To all tha atheists out there... If you dont think God iz real then who made us? who made tha world? sun, moon stars,oceans, animals, continents, etc. ask these questions to yourselves...
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To all tha atheists out there... If you dont think God iz real then who made us? who made tha world? sun, moon stars,oceans, animals, continents, etc. ask these questions to yourselves...
[QUOTE=Fresh Kid]To all tha atheists out there... If you dont think God iz real then who made us? who made tha world? sun, moon stars,oceans, animals, continents, etc. ask these questions to yourselves...[/QUOTE]
We don't know but we choose to keep it that way instead of making someone up named God to ease our minds.
Who made God?
God made who?
Hopefully this doesn't turn into a big thread. Everyone just ignore this loser.
[QUOTE=Le Shaqtus]God made who?[/QUOTE]
everybody man.
:roll:
[QUOTE=Balla_Status]We don't know but we choose to keep it that way instead of making someone up named God to ease our minds.[/QUOTE]
no matter what there is a creator and of course we call him God.
[QUOTE=Fresh Kid]To all tha atheists out there... If you dont think God iz real then who made us? who made tha world? sun, moon stars,oceans, animals, continents, etc. ask these questions to yourselves...[/QUOTE]
I've narrowed it down to a few candidates...
[IMG]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GSa6ftrY2BY/UUptwg0iLtI/AAAAAAAAB3I/gjTrbQWHE8A/s320/Greek+Myths.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://mythologyaroundtheworld.yolasite.com/resources/Egyptian%20gods%20and%20goddesses%20group.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://getasword.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/norsegods-viking-gods.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.avikatz.net/books/hindu/images/the_gods.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://displays.tpet.co.uk/ResourceImages/Previews/464/1.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Budadiiii]Hopefully this doesn't turn into a big thread. Everyone just ignore this loser.[/QUOTE]
Tha truth hurts that bad man??
While I will not say God exist as a fact, I can't say he doesn't either. He may or may not exist but why does atheist and Christians hate on each other so much because of how different their views are. I wouldn't consider me a christian nor an atheist but I seriously don't give a fvck if my friends believe in God or not as that is their view on the world. In the end you can't just prove there is or there isn't a God.
I don't know why both sides can just live happy with each other and end up at insults like what Budadii did when he insulted OP even though he didn't instigated anything.
PS:(I have both, christians and atheist friends and they are always on war because of their views, I am always the troll putting the log in the fire though :lol)
[QUOTE=Bandito]While I will not say God exist as a fact, I can't say he doesn't either. He may or may not exist but why does atheist and Christians hate on each other so much because of how different their views are. I wouldn't consider me a christian nor an atheist but I seriously don't give a fvck if my friends believe in God or not as that is their view on the world. In the end you can't just prove there is or there isn't a God. (I have both, christians and atheist friends and they are always on war because of their views, I am always the troll putting the log in the fire though :lol)[/QUOTE]
What annoys me in these discussions is the kind of christianity vs. atheism thing. There are thousands of different religions and gods people are believing in. Yet every single believer thinks it's either him or the atheist who's right...before they can talk to the atheist, what about getting on the same page about which deity is on the other side of the coin? Just annoying. You know, the whole Pascals's Wager thing where believers have no clue how many contradicting religions are using the exact same line of reasoning.
[QUOTE=dr.hee]I've narrowed it down to a few candidates...
[IMG]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GSa6ftrY2BY/UUptwg0iLtI/AAAAAAAAB3I/gjTrbQWHE8A/s320/Greek+Myths.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://mythologyaroundtheworld.yolasite.com/resources/Egyptian%20gods%20and%20goddesses%20group.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://getasword.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/norsegods-viking-gods.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.avikatz.net/books/hindu/images/the_gods.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://displays.tpet.co.uk/ResourceImages/Previews/464/1.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
God made them tho.
[QUOTE=Fresh Kid]God made them tho.[/QUOTE]
Where are they now?
[QUOTE=Bandito]While I will not say God exist as a fact, I can't say he doesn't either. He may or may not exist but why does atheist and Christians hate on each other so much because of how different their views are. I wouldn't consider me a christian nor an atheist but I seriously don't give a fvck if my friends believe in God or not as that is their view on the world. In the end you can't just prove there is or there isn't a God.
I don't know why both sides can just live happy with each other and end up at insults like what Budadii did when he insulted OP even though he didn't instigated anything.
PS:(I have both, christians and atheist friends and they are always on war because of their views, I am always the troll putting the log in the fire though :lol)[/QUOTE]
I understand what you are saying but u have to think about we definitely didnt appear out of nowhere to be living on this earth, like who really made tha earth man? Good vs Evil goes on everyday, just like God and stan iz well, heaven and hell. for your friends sake, we should all get along, but at tha end of tha day what iz right iz right, no other way.
