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TennesseeFan 10-14-2010 12:53 PM

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This team is a Final Four contender. Look at this roster.

PG/SG Melvin Goins
SG/SF Scotty Hopson (HS AA)
SG/SF Cameron Tatum
PG/SG/SF/PF Tobias Harris (HS AA)
PF/C Brian Williams

And our impressive depth:
Josh Bone
Kenny Hall
Trae Golden
Renaldo Woolridge
Skylar McBee
Jordan McRae
Steven Pearl (Bruce Pearl's son)
Tyler Summit (Pat Summit's son)





BEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTT

timlush 10-14-2010 06:01 PM

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3rd place in SEC east.

TennesseeFan 10-14-2010 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by timlush
3rd place in SEC east.


1st place. Kentucky is young, and eventually going to have sanctions that haunt them for a long time, and Florida can't compete. Tobias Harris is the best player in the SEC.

TheGame414 10-15-2010 12:01 AM

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Florida can't compete? They return their entire starting lineup and add a guy just as good as Harris in Patric Young.

Plus, there's not much chance their scumbag coach will be fired anytime soon, which gives them a leg up on Tennessee.

The Vols should be pretty good- I think I had them 19th in my Top 25- but I'd slow down on putting them head and shoulders above Kentucky or Florida. Third place in the SEC East won't be anything to be ashamed of.

AxionJaxion 10-15-2010 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by timlush
3rd place in SEC east.

Possible. I still give UT the edge over UF.

Watch out for UGA. Only have two guys, but they're good.

AxionJaxion 10-15-2010 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TennesseeFan
Tobias Harris is the best player in the SEC.


He'll have a similar impact as Da'Sean Butler. There are a few kids at Kentucky who may force you to change your stance, though.

AxionJaxion 10-15-2010 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGame414
Florida can't compete? They return their entire starting lineup and add a guy just as good as Harris in Patric Young.


What did that lineup of softies accomplish last season?

Patric Young isn't nearly the player as is Harris. Not close.

TheGame414 10-16-2010 02:06 AM

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If you have everyone back from a tournament team and you add an impact freshman, you're in pretty good shape. Tennessee has some major holes to fill. But you're right, I overstated it when I said Young is as good as Harris. I do think he'll have a major impact, however, in adding an element of physicality to Florida's frontcourt.

I'm not saying UT can't be as good as Florida. They certainly could. But to say Florida can't compete like the other guy said is just dumb.

Maga_1 10-17-2010 05:45 PM

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Can someone acknowledge me about Tobias Harriis?
I hear that the guys is pretty good

TennesseeFan 10-17-2010 11:30 PM

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Bruce said this team has a 12 man rotation this season. This is a Final Four caliber team, anything less should miss expectations.

Btw, Bruce Pearl is not going to get fired, that is not going to happen. Caliparri's sanction track record is way worse, and he gets no flack whatsoever.

KG215 10-18-2010 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TennesseeFan
Bruce said this team has a 12 man rotation this season. This is a Final Four caliber team, anything less should miss expectations.

Btw, Bruce Pearl is not going to get fired, that is not going to happen. Caliparri's sanction track record is way worse, and he gets no flack whatsoever.


No flack from Kentucky administration or from college basketball fans? Because Calipari gets plenty of flack from non-Kentucky fans.

And anything short of a Final Four would miss expectations? Do you not realize how damn difficult it is to make it to the Final Four? No one is going to even consider Tennessee a top 8-10 team in the preseason, yet you're saying anything less than a Final Four would miss expectations? Really?

TheGame414 10-18-2010 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by KG215
No flack from Kentucky administration or from college basketball fans? Because Calipari gets plenty of flack from non-Kentucky fans.

And anything short of a Final Four would miss expectations? Do you not realize how damn difficult it is to make it to the Final Four? No one is going to even consider Tennessee a top 8-10 team in the preseason, yet you're saying anything less than a Final Four would miss expectations? Really?

My sentiments exactly. There are exactly two teams in college basketball, with Robbie Hummel out that will deserve to be disappointed if they miss the Final Four: Duke and Michigan State. And even they have their question marks.

