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Lebron just lost major points in my book (and got owned).
[B]LeBron James vs. Stephon Marbury: The $150 Shoe vs. the $15 Shoe[/B]
[QUOTE]Before the game, James took a little shot at Marbury's $14.98 kicks, saying he couldn't imagine endorsing a sneaker that cheap. "No, I don't think so," James said. "Me being with Nike, we hold our standards high."
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[QUOTE]Marbury, who is friendly with James, was lacing up his Starburys before the game when informed of LeBron's comment. He thought about it for a moment and said, "I'd rather own than be owned."
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Nice quote by Marbury. And very, very true. Although he lost a step according to many, I'm becoming a fan more and more. He's having one of his best seasons too.
Source: [url]http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/ny-sbkside295150100mar29,0,6341008.story[/url] and [url]http://nba.aolsportsblog.com/2007/03/29/lebron-james-vs-stephon-marbury-the-150-shoe-vs-the-15-shoe/[/url]
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I would rather be owned...
100s of millions of dollars and security for your family forever > what others think
money is money....period
unless you are the boss at your job you are being owned...
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[QUOTE=loot][B]LeBron James vs. Stephon Marbury: The $150 Shoe vs. the $15 Shoe[/B]
Nice quote by Marbury. And very, very true. Although he lost a step according to many, I'm becoming a fan more and more. He's having one of his best seasons too.[/QUOTE]
Good line by Marbury.
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that's funny. twice i went to buy the starbury's (for $15, i've got to try them!) in herald square and both times they were totally sold out of the black, so they are clearly pretty popular, though to be honest i don't think i've seen anyone wearing them. jordan's are still the crazy popular brand in nyc.
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Ive seen a lot of people in Marburys shoe. Maybe more than Lebrons recently. Dont make it a point to look though so maybe thats why....
Just notice when someone points it out.
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So Marbury actually balls in those shoes huh? I might have to give them a try when my current, uh, phat kicks wear down. Actually for $15 I can give them a try whenever, I guess.
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LeBron said nothing wrong. After all, he is with Nike.. You really think they'd sell shoes for $15? Get real.
LeBron's losing points in my book because I really wanted him to become something special and all time great..but I think I'm slowly starting to see that he's not as good as I thought he was.
It's not because of stats or anything. It's mostly because now I actually have a chance to watch every game he plays instead of just highlights.
Too bad :(
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Pretty shytty comment by Bron.
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Lebron if he manages just 5 more years at his current level would be a first ballot hall of famer. 9 years...8 of them on a level equal to or better than the primes of some people in the HOF. He has to do so much to live up to expectations its really not fair. If playing at a HOF level from your second season out of HS on isnt good enough what is?
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[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Lebron if he manages just 5 more years at his current level would be a first ballot hall of famer. 9 years...8 of them on a level equal to or better than the primes of some people in the HOF. He has to do so much to live up to expectations its really not fair. If playing at a HOF level from your second season out of HS on isnt good enough what is?[/QUOTE]
Oh, he"ll definitely be a HOF.
The thing is that I bought the hype and thought he'd be like MJ and Magic.
But then again, I didn't watch many games at the time and I just looked at stats which looked impressive.
Now that I see him play I don't feel like I'm watching such a great player.
Maybe that's just me but he isn't nearly as skilled offensively as T Mac was in Orlando.
I don't like his mid range game. Doesn't seem so skilled. Even his passing isn't all that. Seems to me that he only scores off of 3 pointers and driving to the basket.
Just doesn't look gracious at all.
But then again, his stats are great, his team is consistantly good...more power to him.. :bowdown:
Just saying that I was so much more impressed when I actually didn't watch him play.
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LeBron sucks if he said that.
"I couldn't wear something that cheap" and "We hold our standards high"
The media should blast into his ass for those comments. Thats why kids are shhoting each other up to fit in and wear LeBrons (or insert Jordans 15 years ago)
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[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Lebron if he manages just 5 more years at his current level would be a first ballot hall of famer. 9 years...8 of them on a level equal to or better than the primes of some people in the HOF. He has to do so much to live up to expectations its really not fair. If playing at a HOF level from your second season out of HS on isnt good enough what is?[/QUOTE]
WTF does this have to do with his comments about Marbury's shoes?
