Someone explain to me how Brook Lopez was a good pick at number 10?

A soft, unathletic big man with average post moves is not a great lottery pick.

He is Chris Mihm part two. Similar skillset, same size, similar athleticism ect.

Mihm was a solid player in his first 2 seasons with the Lakers at about 10 ppg and 6 or 7 rpg but not worth a lottery pick.

Lopez is so soft that he shot 46.8% against much smaller college players. He also can't deal with physical play.

From Draft Express

[QUOTE]Sometimes, though, he seems content to stay in the five to seven foot range, where his success drops considerably. Lopez is very formulaic in this range when he has his back to the basket, never trying to further back his man down once he has the ball, never putting the ball on the floor for more than one dribble, and almost always going right up into a right-handed hook shot or a turnaround jumper, often rushing his shot. Watching him in this area of the court, you get the idea that he knows exactly what he

Chris Mihm was actually really good before the injuries.

10 and 6 with a block and an assist and average defense is not "really good". It's average.

It will be funny if Brook Lopez works his ass off to gain post moves like Olaujowan and we are all proven wrong, but sadly I don't think he will. To me, Brook Lopez's biggest problem is his lack of competitive fire.

I would have been mad if he dropped to 16 and the sixers took him, so I know how you feel VC. I was sweatin bullets while phx was on the clock hoping they would take Robin so the sixers didn't consider him.

Can you relax and atleast wait till he plays a hand full of games in the nba before saying he isn't a good pick. Every scout saw him as the best Center in the draft. imo the Nets got a good player plus someone to fill the hole they desperately needed to fill.

[QUOTE=Make It Rain]Chris Mihm was actually really good before the injuries.[/QUOTE]
umm chris was solid and showed flashes of potential at times before his injury.

[QUOTE=VCMVP1551]10 and 6 with a block and an assist and average defense is not "really good". It's average.[/QUOTE]
He's been injured since his 1st year. You had to have watched him play. I'm positive you just looked at his career stats and made that assumption. But he was pretty damn good. He looked like he was gonna be something. But injuries have prevented him from maximizing his potential.

[QUOTE=rknine15]Can you relax and atleast wait till he plays a hand full of games in the nba before saying he isn't a good pick. Every scout saw him as the best Center in the draft. imo the Nets got a good player plus someone to fill the hole they desperately needed to fill.[/QUOTE]
Those scouts can't be trusted. They're the same scouts that scouted every bust to come through the league. And how the HELL does one twin average 19/8, the other averages 10/5.5...and the distance between their talent is only 5 draft picks?

[QUOTE=Make It Rain]He's been injured since his 1st year. You had to have watched him play. I'm positive you just looked at his career stats and made that assumption. But he was pretty damn good. He looked like he was gonna be something. But injuries have prevented him from maximizing his potential.[/QUOTE]

I saw him play. I didn't see him that much until he got to Los Angeles because he spent most of his career in Cleveland who didn't have pretty much any games shown on national TV prior to Lebron being drafted.

He sure as hell wasn't "really good" at any point though. He was a role player.

[QUOTE=Posterize246]Those scouts can't be trusted. They're the same scouts that scouted every bust to come through the league. And how the HELL does one twin average 19/8, the other averages 10/5.5...and the distance between their talent is only 5 draft picks?[/QUOTE]
Scouts are aware that the players could be a bust(every player could be a bust). Its a high risk high reward thing. Plus there are a lot more scouts now.

To be honest I only watched Brook play one game so I really dont know how things work in stanford. Maybe it had something to do with the minutes, maybe they were just complementing each other (one would work on scoring and the other in defense) or maybe Brook is just the better one(the one that develop quicker).

Who should they have drafted instead of Brook Lopez?

i watched these guys play high school ball. these guys are the next O'Banan brothers.

[QUOTE=GOBB]Who should they have drafted instead of Brook Lopez?[/QUOTE]
Jerryd Bayless, Anthony Randolph, Brandon Rush were all better. Even if they don't fit a need of your team, you can always trade them for something that does. Hibbert and Speights were also better big men. I don't like Koufos that much, but I have him higher than Lopez. No way I respect a 7 footer who shot under 47% in college.

[QUOTE=GOBB]Who should they have drafted instead of Brook Lopez?[/QUOTE]
Exactly, Bayless was there but we have Marcus and Devin.
[QUOTE=Posterize246]Those scouts can't be trusted. They're the same scouts that scouted every bust to come through the league. And how the HELL does one twin average 19/8, the other averages 10/5.5...and the distance between their talent is only 5 draft picks?[/QUOTE]Because the Suns are stupid lol

[QUOTE=Nets fan 93]Exactly, Bayless was there but we have Marcus and Devin.
Because the Suns are stupid lol[/QUOTE]
I think the Nets needed a pf bad, whether it be by the draft (which they already passed on that idea) or a trade. I think they could have gotten a good pf for Bayless had they drafted him. Maybe even just a decent one, along with another player and a pick. Who are the net's pf's? Yi, Swift, and now Anderson?:eek: Maybe Williams can play pf I'm not sure what he normally plays, but jeez.