Oh, and any coach who says he's going to play a 12-man rotation is full of shit, which, of course, Bruce Pearl is.

KG215 10-18-2010 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGame414
My sentiments exactly. There are exactly two teams in college basketball, with Robbie Hummel out that will deserve to be disappointed if they miss the Final Four: Duke and Michigan State. And even they have their question marks.

Oh, and any coach who says he's going to play a 12-man rotation is full of shit, which, of course, Bruce Pearl is.


Tennessee will play a 12 man rotation for maybe the first 5 or 6 non-conference games while he tries to find 8 or 9 guys to be in the regular rotation. Not only that, but you can't play a 12 man rotation for an entire season and expect to make a Fina Four run. Playing 12 men means you're not allowing many of your players to get in a rhythm and risking ever getting any kind of fluidity and chemistry with a set 7 or 8 guys.

The last few years Roy Williams has tried to please too many of his players and gone with a 10 or 11 man rotation for way too long in the season. His best teams at UNC never went more than 7 or 8 deep unless someone got in serious foul trouble. Bruce Pearl may be s cheater but I would like to think even he has the brains to know that getting a 12 man rotation to successfully work over the course of a season is nearly impossible.

TennesseeFan 10-18-2010 06:05 PM

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Bruce Pearl may be a cheater, but JCal is more of one himself.

KG215 10-18-2010 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TennesseeFan
Bruce Pearl may be a cheater, but JCal is more of one himself.


Yes, thank you for pointing out the obvious, and not discussing anything of relevance.

TennesseeFan 10-18-2010 06:25 PM

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This team will make the Final Four, you can hold that to me.

KG215 10-18-2010 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TennesseeFan
This team will make the Final Four, you can hold that to me.


That confident, huh? Tennessee doesn't even have close to their best and most experienced team on paper going into the season, didn't make a Final Four any of those other years, and you're that confident? Interesting.

TennesseeFan 10-18-2010 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KG215
That confident, huh? Tennessee doesn't even have close to their best and most experienced team on paper going into the season, didn't make a Final Four any of those other years, and you're that confident? Interesting.


This is the most talented, deep team that they have ever had.

KG215 10-18-2010 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TennesseeFan
This is the most talented, deep team that they have ever had.


Ask Rick Barnes about, deep, young, and talented teams and all the Finals Fours he's made lately with that recipe.

TennesseeFan 10-18-2010 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KG215
Ask Rick Barnes about, deep, young, and talented teams and all the Finals Fours he's made lately with that recipe.


Rick Barnes isn't coming off an Elite 8 run.

JMT 10-18-2010 06:57 PM

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Nobody can take McDonald's All Americans and turn them into guys who should be working at McDonald's better than Bruce Pearl.

TennesseeFan 10-18-2010 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JMT
Nobody can take McDonald's All Americans and turn them into guys who should be working at McDonald's better than Bruce Pearl.


BP has only had 2 HS AA's and they are on the team right now.

KG215 10-18-2010 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TennesseeFan
BP has only had 2 HS AA's and they are on the team right now.



OK?? Your reading comprehension is really lacking.

My point is Rick Barnes has had teams with multiple McD's AA's, 10+ man rotations, and young inexperienced teams, and has only been to one Final Four.

You're under the impression that making a Final Four is a piece of cake.

Tennessee has talent but is young.

2009-2010 stats
Melvin Goins: 16 mpg, 5.3 ppg, 1.8 apg, .387 FG%, .327 3P%
Scotty Hopson: 27.7 mpg, 12.2 ppg, 3.4 rpg, .445 FG%, .333 3P%
Cameron Tatum: 16.9 mpg, 7.4 ppg, 2.2 rpg, .481 FG%, .389 3P%
Tobias Harris: True Freshman
Brian Williams: 19.1 mpg, 5.6 ppg, 6.4 rpg, .504 FG%

Josh Bone: 9.7 mpg, 1.7 ppg, 1.0 rpg,
Kenny Hall: 12.4 mpg, 3.6 ppg, 3.0 rpg, .578 FG%, .548 FT%
Trae Golden: True Freshman
Renaldo Woolridge: 13.0 mpg, 3.4 ppg, 2.9 rpg, .384 FG%, .319 3P%
Skyler McBee: 13.1 mpg, 3.4 ppg, 1.2 rpg, .323 FG%, .313 3P%
Jordan McRae: True Freshman
Steven Pearl: 10.9 mpg, 1.5 ppg, 1.3 rpg, .476 FG%, .263 FT%
Tyler Summitt: Is he even expected to contribute?