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I agree with LeBron with what he meant. If I'm playing ball I want something sturdier and more reliable than a pair of $15 cheaply made shoes. However, his comments are way off base and incredibly rude. I think he worded it wrong, but you also have to take into account context. He was asked a question, which may or may not have been to corner LeBron into feeling bad about endorsing a more expensive product, so in turn he was defending the company he represents.
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I didn't expect anything less from some ghetto punk who calls himself "King" and has "chosen 1" inked across his back. I'm a "WITNESS" to the one of the biggest, most arrogant jerks in all of professional sports. He could learn a thing or two from Marbury.
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[QUOTE=Samurai Swoosh]I agree with LeBron with what he meant. If I'm playing ball I want something sturdier and more reliable than a pair of $15 cheaply made shoes. However, his comments are way off base and incredibly rude. I think he worded it wrong, but you also have to take into account context. He was asked a question, which may or may not have been to corner LeBron into feeling bad about endorsing a more expensive product, so in turn he was defending the company he represents.[/QUOTE]
Um Brons and Starburs shoes are probally made in the same damn place with the same material.
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[QUOTE=Knoe Itawl]WTF does this have to do with his comments about Marbury's shoes?[/QUOTE]
LOL, I'm asking myself the same thing after reading that.
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[QUOTE=Soccer10]Oh, he"ll definitely be a HOF.
The thing is that[B][SIZE="5"] I bought the hype and thought he'd be like MJ and Magic.[/SIZE][/B]But then again, I didn't watch many games at the time and I just looked at stats which looked impressive.
Now that I see him play I don't feel like I'm watching such a great player.
Maybe that's just me but he isn't nearly as skilled offensively as T Mac was in Orlando.
I don't like his mid range game. Doesn't seem so skilled. Even his passing isn't all that. Seems to me that he only scores off of 3 pointers and driving to the basket.
Just doesn't look gracious at all.
But then again, his stats are great, his team is consistantly good...more power to him.. :bowdown:
Just saying that I was so much more impressed when I actually didn't watch him play.[/QUOTE]
that is just dumb...
someone said he is going to be the next Jordan and you believed it...
no one will ever be the next Jordan...
not Kobe....not Lebron...not anyone....Jordan is Jordan
in fact this may sound stupid but one of my gripes with Lebron is that he wears the number 23...
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[QUOTE=Poseidon]I didn't expect anything less from some ghetto punk who calls himself "King" and has "chosen 1" inked across his back. I'm a "WITNESS" to the one of the biggest, most arrogant jerks in all of professional sports. He could learn a thing or two from Marbury.[/QUOTE]
[B][SIZE="4"]FIRST OFF...[/SIZE][/B]
I don't like Lebron but do we know if he said this in a joking manner or not?
I doubt he was being totally straight faced and serious about it...
he probablly had a big smile on his face...
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Who care if Bron is a future Hall of Famer or not.
I think this is a real important statement somebody made, especially somebody young, rich and black. I guess Bill Cosby was right all this time. Some famous black man just said he would never wear something cheap.
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As the top athlete for Nike NBA and a business man himself, he said the right thing by endorsing the company he works for. That's his job, to get people to buy the sponsorships' products.
Of course he could have said something a little less arrogant like, [I]"I think its great what Marbury is doing and I wish him well". [/I]
Then we'll have a new thread saying [I]"Bron acts Humble, again! He's so phony, just speak the truth"[/I]
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About as much as this:
[QUOTE]LeBron's losing points in my book because I really wanted him to become something special and all time great..but I think I'm slowly starting to see that he's not as good as I thought he was.[/QUOTE]
Which is what I was talking about.
[QUOTE]Oh, he"ll definitely be a HOF.
The thing is that I bought the hype and thought he'd be like MJ and Magic.
But then again, I didn't watch many games at the time and I just looked at stats which looked impressive.
Now that I see him play I don't feel like I'm watching such a great player.
Maybe that's just me but he isn't nearly as skilled offensively as T Mac was in Orlando.
