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I would take Jonny Flynn over both Rubio and Jennings
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Name: Jonny Flynn
Age: 19 (Feb. 6)
Position: Point Guard
Size: 6'0" 185
School: Syracuse (Sophomore)
2008 Stats: 18.1 ppg, 4.9 apg, 1.9 spg, 53.5 fg%, 38.6 3fg%
Accomplishments: New York Mr. Basketball, 3rd ranked pg out of the 2007 high school class (behind only Derrick Rose and Jerryd Bayless), 2007 McDonald's All-American, Big East Freshman of the Year, All Big East freshman Team, 3rd team freshman all-America, Most points by a Syracuse player in freshman debut (previously held by Carmelo Anthony), Member of 2006 USA Men's U18 National Team, Member of 2007 Men's U19 National Team
I watch a lot of college ball (check the forum) and this is no knock on Jennings and Rubio as I feel both of them will be great, but Flynn is the best of the 3.
[I]Offense[/I]: Takes very high percentage shots. Likes the 3 ball and has made NBA distance 3s with ease during college games. Penetrates and gets to the basket without a problem. Ballhandling is top notch. Great court vision delivering the ball to his teammates at the right time. Finishes with the big boys in the paint despite being small.
[I]Defense[/I]: Flynn gets right up in the chest of his defender. He pushes the opposing ball handler to center court game after game and dares them to go further. Gets into the passing lanes as his 2 steals per game show.
[I]Athleticism[/I]: [I]That boy got springs[/I]. Possibly the fastest pg in the nation, if not then definately fastest that will be in '09 draft.
[I]Clutch[/I]: Game winning 3 pointer vs. St. Joeseph's, 3 pointer to tie the game at the buzzer vs. Kansas, always wants to take the game wining shot.
[I]Character traits[/I]: For anyone concerned about attitutes and such....Was member of the National Honor Society at Niagara Falls High School, son of a pastor (hey it's gotta count for something, right? :oldlol:), great with the media
[I]Negatives[/I]: Only 6'0". May measure 5'11" without shoes at the draft. But so did DJ Augustin. Finishes strong among the big bodies for his size though.
And now for the highlights...
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnuyhezE-78&feature=related[/url] (Shows his quickness, passing/court vision, and 3 point range)
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWVG15WurR4&feature=related[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib6QeSQ2BT8[/url] (Sick pass, watch in high quality)
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnuyhezE-78&feature=related[/url]
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Re: I would take Jonny Flynn over both Rubio and Jennings
I like Johnny Flynn, but I'd take Harden, Rubio (won't declare), and Patrick Mills over him as far as guards go.
I think he's got star potential though, he plays with a lot of fire and has shown to be clutch. I would definitely take him if I was a lottery team.
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Re: I would take Jonny Flynn over both Rubio and Jennings
[QUOTE=Grinder]I like Johnny Flynn, but I'd take Harden, Jennings, Rubio (won't declare), and Patrick Mills over him as far as guards go.
I think he's got star potential though, he plays with a lot of fire and has shown to be clutch.[/QUOTE]
I would take Harden too, but I'm just going as far as pg's as Rubio and Jennings are rated at the top right now at the position. Mills is good, I like Flynn more though.
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Flynn reminds me of Rodney Stuckey a little bit. Looks promising but of course I don't follow college basketball so I have no idea how good he is.
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[QUOTE=w00terz]Flynn reminds me of Rodney Stuckey a little bit. Looks promising but of course I don't follow college basketball so I have no idea how good he is.[/QUOTE]
Stuckey has a lot more size. Flynn is more of a point than Stuckey.
If I had to compare Flynn 2 one player I guess I'd go Baron Davis (less bulk). But I really don't like to make player comparisons like that because you'll never find 2 exactly alike.
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Re: I would take Jonny Flynn over both Rubio and Jennings
Sad thing is that this kid will probably be drafted before he can play 4 years in college. I don't know much about this guy but a solid 4 years in college would really help his game.
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[QUOTE=RoseCity07]Sad thing is that this kid will probably be drafted before he can play 4 years in college. I don't know much about this guy but a solid 4 years in college would really help his game.[/QUOTE]
As it would anyone. I would recommend 3+ years of college to any player. Point I'm trying to get across: Rubio/Jennings are getting more hype than a player who's better than them playing right here on our home grounds.
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[quote=Posterize246]Stuckey has a lot more size. Flynn is more of a point than Stuckey.