[QUOTE=dr.hee]Where are they now?[/QUOTE]
take a guess.
[QUOTE=Fresh Kid]take a guess.[/QUOTE]
I'm not religious, help me out.
[QUOTE=dr.hee]What annoys me in these discussions is the kind of christianity vs. atheism thing. There are thousands of different religions and gods people are believing in. Yet every single believer thinks it's either him or the atheist who's right...before they can talk to the atheist, what about getting on the same page about which deity is on the other side of the coin? Just annoying. You know, the whole Pascals's Wager thing where believers have no clue how many contradicting religions are using the exact same line of reasoning.[/QUOTE]
I understand what you are saying and it makes sense. But there are a lot of cultures besides one based on christianism (Occidental culture) so there are going to be a lot of views on what diety is the "God" based on what they seen throughout the ages. At the end of the day nobody know what's out there.
Heck I think that God doesn't exist and when we die we go back to the Earth and come back as something else. (To make it short; reincarnation, we go back to the basic elements and we transform into something else, we become food for the worms, we are enegry so we in essence never get destroyed we just change, etc...)
I'm currently reading: The Great Partnership; Science, Religion and the Search for Meaning by Jonathan Sacks. It's a good read for atheists and religious believers alike.
It's of course skewed toward the religious side (he's a Rabbi after all) but it's an intelligent and thought-provoking examination of the human desire to find meaning in the universe through both left and right brain activity.
[QUOTE=dr.hee]I'm not religious, help me out.[/QUOTE]
heaven or hell.
[QUOTE=Bandito]Heck I think that God doesn't exist and when we die we go back to the Earth and come back as something else. (To make it short; reincarnation, we go back to the basic elements and we transform into something else, we become food for the worms, we are enegry so we in essence never get destroyed we just change, etc...)[/QUOTE]
The energy part might be true, but if my brain is destroyed, I couldn't care less which worm is eating it, lol. "We" might arise out of energy in our brain, but it's very specific patterns that make us humans. So in my opinion, that's all lost with death. Reincarnation...don't know...what I like as some useless speculation is some eternal cycle going on. Like an endless number of universes coming and going. In the most boring case, simply the same one over and over again. Pointless infinite regress.
[QUOTE=Bandito]I understand what you are saying and it makes sense. But there are a lot of cultures besides one based on christianism (Occidental culture) so there are going to be a lot of views on what diety is the "God" based on what they seen throughout the ages. At the end of the day nobody know what's out there.
Heck I think that God doesn't exist and when we die we go back to the Earth and come back as something else. (To make it short; reincarnation, we go back to the basic elements and we transform into something else, we become food for the worms, we are enegry so we in essence never get destroyed we just change, etc...)[/QUOTE]
I understand, different cultures and religions been divided since tha biblical times, its just thatwe gotta do right from wrong, which iz really hard but we gotta try at least, and its just how im figuring this world out and life experiences and what I go thru that let me know God iz real, just like satan iz real, people get blessed for doing good or they will reap for doing bad basically, and thats definitely spiritually no matter what anybody says. Tha last thing u dont want to happen either iz to think theres no heaven or hell, cuz if u think theres no heaven then u lost automatically and it would be too late to change your mind.
lol
I think this is an excellent video on the origin of the origin of the Judeo-Christian god. I have posted it a few times before. But when people start this discussion they rarely if ever try to find out where their god came from. God may exist, but I strongly doubt he is the one in the bible.
Part 1: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlnnWbkMlbg[/url]
Part 2: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPfFx9JTQl8[/url]
God is good.
God is great.
Let us thank him for our food.
[QUOTE=The Macho Man]Grow up![/QUOTE]
:lol
Sup guise. Let's argue about religion on the internet.
[QUOTE=Fresh Kid]I understand, different cultures and religions been divided since tha biblical times, its just thatwe gotta do right from wrong, which iz really hard but we gotta try at least, and its just how im figuring this world out and life experiences and what I go thru that let me know God iz real, just like satan iz real, people get blessed for doing good or they will reap for doing bad basically, and thats definitely spiritually no matter what anybody says. Tha last thing u dont want to happen either iz to think theres no heaven or hell, cuz if u think theres no heaven then u lost automatically and it would be too late to change your mind.[/QUOTE]
What experiences have led you to knowing that God is real? I'd genuinely like to know Fresh Kid. People of all different religions claim this, but they can't all be correct, right? These people all believe in different things that contradict the other's beliefs. Since they can't all be right, we can conclude that there is a lot of hallucination going on. I'm sure you would agree with me that Hindus, Muslims, etc. were hallucinating when they claim to have an experience with a god other than the Christian one, right?
