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Sons of Anarchy Season 4
I figured there are enough fans on here to have a discussion about it.
Who watched tonights episode? It looks like the entire club is falling apart unless we're being tricked into believing it like last season and they all come together again at the end.
But I don't know. So now Clay talked Romeo (Danny Trejo, leader of the cartel) into taking out Tara. Unser is trying to protect Tara but I wonder if it's just for her safety or if it's to save both of them? If he can scare off Tara to get rid of the original letters and then perhaps run off with the kids then everything might be fine for now at least.
If we are being tricked again and they're really all into it and have a plan again I'll be more shocked than the season 3 finale.
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Unser is obviously trying to protect Tara. He knows what Clay is capable of and knows his intentions just from that brief talk they had outside the shop.
I was really worried when I saw someone typing that letter, but then when I saw it was Unser, I knew Tara would be protected.
Only way SAMCRO comes out on top again at the end of the Season is if they double cross the cartel, but that seems way too risky. Juice will eventually rat out the cartel, maybe leading to their arrest and ending the relationship SAMCRO has with them. If this happens, then maybe it forces Clay's hand to deal with Tara himself, and this will probably be how the season ends, with Jax learning of the truth about his father and the truth about what Clay was trying to do.
Seeing as the Clay/Teller thing is the big story behind the show, and how it's all soon coming to a head, I can honestly see this show going at least one more season. Maybe two.
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Kurt Sutter said that by the end of season 4 it's going to feel like the end of the series. But he wants it to go to 7 seasons at the most. This is the beginning of the end though.
I wonder if/when Jax finds out about Clay what he'll do. I think breaking Clay's hands and kicking him out of the club will be it. I think that would hurt Clay more than just shooting him. Kicking him out of the only thing he's known. That's only if Clay is stopped before Tara is taken out. If Tara is taken out by the cartel and Jax finds out then Clay is done.
I just wonder how different the show is going to be in seasons 5-7. Will Jax leave the club or if he finds out everything will he stay with Clay gone and finally him and Opie will take the club back and head in the right direction.
It's weird though. When the show started, Jax was questioning Clay and acting more like John Teller but now Jax is way more like Clay than he is JT.
No creepy ATF guy tonight. I really wonder what his role in all of this is going to be.
Oh and the season 4 finale is going to be a two hour show. :rockon:
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Also, what is up with Jax and the way he walks and dresses? He looks like some hip hop Eminem type biker. He wears baggy pants and white gym shoes. lol. Everyone else looks like legit bikers except for him. I could maybe understand it in the first couple of seasons since he wasn't really trying to be like the other guys. But it's just ridiculous now.
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And I hope I'm not alone here, but I was kinda hoping Juice would've gotten popped square in the head for what he did. I liked that guy Miles for some reason. Seemed more the biker type. Juice acts too much like a clown and had guilt written all over his face the past two episodes.
If he was a real man and real 1%'er, he would've told that sheriff to f*ck off
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Yeah Juice is another guy who just doesn't look like a legit biker and what he did sucked. I don't like the way his character was written this season. How could he be so stupid to take the drugs and then fall asleep in the grass right near the warehouse? Just too stupid.
They should have at least had him in tonights episode grab the drugs and then ride off and find the sheriff. I know it was too late at that point to try and talk about the situation with the club. He should have done that first.
Like I said maybe there's a plan here though and this is part of a way to get out of their deal with the cartel.
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I just found out Kurt Sutter plays Otto
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[QUOTE=ConanRulesNBC]Yeah Juice is another guy who just doesn't look like a legit biker and what he did sucked. I don't like the way his character was written this season. How could he be so stupid to take the drugs and then fall asleep in the grass right near the warehouse? Just too stupid.[/QUOTE]
LOL that was stupid as hell. He slept for like 10 hours underneath that tree :lol
As far as Jax goes, that's just his style. I'm sure every biker gang out there has a bunch of members in his same style. There's a few guys I don't think make good bikers, Juice being one of them and Bobby. LOL what season was it where that fat ass Bobby ran off the road and into a ditch?? :oldlol: Or was that Tig??
I also can't stand that fat bastard prospect. Biggest p*ssy I've ever seen, plus he looks like he's right out of high school. I liked the other prospect though. That part where he held the gun up to his head and started screaming....good shit.
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[quote=Patrick Chewing]I also can't stand that fat bastard prospect. Biggest p*ssy I've ever seen, plus he looks like he's right out of high school. I liked the other prospect though. That part where he held the gun up to his head and started screaming....good shit.[/quote]Seriously, where'd that dude come from? Have I just not been paying attention? I honestly have never noticed him previously.