If I had to compare Flynn 2 one player I guess I'd go Baron Davis (less bulk). But I really don't like to make player comparisons like that because you'll never find 2 exactly alike.[/quote]
Ha, Baron Davis is the first person that came to my mind as well. A shorter, less bulky B-Diddy.
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Re: I would take Jonny Flynn over both Rubio and Jennings
[QUOTE=Posterize246]Stuckey has a lot more size. Flynn is more of a point than Stuckey.
If I had to compare Flynn 2 one player I guess I'd go Baron Davis (less bulk). But I really don't like to make player comparisons like that because you'll never find 2 exactly alike.[/QUOTE]
True. He does look like he has a similar style of play.
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Re: I would take Jonny Flynn over both Rubio and Jennings
Just another interesting stat:
Flynn was co-freshman of the year in the Big East, getting the award over fellow teammate Donte Green (28th pick of '08 draft).
Also, Flynn's conditioning is top notch as he averaged 39.2 mpg in conference play (college games are 40 mpg) which was 4th in the nation.
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Re: I would take Jonny Flynn over both Rubio and Jennings
[QUOTE=Posterize246][IMG]http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/image/2007/11/21/op4t-3111.jpg[/IMG]
Name: Jonny Flynn
Age: 19 (Feb. 6)
Position: Point Guard
Size: 6'0" 185
School: Syracuse (Sophomore)
2008 Stats: 18.1 ppg, 4.9 apg, 1.9 spg, 53.5 fg%, 38.6 3fg%
Accomplishments: New York Mr. Basketball, 3rd ranked pg out of the 2007 high school class (behind only Derrick Rose and Jerryd Bayless), 2007 McDonald's All-American, Big East Freshman of the Year, All Big East freshman Team, 3rd team freshman all-America, Most points by a Syracuse player in freshman debut (previously held by Carmelo Anthony), Member of 2006 USA Men's U18 National Team, Member of 2007 Men's U19 National Team
I watch a lot of college ball (check the forum) and this is no knock on Jennings and Rubio as I feel both of them will be great, but Flynn is the best of the 3.
[I]Offense[/I]: Takes very high percentage shots. Likes the 3 ball and has makes NBA distance 3s with ease during college games. Penetrates and gets to the basket without a problem. Ballhandling is top notch. Great court vision delivering the ball to his teammates at the right time. Finishes with the big boys in the paint despite being small.
[I]Defense[/I]: Flynn gets right up in the chest of his defender. He pushes the opposing ball handler to center court game after game and dares them to go further. Gets into the passing lanes as his 2 steals per game show.
[I]Athleticism[/I]: [I]That boy got springs[/I]. Possibly the fastest pg in the nation, if not then definately fastest that will be in '09 draft.
[I]Clutch[/I]: Game winning 3 pointer vs. St. Joeseph's, 3 pointer to tie the game at the buzzer vs. Kansas, always wants to take the game wining shot.
[I]Character traits[/I]: For anyone concerned about attitutes and such....Was member of the National Honor Society at Niagara Falls High School, son of a pastor (hey it's gotta count for something, right? :oldlol:), great with the media
[I]Negatives[/I]: Only 6'0". May measure 5'11" without shoes at the draft. But so did DJ Augustin. Finishes strong among the big bodies for his size though.
And now for the highlights...
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnuyhezE-78&feature=related[/url] (Shows his quickness, passing/court vision, and 3 point range)
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWVG15WurR4&feature=related[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib6QeSQ2BT8[/url] (Sick pass, watch in high quality)
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnuyhezE-78&feature=related[/url][/QUOTE]
Agreed. :cheers: Flynn is my favorite point guard not in the NBA yet.
BTW, Andy Rautins tonight hitting 9 treys! For those that made their way to the Dome with over two feet of snow on the ground it was all worth it.
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[QUOTE=CelticForce1349]Agreed. :cheers: Flynn is my favorite point guard not in the NBA yet.
BTW, Andy Rautins tonight hitting 9 treys! For those that made their way to the Dome with over two feet of snow on the ground it was all worth it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I saw that box score. Rautins went off. Flynn with 10 assists. :cheers:
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Re: I would take Jonny Flynn over both Rubio and Jennings
man flynn and paul harris are amazing. they were a hell of a duo back in high school.
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more Flynn highlights...
[url]http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?brand=null&videoId=3784321&n8pe6c=2[/url] (takes over the game vs. Memphis, watch how easily he blows by defenders)
[url]http://video.aol.com/partner/cbs/a-new-passion-for-jonny-flynn/txxSqtj0KLrMFkEmNsaOV6wqGvN0YRnF[/url] ("ping pong is my everything":oldlol: ) that competitveness!