At least wait to see him play...jeez....

[QUOTE=ZHAKIDD532]At least wait to see him play...jeez....[/QUOTE]
we have

I'll say it again Hoffa PtII

[QUOTE=Nets fan 93]Exactly, Bayless was there but we have Marcus and Devin.
Because the Suns are stupid lol[/QUOTE]

Actually the Suns did good by picking him. Since Brandon Rush wasn't available anymore they picked up Robin to back up Shaq. In doing so, they addressed one of the team's biggest weakness, Defense and that presence in the post(while Shaq is resting). Plus, Robin wasn't acquired to be a 20/10 guy. I'm sure Kerr will be satisfied if he's a 10/10 guy(perhaps even lower ppg), his D is what the Suns are after.

[QUOTE=highwhey]Actually the Suns did good by picking him. Since Brandon Rush wasn't available anymore they picked up Robin to back up Shaq. In doing so, they addressed one of the team's biggest weakness, Defense and that presence in the post(while Shaq is resting). Plus, Robin wasn't acquired to be a 20/10 guy. I'm sure Kerr will be satisfied if he's a 10/10 guy(perhaps even lower ppg), his D is what the Suns are after.[/QUOTE]
10 rebounds? no. Guy couldn't get 6 a game in college. Why does everyone think he's a rebounder all of a sudden?

[QUOTE=Posterize246]I think the Nets needed a pf bad, whether it be by the draft (which they already passed on that idea) or a trade. I think they could have gotten a good pf for Bayless had they drafted him. Maybe even just a decent one, along with another player and a pick. Who are the net's pf's? Yi, Swift, and now Anderson?:eek: Maybe Williams can play pf I'm not sure what he normally plays, but jeez.[/QUOTE]
Maybe??? S-Will is a PF he is 6'8" what did you think he was a center?

[QUOTE=High Potential][B]It will be funny if Brook Lopez works his ass off to gain post moves like Olaujowan [/B][/QUOTE]


:cletus

[QUOTE=Posterize246]10 rebounds? no. Guy couldn't get 6 a game in college. Why does everyone think he's a rebounder all of a sudden?[/QUOTE]
he'll get there, not the first year but he'll have some numbers. he's a 7 footer, long arms...I predict he'll get at least 5+ rebounds in his debut.

[QUOTE=Posterize246]Jerryd Bayless, Anthony Randolph, Brandon Rush were all better.[/quote]

Bayless = Devin Harris, and NJ spent a first rounder on Marcus Williams as well. Why draft Bayless again when Brook was probably the best player that was a big man at that position?

Anthony Randolph is nothing more than a project. He has a long ways to go.

B.Rush I cant argue there. Could replace Vince Carter. But talented big men will be picked over guards 9 out of 10 times. Pretty sure NJ would have got slammed passing a big for a guard.

[QUOTE]Even if they don't fit a need of your team, you can always trade them for something that does.[/QUOTE]

So draft Bayless and package him away for more/better value? Eh. Maybe.

But at what pick would Brook Lopez have made sense? His brother? Not a lotto pick. But I'm just a lil lost on why Lopez isnt. He's not that bad. And last I checked who is the man in the middle for NJ?

[QUOTE]Hibbert and Speights were also better big men.[/QUOTE]

Hibbert? Cut your wrist
Speights? May have the upside/potential, I cant say he was/is the better player right now. Lopez is better and I'm not a fan of his.

[quote]I don't like Koufos that much, but I have him higher than Lopez. No way I respect a 7 footer who shot under 47% in college.[/QUOTE]

But you respect a Center like Koufos who spends his time shooting jumpers? :confusedshrug:

I'm glad a "true basketball fan" who likes Vince Carter calls either Lopez soft. WTF do ppl want, one of them to get shot on court?

The Nets are a useless franchise in limbo, until LBJ passes them up in 2010, and they're stuck watching Yi jialian play basketball against a chair.

varejao or lopez?

i'd take varejao 15 out of 10 times.

he used to be ranked 3rd in the draft

they should have taken bayless. they were drafting too much for need. lopez might be the worst starting center in the nba next year. if your gonna draft for a starter, make sure theres one out there that will be somewhat competitive.

[QUOTE=GOBB]
But at what pick would Brook Lopez have made sense? His brother? Not a lotto pick. But I'm just a lil lost on why Lopez isnt. He's not that bad. And last I checked who is the man in the middle for NJ?[/QUOTE]

The reason he shouldn't have been a lottery pick is because he is soft and has limited upside. A lottery pick shouldn't be wasted on the next Chris Mihm.



[QUOTE]Hibbert? Cut your wrist[/QUOTE]

Hibbert is better, he shoots well over 60% from the field like a big man should, he is better in the low post, he is a better passer and a better shot blocker.

Please stop hating. He's at least way better than Yi Jianlian on the court and probably be a nice role player in the Nets.

[QUOTE=Kiddlovesnets]Please stop hating. He's at least way better than Yi Jianlian on the court and probably be a nice role player in the Nets.[/QUOTE]

How do you know? Yi showed some potential last year and it wouldn't shock me if he put up 12 and 6 next season.