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[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]Seriously, where'd that dude come from? Have I just not been paying attention? I honestly have never noticed him previously.[/QUOTE]
I think Sutter screwed up though, cause that prospect was introduced last season, and apparently more than a year has passed between last season and this one, and he still hasn't been patched yet. I'm no expert on MC rules, but I think he would've been patched by now. Either way, I hope he gets killed off soon by somebody, or at least chokes on a hamburger. I mean c'mon, he's got the curly fro and wears glasses....damn.
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[quote=Patrick Chewing]I think Sutter screwed up though, cause that prospect was introduced last season, and apparently more than a year has passed between last season and this one, and he still hasn't been patched yet. I'm no expert on MC rules, but I think he would've been patched by now. Either way, I hope he gets killed off soon by somebody, or at least chokes on a hamburger. I mean c'mon, he's got the curly fro and wears glasses....damn.[/quote]No no, not the fat ****, I'm talking about the skinny little Sol Starr from Deadwood looking guy that put the gun to his head and screamed during Russian roulette.
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:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
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[QUOTE=InspiredLebowski]No no, not the fat ****, I'm talking about the skinny little Sol Starr from Deadwood looking guy that put the gun to his head and screamed during Russian roulette.[/QUOTE]
LOL "Ratboy" is his name on the show. His real name is Niko Nikotera. Only been on 3 episodes and was introduced this season as a new prospect. So far I like his role as the borderline lunatic.
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Good question would Juice being half black get him kciked out of the sons??
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lmao... the fat prospect is so pathetic it's kind of funny. He should not be in a MC. He looks like he should be stocking shelves at a Toys R Us or mall security.
I want to see him in action. He looks like he'll get his ass kicked. Though he did show some balls in tonights episode pulling that trigger.
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[QUOTE=Saintsfan1992]Good question would Juice being half black get him kciked out of the sons??[/QUOTE]
It's hard to tell with SOA. Kurt Sutter said that he wanted to go in that direction this season because race does play a big factor in MC's. But it's hard to tell with SAMCRO.
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Oh and I also read that Sutter has said that he might not be following Hamlet anymore. He said he followed that the first season especially but now that SOA has gotten so big he's taking it in a different direction. Which I like because now it's totally unpredictable.
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[QUOTE=ConanRulesNBC]It's hard to tell with SOA. Kurt Sutter said that he wanted to go in that direction this season because race does play a big factor in MC's. But it's hard to tell with SAMCRO.[/QUOTE]
Im sure SAMCRO would not really give a damn.
at least since they have had so much history (juice n' crew)
I mean they also work with Hispanics blacks irish asian etc...
so I dont really see a big deal.
but organizations around them might.
idk how that Biker life style operates.
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Sutter was saying how some MC's are open to working with other clubs of different races but that doesn't mean they're open to other races being in their own club.
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[QUOTE=ConanRulesNBC]Sutter was saying how some MC's are open to working with other clubs of different races but that doesn't mean they're open to other races being in their own club.[/QUOTE]
seems about right.
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I think Chibs has suspicion that juice took the coke. I like Clay, but that guy would kill anyone just to save his ass, he doesn't care who it is.
I didn't see miles death coming, juice popped a few bullets with that glock.
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HA's are some cool white boys.
They were the only ones that guaranteed delivery pre 9-11.
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Can't wait till Jax tears Clays head off. Also props to old man for popping Otto.
can't blame otto and jax for tapping that porn star......she's easily the best looking chick in this tv show .......then jax ruined it.
oh and juice turned out to be a retard. thought his character was smarter than what tonight showed.
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[QUOTE=Saintsfan1992]Good question would Juice being half black get him kciked out of the sons??[/QUOTE]
pretty sure it'll get him killed.
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Smart movve by Unser with that note. I think he is the most likely candidate to get killed in this season. I hope he tells Jax about Clay soon and Jax goes on a rampage.
Great episode tho, this season has been awesome.
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I coulda swore there was already another thread on this, but whatever.
This season has been spectacular. I really did feel like the show got a little stagnant through season two and most of season three, but after last season's incredible season finale, the show has really hit a new gear.
A few of the thoughts I've had from the previous thread:
I haven't seen much if any evidence that the club would be opposed to Juice being half black. If memory serves there's been some latino members in other chapters. And I was under the impression Juice was latino anyway. But it was a nice touch having Juice go to Chibs for his opinion since Chibs had the black wife. But between working with other races, marrying other races, it's like this hardlined race rule just sort of came out of nowhere as a motive to extort one of the characters. And it just doesn't make a ton of sense. He could have easily gone to the gang and said he just found out that he was half black.