[url]http://syracuse.fandome.com/video/106849/Syracuse-Shocks-Kansas-In-OT-89-81/[/url] (shows off the hops and clutch 3 to tie the game at the buzzer to send to OT)
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Re: I would take Jonny Flynn over both Rubio and Jennings
Johnny Flynn and Manny Harris - two of the most underrated [sophomore] players in the NCAA. Love watching both of these guys play, whoever picks them up in the draft will be in for a pleasant NBA ready surprise.
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Re: I would take Jonny Flynn over both Rubio and Jennings
Rubio 100%, so much maturity for someone his age. He started his pro career in Spain when he was 15. He could lead an NBA team already.
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Re: I would take Jonny Flynn over both Rubio and Jennings
I watched this guy play the other day. He was impressive.... but puting him on Baron Davis's level of explosiveness is a little much.
I think they did say he was playing hurt though?
I didn't watch him much his freshman year, as it seems Syracuse is getting less and less national exposure since they have been visiting the NIT the past few years.
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I would take Jennings over Flynn, but I love Flynn. Height is overrated.
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Only reason Flynn won't be a lottery pick is because he's probably going to measure at 5'10" when he hits the predraft camp. If he was a legit 6'2" he'd be the first PG taken this coming draft.
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Re: I would take Jonny Flynn over both Rubio and Jennings
[QUOTE=Da KO King]Only reason Flynn won't be a lottery pick is because he's probably going to measure at 5'10" when he hits the predraft camp. If he was a legit 6'2" he'd be the first PG taken this coming draft.[/QUOTE]
I have stood next to Flynn, (spare me the "pics or it didn't happen" routine) and since I am nearly 6ft3 ( certainly 6ft2 or taller) Flynn can't be any less than 6ft to my eyes. He might be as tall as 6ft 1.
Just for the record the guy is very likable as a person. Flynn is friendly, unassuming, and a little bit of a joker, he seems to genuinely like to make people laugh. Good kid all the way, and a ton of talent too. :bowdown:
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[QUOTE=CelticForce1349]I have stood next to Flynn, (spare me the "pics or it didn't happen" routine) and since I am nearly 6ft3 ( certainly 6ft2 or taller) Flynn can't be any less than 6ft to my eyes. He might be as tall as 6ft 1.
Just for the record the guy is very likable as a person. Flynn is friendly, unassuming, and a little bit of a joker, he seems to genuinely like to make people laugh. Good kid all the way, and a ton of talent too. :bowdown:[/QUOTE]
Pics or it didn't happen.
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Re: I would take Jonny Flynn over both Rubio and Jennings
[QUOTE=Da KO King]Only reason Flynn won't be a lottery pick is because he's probably going to measure at 5'10" when he hits the predraft camp. If he was a legit 6'2" he'd be the first PG taken this coming draft.[/QUOTE]
of course, if he was 6'2 he'd be #1 overall arguably, so gay how they look so much into height.
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[QUOTE=w00terz]Flynn reminds me of Rodney Stuckey a little bit. Looks promising but of course I don't follow college basketball so I have no idea how good he is.[/QUOTE]
Yeah maybe but the reason Stuckey has been effective is due to his size.
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I think he'll be one of those 5'11" barefoot guys like Augustin was this year.
What separates Flynn is his defense. He really gets low in his stance and doesn't let his man get by him. You HAVE to set screens on him.
Right now he's probably in the 15-20 range in the first round (Da ko king might know more). And yes if he was 6'2" he'd be in the Rubio/Jennings "top pg in the draft" discussion.
Funny how scouts think you need to be 6'2 to defend NBA pg's and he's the best defender of the 3.
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Re: I would take Jonny Flynn over both Rubio and Jennings
I'd take Ty Lawson and Patrick Mills over Flynn, maybe even Calathes.
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[QUOTE=Posterize246]I think he'll be one of those 5'11" barefoot guys like Augustin was this year.
What separates Flynn is his defense. He really gets low in his stance and doesn't let his man get by him. You HAVE to set screens on him.
Right now he's probably in the 15-20 range in the first round (Da ko king might know more). And yes if he was 6'2" he'd be in the Rubio/Jennings "top pg in the draft" discussion.
Funny how scouts think you need to be 6'2 to defend NBA pg's and he's the best defender of the 3.[/QUOTE]
I agree.
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[QUOTE]I would take Jonny Flynn over both Rubio and Jennings[/QUOTE]
then you're screwed
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Re: I would take Jonny Flynn over both Rubio and Jennings
I love watching this kid play, he has so much poise. Even now I would still take Jennings because if he managed to fill out just a little bit he would be very hard to stop defensively. I would take Flynn over Rubio however simply because I don't see Rubio's game translating well to the NBA.