[QUOTE=GOBB]Bayless = Devin Harris, and NJ spent a first rounder on Marcus Williams as well. Why draft Bayless again when Brook was probably the best player that was a big man at that position?

Anthony Randolph is nothing more than a project. He has a long ways to go.

B.Rush I cant argue there. Could replace Vince Carter. But talented big men will be picked over guards 9 out of 10 times. Pretty sure NJ would have got slammed passing a big for a guard.



So draft Bayless and package him away for more/better value? Eh. Maybe.

But at what pick would Brook Lopez have made sense? His brother? Not a lotto pick. But I'm just a lil lost on why Lopez isnt. He's not that bad. And last I checked who is the man in the middle for NJ?



Hibbert? Cut your wrist
Speights? May have the upside/potential, I cant say he was/is the better player right now. Lopez is better and I'm not a fan of his.



But you respect a Center like Koufos who spends his time shooting jumpers? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
NJ would have got slammed for picking a guard over a big, but what about Arthur? I forgot to mention him. If this bs about a kidney problem didn't come out, he would have been drafted in this area. Hibbert isn't a stud, but he doesn't have "bust" written on his forehead either. Kind of the same deal as Rush. He's slow as hell, but who tested dead last in the 3/4 court sprint and lane agility drill? Brook Lopez. And no I never said I respected Koufos. I just had him rated higher than Lopez. If he can spend most of his time shooting jumpers and shoot over 50%, fine. Similar to Ilgauskas. If Lopez is 7 foot and shoots 46.8%, no way I put him in the lottery.

The reason it was a good pick is because, simply,[B] it was the 10th pick in the draft. [/B] Most "locks" to be stars are long gone, so now you are looking for need or upside.

Lopez was clearly the best center in this years draft and the Nets got him. He averaged 20 points/10 rebounds a game. If he ends up being an above average center in the NBA, its a steal.

[QUOTE=VCMVP1551]A soft, unathletic big man with average post moves is not a great lottery pick.

He is Chris Mihm part two. Similar skillset, same size, similar athleticism ect...

So what's so great about getting a guy who'll be lucky to be as good as Chris Mihm at number 10?[/QUOTE]
You do realize that Chris Mihm was also a top 10 pick right?

Actually if you cared to look into it you'd notice that being 7 feet tall with at least average post moves and athleticism will get you drafted into the top half of the first round.

[QUOTE=Da KO King]You do realize that Chris Mihm was also a top 10 pick right?[/QUOTE]

Yes and would anyone call him a steal?

[QUOTE=Da KO King]Actually if you cared to look into it you'd notice that being 7 feet tall with at least average post moves and athleticism will get you drafted into the top half of the first round.[/QUOTE]

I don't care, I just don't want to hear about him being a steal in the lottery when he'll probably be an average player at best.

[QUOTE=bagelred]The reason it was a good pick is because, simply,[B] it was the 10th pick in the draft. [/B] Most "locks" to be stars are long gone, so now you are looking for need or upside.

Lopez was clearly the best center in this years draft and the Nets got him. He averaged 20 points/10 rebounds a game. If he ends up being an above average center in the NBA, its a steal.[/QUOTE]
You can't boost his #s. He averaged 19/8 on 47% shooting. No way he gets close to 10 rebounds in the league. Lopez is a career 12 ppg,7.5 rpg guy in the nba

[QUOTE=Posterize246]You can't boost his #s. He averaged 19/8 on 47% shooting. No way he gets close to 10 rebounds in the league. Lopez is a career 12 ppg,7.5 rpg guy in the nba[/QUOTE]

And that's at best. At best he's the next Christian Laettner and most likely he'll be the next Chris Mihm.

I don't care if people think that was an OK pick at 10 considering team needs but I don't want to hear about how it's some great pick or a steal.

[QUOTE=VCMVP1551]Yes and would anyone call him a steal?

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Yes, Mihm was a steal in 2000!!
even at no7. he would be even bigger steal had he slipped to 10.

If I redid the draft today, he would go no5, after Mike Miller, K-Mart and Hedo (and of course Redd, but he went no40:)).

check the draft if you don't beleive:
[URL="http://www.nbadraft.net/nba_draft_history/2000.html"]http://www.nbadraft.net/nba_draft_history/2000.html[/URL]

Stro, Crawford, Przybilla, Dooling, Ethan Thomas, Des Mason, Q-Rich, Magloire, Mo-Pete, DeShawn Stevenson Brian Cardinal and Marko Jaric are the only competition...
This years draft may not be much stronger than 2000 was, unfortunately.

And Brook will probably get more chance to shine than Cris did.
Lopez might easily become a starter in NJ in his rookie year.

[QUOTE=VCMVP1551]And that's at best. At best he's the next Christian Laettner and most likely he'll be the next Chris Mihm.

I don't care if people think that was an OK pick at 10 considering team needs but I don't want to hear about how it's some great pick or a steal.[/QUOTE]

seeing how half teams in the league don't have a 12-7 true center, yes he would be a steal.