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L.Kizzle 06-14-2011 12:32 AM

JASON KIDD -vs- DIRK NOWITZKI: Who U Got?
 
Who is the greater player, and why??





10 All-Star
5 All-NBA 1st Teams
1 All-NBA 2nd Team
4 All-Defensive 1st Teams
5 All-Defensive 2nd Teams
5 Time Assist Champ
1 NBA Title
3 Finals Appearances


High Avg
18.7 ppg | 8.2 rpg | 10.8 ast | 2.3 stl




1 MVP
10 All-Star
4 All-NBA 1st Teams
5 All-NBA 2nd Teams
2 All-NBA 3rd Teams
1 NBA Title
1 Finals MVP
2 Finals Appearances

High Avg
26.6 ppg | 9.9 rpg | 3.5 ast | 1.5 blk

tpols 06-14-2011 12:35 AM

Re: JASON KIDD -vs- DIRK NOWITZKI: Who U Got?
 
Jason Kidd was a better peak player.. while Dirk has maintained his dominance for a much longer time. If I had to pick one for my team I'd pick Dirk because he would keep my team relevant for a really long time.

L.Kizzle 06-14-2011 12:39 AM

Re: JASON KIDD -vs- DIRK NOWITZKI: Who U Got?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tpols
Jason Kidd was a better peak player.. while Dirk has maintained his dominance for a much longer time. If I had to pick one for my team I'd pick Dirk because he would keep my team relevant for a really long time.

How is that, Kidd's first All-Star team was in '96, his most recent was last season ... Seems like he has maintained his dominance for a while.

knightfall88 06-14-2011 12:40 AM

Re: JASON KIDD -vs- DIRK NOWITZKI: Who U Got?
 
I would go with the 2nd best PG of all time

Kiarip 06-14-2011 12:42 AM

Re: JASON KIDD -vs- DIRK NOWITZKI: Who U Got?
 
Kidd is 4th best PG of all time (after stockton, magic, isaiah,) and Dirk is 4th best PF of all time (after barkley malone, duncan) ???

Kidd has definitely been pretty amazing for good period of time in his career. I think they're even-ish right now, but obviously since Dirk is way more relevant, he'll come out on top career-wise.

As for who I'd build a team around in their peak... probably kidd. Probably the second most versatile point guard after Magic, and I feel like versatility is the by far the best quality for a team's main ball-handler, meanwhile not every team needs a shooting PF, although it definitely is unique ability for a man his size, and as we have seen it can lead to a championship, I don't think that it's a necessary skill for your big-man.

Miserio 06-14-2011 12:53 AM

Re: JASON KIDD -vs- DIRK NOWITZKI: Who U Got?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by L.Kizzle
How is that, Kidd's first All-Star team was in '96, his most recent was last season ... Seems like he has maintained his dominance for a while.

He played great but wasn't dominant

bizil 06-14-2011 03:28 AM

Re: JASON KIDD -vs- DIRK NOWITZKI: Who U Got?
 
Damn it's kinda hard to compare a PG to a PF. But both in their primes is tough to call. As stated earlier, Kidd could do so many things for you. But Kidd was lacking that Batman scoring takeover ability. Other PG's like GP, Magic, Zeke, Big O, Frazier, Tiny, and even Nash to an extent showed this more than J Kidd. Even PG's like D-Will and Paul show it. But Kidd was so talented and a true PG so you can't hold that against him to much. He's among the top 3-5 passers, 3-5 defenders and top 3 rebounder ever at PG. Kinda hard to go against that for your PG.

But Dirk is truly a revolutionary player who can carry a team. There has never been a 7 footer like Dirk. He wasn't as dominant in typical PF areas like rebounding or D. But the way he can score the ball and the manner he does it in puts him in his own category. U gotta remember that the only stat that guarantees a W in bball is points. So in that sense a guy like Dirk is gonna standout. I think JKidd and Dirk are both top 30 of all time type of players. As far as who would u rather have would depend on what I would need. Legacy wise, both are gonna rank around the same area for their respective positions. I hate to get off topic, but those who say Dirk is CLEARLY above KG in all time PF rankings need to reexamine that line of thinking. It's arguable but it's not a lock that Dirk legacy wise is over KG.

Mrofir 06-14-2011 03:31 AM

Re: JASON KIDD -vs- DIRK NOWITZKI: Who U Got?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiarip
Kidd is 4th best PG of all time (after stockton, magic, isaiah,) and Dirk is 4th best PF of all time (after barkley malone, duncan) ???

Kidd has definitely been pretty amazing for good period of time in his career. I think they're even-ish right now, but obviously since Dirk is way more relevant, he'll come out on top career-wise.

As for who I'd build a team around in their peak... probably kidd. Probably the second most versatile point guard after Magic, and I feel like versatility is the by far the best quality for a team's main ball-handler, meanwhile not every team needs a shooting PF, although it definitely is unique ability for a man his size, and as we have seen it can lead to a championship, I don't think that it's a necessary skill for your big-man.



I really don't think Barkley and Malone can just be assumed to be ahead of Dirk. And Dirk isnt done yet.

Mr. Jabbar 06-14-2011 03:32 AM

Re: JASON KIDD -vs- DIRK NOWITZKI: Who U Got?
 
great thread. Both such fantastic players.

Collie 06-14-2011 03:54 AM

Re: JASON KIDD -vs- DIRK NOWITZKI: Who U Got?
 
In the end, I believe history will favor Dirk. He was the one who led this team to the championship, and his teams also accomplished more. Even now, a lot of people consider Dirk a top 20 all time player. Not many people will consider Kidd that.

Bigsmoke 06-14-2011 05:13 AM

Re: JASON KIDD -vs- DIRK NOWITZKI: Who U Got?
 
nowitzki

he is and was just better.

thomaspynchon 06-14-2011 06:46 AM

Re: JASON KIDD -vs- DIRK NOWITZKI: Who U Got?
 
I love Kidd but this isn't even a legit argument

get these NETS 06-14-2011 07:55 AM

Re: JASON KIDD -vs- DIRK NOWITZKI: Who U Got?
 
Kidd all day


great scorers aren't that rare



what kidd does well and his all around game haven't been seen in the league and will never be


dirk elevated his play this season....but there have been players with similar skills, if not height


olympic usa team NEVER lost a gold medal with kidd as point guard, he carried an abysmal franchise to the nba championship.....with a team of offensively limited players...


EVERY great player of past 20 years would have loved to play with kidd

WADE MONEY 06-14-2011 08:00 AM

Re: JASON KIDD -vs- DIRK NOWITZKI: Who U Got?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by knightfall88
I would go with the 2nd best PG of all time


magic stockton isaiah

get these NETS 06-14-2011 08:02 AM

Re: JASON KIDD -vs- DIRK NOWITZKI: Who U Got?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrofir
I really don't think Barkley and Malone can just be assumed to be ahead of Dirk. And Dirk isnt done yet.

come on.man

pf is a scoring and rebounding position


dirk is a unique player...great scorer....but let's not get carried away


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