The fact is, Tennessee may have depth and talent, but it's young talent and not a lot of experience. You're returning leading scorer averaged 12.4 ppg and he is a very good player. However, they are still a poor shooting team who isn't one of the 10-12 most imposing teams on paper, yet you're claiming they're a Final Four lock like they're '08-'09 UNC or '06-'07 Florida. No one is a Final Four lock and to insinuate this Tennessee team is is just foolish.

TennesseeFan 10-18-2010 07:47 PM

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Ask JCal about having a young team.

TennesseeFan 10-18-2010 07:50 PM

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Plus having a guy like Harris will raise all their stats. He makes everybody better.

KG215 10-18-2010 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TennesseeFan
Ask JCal about having a young team.


What, and his "one" Final Four? And that team had young talent but also had experienced and proven talent.

I can't tell if you're a blind homer or just an idiot.

ukfan22 10-18-2010 08:58 PM

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If and when Kanter is cleared, Kentucky will win the SEC easily.

KG215 10-18-2010 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ukfan22
If and when Kanter is cleared, Kentucky will win the SEC easily.


You mean the same guy that was paid to play professional overseas?

ukfan22 10-18-2010 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by KG215
You mean the same guy that was paid to play professional overseas?

Ignorance is bliss.

TheGame414 10-18-2010 09:40 PM

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Now that we have the conspiracy theory Kentucky fan in here, this whole thread has turned into one big bag of SEC stupidity.

KG215 10-18-2010 09:59 PM

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I thought it was only SEC football fans that are blindly and stupidly passionate about their teams. I'm being proven wrong.

ukfan22 10-18-2010 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGame414
Now that we have the conspiracy theory Kentucky fan in here, this whole thread has turned into one big bag of SEC stupidity.

Going to lock this thread too, Game?

There is no conspiracy. Kanter's father kept detailed records of all expenses and that was given to the NCAA. Most expect him to be cleared, though he might face a small suspension (5-10 games).

thejoyofsobe 10-24-2010 04:53 PM

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No one will win the SEC easily. The East is a murderer's row as Florida, Georgia, Kentucky and Tennessee could each win the conference. The West has Mississippi State but they only play hard when it comes conference tournament time and will find playing defense a little more difficult without Varnado basically holding the entire paint down by himself. With regards to Tennessee they'll be good and a contender in the conference but not legit Final Four contender good.

Florida should be the favorite in the SEC. It can be hard to win without bigs, experience, senior starters, athleticism, defense, depth and 2 offensive black holes taking up a quarter of your available healthy players as the Gators have learned the past couple of years. Right now the Gators, who were a remarkable turnaround jumper away from sweeping the Vols last year, appear to have none of those challenges this year. They return all 5 starters from an NCAA tournament team who would have advanced and won a lot more of the close games they lost during the season if they had more than 8 healthy, available bodies. Of those three available non-starters two were offensive black holes (Werner and Shipman) that defenses didn't pay attention to and the other was a freshman PF (Murphy) who lost 20 lbs due to a bout with mono before the season and had trouble competing physically*and*with*regaining*his*conditioning.

Both black holes are gone, Murphy's back up to 230 lb, Patric Young is the best rebounder and defender in last year's class, Casey Prather was one of the best defensive wings in last year's class and has drawn Corey Brewer comparisons due to his athleticism, Will Yeguete's a hard-nosed combo forward who's a rebounding machine and a little underrated after only recently coming over from France via Côte d’Ivoire, Iowa decommit Cody Larson would have been snatched up by Ohio State had Big Ten rules not stood in the way and Scottie Wilbekin reclassified to get in this class but was get 2011 top 50 buzz after blowing up at Boo Williams. The freshmen are already bringing the kind of physicality and defense Florida's lacked in the past and not only will their additions permit us to keep our legs fresh throughout the season (4 starters averaged between 30-35 mpg last year) and hold 5-on-5 practices but we'll actually be able to press for the first time since 06-07.