So in other words, we don't know for certain that all religions are false, but what we do know is that the human mind is very susceptible to hallucination. No disagreement between us so far, right?
There's no reason that Christians are special and somehow immune from hallucination. This is not to say that God does not exist for a fact, because I can't say that, but Christianity is no different from any other religion in the sense that there is no real evidence to back it up, so Christianity is no more likely to be true than any other religion. All people of any religion have is their personal experiences, and if we are taking personal experience as real evidence then that means that every different god that people believe in is real. Obviously that's not what Christians believe though. They believe that there god is the only god, but if they were brought up with a different religion they would think that another god and religion were real based on whatever personal experiences they had. This is why faith is a terrible reason to believe in anything.
As far as Heaven goes, I don't mind not going. Try to think of the time before you were born. Was it a bad time? No. You didn't care that you weren't alive, because you didn't exist to care. I think it will be the same after we die. We won't exist so we won't be able to care that we're not in some Heaven. The idea of living forever in Heaven actually scared me more as a Christian child than the idea of Hell did, since it would seem you would go crazy of boredom after a while. 70 or 80 years of living sound like plenty to me, but I suppose if God turned me into a zombie who was constantly happy and couldn't get bored, I guess Heaven might be alright. If evidence is ever found for a Heaven, I'll accept that it's real, but not until then. I think most religious people are afraid of death and they believe they've signed a contract that helps them avoid the unavoidable, and this is why they don't spend much time or any time at all looking at opposing viewpoints. It would be unacceptable to them for them to be wrong about Heaven. The Universe doesn't care what we want though. Wanting to win the lottery really badly isn't going to make it any more likely.
When it comes to your question of who created everything, that's a bad question. No one created everything. Not knowing how everything came into existence does not mean that a conscious mind created it.
I'm not necessarily trying to change your mind here Fresh Kid, but it's good for you to understand your opponents position better so you can better defend your own position in the future. I get along fine with religious people in real life. Some of my friends are religious. My parents are hardcore Christians and I get along with them great. Cheers Fresh Kid :cheers:
Our father, who art on ISH
Jeff be thy name
Thy Kingdom come, thou shall be done
On ISH as it is in real life
Give us this day, our daily rep
And forgive us for trolling
As we forgive those who troll against us
And lead us not into temptation
But deliver us from Euroleague's crazed rants
For thine is the Kingdom
The mods and the glory
Since 1999
Amen
Real talk though, there's no way to know whether a higher power exists unless you die. And then you can't prove it because you're dead.
religion is for the brainwashed.
[QUOTE=DCL]religion is for the brainwashed.[/QUOTE]
This. Belief itself isn't though. I'm cool with people believing there's "something greater", call it god or whatever, out there. Don't agree with them, but if they keep it kinda private, it's alright. If on the other hand groups of people gather together for ancient magical rituals and literally think they're constantly talking to a supernatural being who also responds to them...sounds like a socially acceptable form of mental illness to me.
I even get why people like at least more modern interpretations of the Jesus myth, it's a beautiful story if theologians spin and twist the less smart things written in the bible a bit. It resonates even with me as a non believer, as it touches basic instincts and feelings most people have, whether religious or not.
But acting like you talk to magical bearded dude in the sky two times a day, and he actually gives a f*ck? Don't get it. Had to do it till I was old enough to decide it's not for me, and in retrospect I almost have to laugh at myself. But I was a kid, so what can you do...
OP proves the existence of god. Why else would something as stupid as him exist? Natural selection? That perfect a storm of stupidity? Impossible.
[quote=dr.hee]I've narrowed it down to a few candidates...
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You missed one.
[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY9HjNWbJvA"]How Great Is Our God - Kobe Bryant[/URL]
Doesn't matter if God's there or not.
I know for an absolute fact that the Devil exists. Or at least what Satan embodies.
[QUOTE=Fresh Kid]heaven or hell.[/QUOTE]
So you're saying your God created all other gods and has since sent all of those other gods to either heaven or hell?
It's kind of hilarious and sad at same time, atheists really think they are more intelligent because of what they believe. :lol
[QUOTE=Segatti]It's kind of hilarious and sad at same time, atheists really think they are more intelligent because of what they believe. :lol[/QUOTE]
They on average do have higher IQ and critical thinking abilities though.
But religious people usually treat each other with more decency and trust and have more fulfilling social lives/families.
And...