I don't like his mid range game. Doesn't seem so skilled. Even his passing isn't all that. Seems to me that he only scores off of 3 pointers and driving to the basket.
Just doesn't look gracious at all.[/QUOTE]
Jordan and Magic combined is a bit much for anyone to live up to. What would that even be? Like a 33/12/9 player shooting 50-55% and winning 7 titles?
He is what he is. Being a 27/7/7 player at 19....then a 30/7/7 player at 20 and second in MVP voting. Great year this year. And its not like he doesnt win. On pace for back to back 50 win seasons.
Hes doing way better than anyone here predicted before he got to the L. I remember people calling me an idiot for saying hed get between 13-15ppg and 5 rebounds and assists as a rookie. People caught up in summer league and preseason shooting percentages. The only people I heard predicting what he is now is media types like Kornheiser on PTI who we all considered dumb for saying Bron would bea 20ppg rookie and all time great by 21.
Hes actually surpassed most expectations. Hes just not reached the truly insane ones yet.
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[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Um Brons and Starburs shoes are probally made in the same damn place with the same material.[/QUOTE] lol you got it...
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[QUOTE=-primetime-]that is just dumb...
someone said he is going to be the next Jordan and you believed it...
no one will ever be the next Jordan...
not Kobe....not Lebron...not anyone....Jordan is Jordan
in fact this may sound stupid but one of my gripes with Lebron is that he wears the number 23...[/QUOTE]
Someone said did????
Where did you live? Under a rock?
Let me remind you a bit
[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2c/Si-cover_lebron_james_2002.jpg/180px-Si-cover_lebron_james_2002.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.cavshistory.com/images/magazines/lebron-3.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.internationalbasketball.com/tattoos-lebronjames.jpg[/IMG]
And that's only 1 % of everything. Read some articles or something.
And yes, I did buy into hype.
The thing is, like I said, I had little opportunity to watch him play, like a few games in 3 years.
And just from watching his stats, I saw a monster who at 22 averaged over 30 points and 7 assists.. At 21 he averaged 21 points and 7 assists..
So I thought to myself, MJ's scoring ability and Magic's passing ability?
You won't believe the things that people will believe if they don't in fact watch games.
Last 2 years I was 100 % sure that he was better than Kobe.
But when you actually watch games...blah..it's different.
Has very little grace. Doesn't make plays that make you go WOOOW.
Not that special, not gracious at all.
Doesn't mean that he's not a great player but when I watch him play I don't see the best player in the league. Sorry but no.
And last 2 years I thought he was the best.
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If you put an aftermarket insole like a Spenco in the Starbury's, they're not the worst shoe ever. They're still stiff and were superglued together and the leather doesn't flex, but they're about on par with Reeboks or some of the cheap Nikes like Nike Air Ups that MSRP for 64.99, even though the basic "air" and hexalyte cushioning techs totally ***** on what is literally styrofoam underneath the Starbury insoles.
There's a market for both though and I really admire what Marbury is trying to do here. If you go to Steve and Barry's in the section where they sell them, they have an everplaying DVD of him going around Coney Island and talking about them.
The clothes are hot too, I got a few items
They might be made in the same place, but they're not the same materials. Unless you want to be very basic and say LeBron's have leather on them, Starbury's have leather on them so they're the same.
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[QUOTE=gts]lol you got it...[/QUOTE]
they might be the same materials and made in the same country but Nikes are higher quality...
maybe not $135 worth of higher quality but if I had to pick one give me the Nikes
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[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]About as much as this:
Which is what I was talking about.
Jordan and Magic combined is a bit much for anyone to live up to. What would that even be? Like a 33/12/9 player shooting 50-55% and winning 7 titles?
He is what he is. Being a 27/7/7 player at 19....then a 30/7/7 player at 20 and second in MVP voting. Great year this year. And its not like he doesnt win. On pace for back to back 50 win seasons.
Hes doing way better than anyone here predicted before he got to the L. I remember people calling me an idiot for saying hed get between 13-15ppg and 5 rebounds and assists as a rookie. People caught up in summer league and preseason shooting percentages. The only people I heard predicting what he is now is media types like Kornheiser on PTI who we all considered dumb for saying Bron would bea 20ppg rookie and all time great by 21.