Generally speaking, the acting is pretty good. But man Jax is sometimes tough to swallow. The pouty lip smacking and exagerated strutting is just out of hand.
Ron Pearlman and Katie Segal are both spectacular. And one of the issues I felt the show has had in the past is that a lot of the other characters have been pretty one dimensional. But this season has seen a lot of fleshing out. Opie already had some depth to him. But now we're getting Piney developed into a fuller character. Bobby Elvis is being fleshed out even more. And last night you got a lot more on Tig, who's been little more than a flat psychopath for most of the series.
One thing that sticks out to me all the time is that they're rebel outlaws, but they all are always certain to wear their helmets. I'm sure it's related to some legal issue with the network, but it always strikes me as odd to see them all about to rip off angry and take that extra time to strap on their helmet.
And to me, it had felt to me like it will be difficult for the show to continue much further. The Clay JT dynamic has always been the underlying story of the show, and now as it's being brought to the forefront, I'm afraid how the show will carry on once it's resolved, and it's come to far this year to not get some kind of resolution. I could concievably see another season next year where Jax, and Opie, as a result of Clay coming down on his father, sort of sucede from the crew and you get a year of civil war. Otherwise they're gonna have to come up with a complete stunner to keep stringing me along ... like Tara and Piney both somehow dieing and taking their secret to the grave, and their deaths being misdirected toward someone else, ala Opie wife.
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The helmet thing is for realism I suppose. California law is anyone and everyone must wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle even bikers.
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[QUOTE=Thorpesaurous]The seem okay about not following those murder, gun running, and drug smuggling laws.
It's not a big deal, it just doesn't look right to me.[/QUOTE]
Well when you're a murdering gun running drug smuggler probably not a good idea to draw unwanted attention. Ha
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This episode might have been the turning point of the entire series.
There is no way Jax doesn't find out the truth next week about everything.
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Damn, I think that branch broke off.
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Yeah, I think Juice will come clean to the club and the club won't even hurt him or even kick him out but use this to their advantage against Roosevelt and Potter.
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I knew Potter was dirty, I just didn't know how. Roosevelt may end up turning on him and helping out the club someway, somehow.
And lol, if I was Gemma, I wouldn't want that fat nerd prospect watching my house. :lol
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I was hoping that Potter wasn't going to become another typical ATF agent like Kohn and Stahl. His character seemed much more interesting at the beginning of the season.
I think there's still more to him but he's definitely a piece of crap for what he's doing to Roosevelt and Juice.
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I love how the level of violence is just right in the show. Like when they broke into that Mexican's apartment, I wasn't expecting the other to come out from the back room. Then he blasts the lady on the couch and gets blasted in return.
And yeah, Clay is slowly losing his power here. He's making enemies, and they are all inside the club it seems. He's neck deep in this cartel shit and he basically hired a hitman to eliminate Tara. If he isn't dead or out of the club and far, far away by the end of the season, then I don't know what's up.
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Another awesome episode. Next week looks like it will be insane. It took some serious balls for Bobby to challenge Clay.
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Clay will have to divert the blame for this stuff to someone else, just like he did with Opie's wife in blaming the 69ers.
I could see him rallying the club around the notion of this competitor cartel coming after them. Admitting some mistake in getting involved, and keeping his history hidden away for some time further. I fully expect Piney to get it soon.
I sort of like the idea of Juice dieing here. It makes the show feel more dangerous, as if fewer people are safe. But I have a feeling he'll somehow survive. Chibs and Tig may make it there just in time. Then they'll have to question where all his guilt is coming from.
Impetious move by Bobby, albeit ballsy. The only person he has to know will side with him is Piney. I can't imagine someone voting against him for the simple fact of retribution should he not be ousted.
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If Jax were to campaign for a vote, then I would see no problem witth him winning. Bobby, Opie, Piney, and Jax would be 4 and Chibbs always sides with Jax. I doubt that happens tho, its likely that Jax will support Clay's leadership because of their deal.
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I can't see it happening either. I can't picture Clay as the VP. I don't think he could handle it..
So a member can ask to vote for a new leader just like that? Any time they want?
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[QUOTE=ConanRulesNBC]Yeah, I think Juice will come clean to the club and the club won't even hurt him or even kick him out but use this to their advantage against Roosevelt and Potter.[/QUOTE]
It's almost the same exact storyline as before. Potter is Kahn. Roosevelt is becoming Unser. And Juice is in the same role Gemma was. And last time it was Jax doing the manipulating, that character hasn't been introduced yet.
They're of differing levels of their roles, like Roosevelt isn't nearly as sympathetic as Unser was, but they're still kind of falling into the same layout.