The smartest and intellectually gifted are prone to depression and feeling as if they don't belong
The happiest people live blisfully ignorant
The physically strongset people are sometimes some of the most insecure
The nicest people are often stepped on
The most financially productive people often have deep relational flaws
The people with the best relationships are often servile and stupid
The savants and artists of the world would be laughed at if they were trying to engage in a simple conversation (aspergers and autistics are overly represented)
Famous people can't even take a sh!t without being harassed.
Like the old saying goes "God Giveth God Taketh".
No worries to each their own. Choose your goals wisely and execute.
[QUOTE=JEFFERSON MONEY]But religious people usually treat each other with more decency and trust and have more fulfilling social lives/families.[/QUOTE]
Can you demonstrate any of that? In the US at least the divorce rate is far higher for Christians than it is for Atheists/Agnostics.
[QUOTE=Jakeh008]Who made God?[/QUOTE]
This
[QUOTE=FiveRings]What experiences have led you to knowing that God is real? I'd genuinely like to know Fresh Kid. People of all different religions claim this, but they can't all be correct, right? These people all believe in different things that contradict the other's beliefs. Since they can't all be right, we can conclude that there is a lot of hallucination going on. I'm sure you would agree with me that Hindus, Muslims, etc. were hallucinating when they claim to have an experience with a god other than the Christian one, right?
So in other words, we don't know for certain that all religions are false, but what we do know is that the human mind is very susceptible to hallucination. No disagreement between us so far, right?
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There's no reason that Christians are special and somehow immune from hallucination. This is not to say that God does not exist for a fact, because I can't say that, but Christianity is no different from any other religion in the sense that there is no real evidence to back it up, so Christianity is no more likely to be true than any other religion. All people of any religion have is their personal experiences, and if we are taking personal experience as real evidence then that means that every different god that people believe in is real. Obviously that's not what Christians believe though. They believe that there god is the only god, but if they were brought up with a different religion they would think that another god and religion were real based on whatever personal experiences they had. This is why faith is a terrible reason to believe in anything.
As far as Heaven goes, I don't mind not going. Try to think of the time before you were born. Was it a bad time? No. You didn't care that you weren't alive, because you didn't exist to care. I think it will be the same after we die. We won't exist so we won't be able to care that we're not in some Heaven. The idea of living forever in Heaven actually scared me more as a Christian child than the idea of Hell did, since it would seem you would go crazy of boredom after a while. 70 or 80 years of living sound like plenty to me, but I suppose if God turned me into a zombie who was constantly happy and couldn't get bored, I guess Heaven might be alright. If evidence is ever found for a Heaven, I'll accept that it's real, but not until then. I think most religious people are afraid of death and they believe they've signed a contract that helps them avoid the unavoidable, and this is why they don't spend much time or any time at all looking at opposing viewpoints. It would be unacceptable to them for them to be wrong about Heaven. The Universe doesn't care what we want though. Wanting to win the lottery really badly isn't going to make it any more likely.
When it comes to your question of who created everything, that's a bad question. No one created everything. Not knowing how everything came into existence does not mean that a conscious mind created it.
I'm not necessarily trying to change your mind here Fresh Kid, but it's good for you to understand your opponents position better so you can better defend your own position in the future. I get along fine with religious people in real life. Some of my friends are religious. My parents are hardcore Christians and I get along with them great. Cheers Fresh Kid :cheers:[/QUOTE]
Its basically experiences that anybody can go thru. Im just one of those many believers who picked up on it. Experiences like close deaths, 2nd chances in life that God gives us for not losing faith in him, not losing faith in something, or just catching a break that we deserved. Even tha government and illuminati which iz beyond real, sick, and scary, and thats what satan want us to think that God isnt real, life is a big party and a fairytale, dats part of tha big deception, we cant fall into that trap. Any situation we go through, we always have God talking to us or satan talk to us, or both, aka our conscience, we always have a choice to pick a side or not, like if u tryna decide on to go thru a situation that u know its bad but thats like satan encouraging u to go thru, and if tha situation iz a good thing a right choice than that's from God, but its all about spiritual discernment, which can be tricky at times, but once u get really deep in it then u will understand. Its not really even about religion, its about knowing whats right from wrong, I used to be a "pagan christian" but then I realized a lot of things didnt add up and extra stuff to go with it. im just a follower of God who believes in Christ, cuz various religions take it so far where its just crazy. we didnt knew heaven before we were born cuz we didnt exist of course and our soul wasnt here, now of course when we all die our souls will go somewhere, our soul wont stay in our body when we die that dont make any sense. At tha end of tha day people are going to believe in what they want, but remember when its too late its gonna be too late...