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Re: I would take Jonny Flynn over both Rubio and Jennings
[QUOTE=kidachi]then you're screwed[/QUOTE]
For some reason I doubt you've watched all 3 play away from highlights. Not trying to start something against you, but not many people have.
What's something that Rubio/Jennings are CLEARLY better at than Flynn? I'd give Jennings the athleticism advantage but as far as talent there isn't 1 aspect of their game that's clearly better.
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love this kid's game...great competitor, great defender, and making good decisions so far at the point on offense...they seem to be running smoother w/o donte greene...
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Re: I would take Jonny Flynn over both Rubio and Jennings
Hmmm hes solid but im not sure i see what you guys see in this kid.
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[QUOTE=eprizzle14]Hmmm hes solid but im not sure i see what you guys see in this kid.[/QUOTE]
please please
Brandon Jennings at Arizona the dude would be a team cancer averaging about 30ppg a game dont compare this scrub to jennings
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[QUOTE=lilojmayo]please please
Brandon Jennings at Arizona the dude would be a team cancer averaging about 30ppg a game dont compare this scrub to jennings[/QUOTE]
Jonny Flynn is better than Brandon Jennings at every facet of the game.
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Re: I would take Jonny Flynn over both Rubio and Jennings
[QUOTE=Da KO King]Jonny Flynn is better than Brandon Jennings at every facet of the game.[/QUOTE]
I've got backup in Da KO King! :cheers:
Here's how I break it down between the 3...
[U]Handles[/U]
Flynn
Jennings
Rubio
[U]Shooting[/U]
Flynn
Jennings
Rubio
[U]Court Vision[/U]
Rubio
Flynn
Jennings
[U]Athleticism[/U]
Jennings
Flynn
Rubio
[U]Dribble Penetration[/U]
Flynn
Jennings
Rubio
[U]Defense[/U]
Flynn
Jennings
Rubio
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Re: I would take Jonny Flynn over both Rubio and Jennings
[QUOTE=Posterize246]I've got backup in Da KO King! :cheers:
Here's how I break it down between the 3...
[U]Athleticism[/U]
Jennings
Flynn
Rubio
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Honestly I can't even give Brandon Jennings a clear advantage in athleticism. Jonny Flynn is stronger in both the upper and lower body while being in the same class as Jennings in terms of speed and quickness.
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[QUOTE=Posterize246]I've got backup in Da KO King! :cheers:
Here's how I break it down between the 3...
[B][U]Handles[/U]
Flynn
Jennings
Rubio
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[U]Shooting[/U]
Flynn
Jennings
Rubio
[B][U]Court Vision[/U]
Rubio
Flynn
Jennings[/B]
[U]Athleticism[/U]
Jennings
Flynn
Rubio
[U]Dribble Penetration[/U]
Flynn
Jennings
Rubio
[U]Defense[/U]
Flynn
Jennings
Rubio[/QUOTE]
you cant be serious.
if jennings was at arizona, he would be dropping 25-32 a game...did you see what he AVGED in high school he has so many team records and look who went to his high school.
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[QUOTE=brandonislegend]you cant be serious.
[B]if jennings was at arizona, he would be dropping 25-32 a game[/B]...did you see what he AVGED in high school he has so many team records and look who went to his high school.[/QUOTE]
you just proved yourself to be an idiot. only 3 players in college ball this year are averaging 25+ ppg, and none of them play for a school in a power conference like Arizona.
who cares what he would average? Derrick Rose averaged 15 ppg, Michael Beasley averaged 26 ppg. which one would you take? :confusedshrug:
ppg has nothing to do with who is the better player
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[QUOTE=Da KO King]Honestly I can't even give Brandon Jennings a clear advantage in athleticism. Jonny Flynn is stronger in both the upper and lower body while being in the same class as Jennings in terms of speed and quickness.[/QUOTE]
Speed and quickness I'd say they're the same. Jennings just has the advantage in leaping ability, so I give it to him.
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Re: I would take Jonny Flynn over both Rubio and Jennings
Defense - Rubio is last???
Come on dude, defense is arguably the best part of Rubio's game. As a 16 year old he was averaging 3.2 steals per game in only 18 minutes of play.
Rubio's handles are better than Jenning as well, he took him off the dribble with pretty much one hand easily in the few minutes they were against each and other and then forced Jennings into a few turnovers.
Other than that, looks pretty good.