough, if your brain has had trauma, if your are questioning something and want proof, you can create it, and believe it completely.

One of the best cases for NDE's (maybe not for the skeptics or scientists, but for NDEers themselves) is the numerous testimonies of people who claim they saw important future personal events, all of which would come to be true. Yes, you could make a "lucky guess" for a couple of things (although I don't know the degree in which a NDEer's brain is able to do that), but some events are too hard to predict. As an example, there was a NDE'er who saw that she'd be married 3 times, that her second husband would abuse her, that she'd bear 13 children and that 3 of them would be born dead. You tell me what are the possibilities to make all these guesses correctly, whichever drug your brain receives.

Science can't work based on personal testimonies (let alone the testimonies of NDE'ers, themselves, which are based on completely personal stuff), but this doesn't falsify them in any way.

i remember in highschool i had a pretty bad car accident, i knee'd the gear shift into reverse climbing out the passenger side door, fell out and rolled to the curb asap

couple seconds later that car is still going into reverse, managed to turn my head and saw the bumper coming at my head pretty full speed, had i not moved, my head would've been smashed between the back bumper and the curb

broke my collar bone that night, but i will NEVER forget that moment, you can decided for yourself if you consider that an NDE :)

[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Are you allergic to paragraphs?[/QUOTE]

:roll:

[QUOTE=-primetime-]I'm starting to come around on SuperBoy myself...

he is just trying to get his word out.....nothing wrong with that[/QUOTE]

there is a difference between trying to get your word out and trying to force your beliefs on every single person you come into contact with.

Primetime....you are a good poster, so take the time to understand that there is no afterlife. You are right, those people are not lying. What you don't seem to understand is what they are "seeing" is no different than vividly picturing Vince Carter do a windmill.....it is all in the person's head. As the body begins to shut down and cease functioning the brain can experience vivid images. None of it is real though, they are seeing products of involuntary imagination. This has been proven, and in fact is very common as the central nervous system and brain begin their descent from compicated switchboard to nothingness.