They've got the pieces. The only question now is will they have the killer instinct that separates good teams from great teams.

TennesseeFan 10-24-2010 05:09 PM

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Florida has supposed to be good the last two seasons, what is it this year that you think will be any different?

Nothing.

thejoyofsobe 10-24-2010 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TennesseeFan
Florida has supposed to be good the last two seasons, what is it this year that you think will be any different?

Nothing.

Florida wasn't expected to be good last season. that's why they were unranked in the preseason. With good reason too as every member of the starting 5 was either a freshman, first year player, first year starter or adjusting to a new position.

Florida was ranked #19 in the preseason the year before because the votes were tallied before starting guard Jai Lucas transferred immediately following the season opener, it was known Adam Allen suffered a career-ending injury and it was known Eloy Vargas (the guy who Kentucky fans are lauding in their frontcourt) would miss most of the year on top of the other issues voters took on faith Donovan would be enough to compensate for. To make matters worse Allan Chaney missed most of SEC play with injury. You've got real problems when Alex Tyus is your starting center.


So why is this year different? Florida was a team last year that nearly all of its losses came in the final seconds as depth gave out. Offensive black holes Werner and Shipman (now gone) couldn't hit an open shot and long with no one to spell our guards who were themselves learning new positions and keep their legs fresh we had the worst perimeter shooting season ever under Donovan. Interior depth was an issue as Kadji went down for the season early in the non-conference needing herniated disc surgery and Murphy was playing winded and 20 lbs lighter than what he reported at.

Guard depth is twice what it was last season. Interior depth is twice what it was last season. Perimeter shooting will improve with the additional shooters, guard depth to keep legs fresh, comfort level in their positions and more interior options to keep defenses honest. Defense will improve with increased depth allowing us to press for the first time since 06-07, we've added Patric Young who was the #1 rated defender and rebounder at his position by Rivals, we've added Casey Prather who was the #4 rated defender at his position by Rivals among other guys. So yeah it's not hard to see why returning 5 double-digit scoring starters, of whom 3 are seniors, has got them at preseason #11 in the preseason and were picked by the SEC media to win the conference.

That being said I'm not ready to call them Final Four contenders either as they've got to show that on the court but the early returns from practice are very good. And as I said before there are 5 teams which have legit chances at winning the conference and when 4 of them play in the same division anything can happen. But it's a lot easier to make an argument for Florida than say a team like Tennessee which lost 3 multi-year starters and has to rely upon Swiper-boy and the walk-ons.

TennesseeFan 10-25-2010 02:21 PM

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Well Tennessee is favorite to win the conference, so Florida isn't favorite to win the East.

KG215 10-25-2010 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TennesseeFan
Well Tennessee is favorite to win the conference, so Florida isn't favorite to win the East.


Really? By who? And yes, Florida is the favorite to win the conference by at least some sort of grouping of people with some credibility. I swear, you've got to be the most ignorant and misguided fan on here.

At SEC media day you're world beater, guaranteed Final Four participant Volunteers were picked to finish 4th in the East.

So, who has deemed Tennessee the favorites to win the East?

TennesseeFan 10-25-2010 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KG215
Really? By who? And yes, Florida is the favorite to win the conference by at least some sort of grouping of people with some credibility. I swear, you've got to be the most ignorant and misguided fan on here.

At SEC media day you're world beater, guaranteed Final Four participant Volunteers were picked to finish 4th in the East.

So, who has deemed Tennessee the favorites to win the East?


That is complete utter bullshit.

KG215 10-25-2010 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TennesseeFan
That is complete utter bullshit.


What? The FACT that Tennessee was indeed picked 4th? I can't make that up, because, you know, it actually happened!

TennesseeFan 10-25-2010 04:07 PM

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Tennessee was not picked 4th in the East. I know that for a fact.


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