Hes actually surpassed most expectations. Hes just not reached the truly insane ones yet.[/QUOTE]
That's exactly it. You bring up his stats. His stats are what made me think that he's the best.
But when I watch him play I just don't get the same impresion. I'm not impressed. I don't wow at him. I don't find him entertaining and spectacular. I don't find him that skilled.
Don't like to admit this but Wade actually looks much better to me when I watch him play.
That's just it....he's the best when you just concentrate on stats whereas other players make you wow.
Magic had that.
MJ had that.
Even Duncan has that.
I just don't see that in LeBron.
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[QUOTE=Soccer10]Someone said did????
Where did you live? Under a rock?
Let me remind you a bit
[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2c/Si-cover_lebron_james_2002.jpg/180px-Si-cover_lebron_james_2002.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.cavshistory.com/images/magazines/lebron-3.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://www.internationalbasketball.com/tattoos-lebronjames.jpg[/IMG]
And that's only 1 % of everything. Read some articles or something.
And yes, I did buy into hype.
The thing is, like I said, I had little opportunity to watch him play, like a few games in 3 years.
And just from watching his stats, I saw a monster who at 22 averaged over 30 points and 7 assists.. At 21 he averaged 21 points and 7 assists..
So I thought to myself, MJ's scoring ability and Magic's passing ability?
You won't believe the things that people will believe if they don't in fact watch games.
Last 2 years I was 100 % sure that he was better than Kobe.
But when you actually watch games...blah..it's different.
Has very little grace. Doesn't make plays that make you go WOOOW.
Not that special, not gracious at all.
Doesn't mean that he's not a great player but when I watch him play I don't see the best player in the league. Sorry but no.
And last 2 years I thought he was the best.[/QUOTE]
yeah I remember his name getting thrown in with Jordan's...
I remember the same with Kobe...
did I ever actually think they would be as good as Jordan....HELL NO
that being said Lebron is still only 22 years old...he has all the time in the world to prove he is the next Jordan...do I think it will happen?...HELL NO
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The best and smartest guys on the court aren't always the best and smartest off the court, and vice versa. This is a prime example of that...although let me make it clear that I'm not calling James a bad person, he's just emulating Jordan's off-court style, which means that he's bought and paid for. No loyal Nike man would be complimentary of Marbury's shoes. Marbury isn't nearly as smart as James on the court but he's much more concerned about helping people, and for that, I'm a fan.
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[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]The best and smartest guys on the court aren't always the best and smartest off the court, and vice versa. This is a prime example of that...although let me make it clear that I'm not calling James a bad person, he's just emulating Jordan's off-court style, which means that he's bought and paid for. No loyal Nike man would be complimentary of Marbury's shoes. [/QUOTE]
Why would Lebron be loyal to Nike though? It's just business. If his career suddenly declined steeply, they'd dump him before he knew what was happening.
That's what bothers me about these comments. He goes a little too far in "defending" Nike. I don't expect him to criticize his sponsor, but I also don't expect him to praise them.
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[QUOTE=SomeBunghole]Why would Lebron be loyal to Nike though? It's just business. If his career suddenly declined steeply, they'd dump him before he knew what was happening.
That's what bothers me about these comments. He goes a little too far in "defending" Nike. I don't expect him to criticize his sponsor, but I also don't expect him to praise them.[/QUOTE]
Exacly, I doubt Penny Hardaway is praising NIKE right now.
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this is kinda dumb...
If Marbury could trade his $15 sneakers for his own $100 million dollar Nike contract he would do it in a heartbeat...
If Nike owns Lebron then we are all owned...
I guess the real question is if Lebron said that with a straight face or a smile...and either way I still don't like the guy
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Assuming Lebron said this....
The funny thing is Lebron's shoe is probably of the same quailty that Marbury's. Just marked up 100%.
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[QUOTE=aj242]The funny thing is Lebron's shoe is probably of the same quailty that Marbury's. Just marked up 100%.[/QUOTE]
no they are higher quality...no question...just not $135 higher in quality.
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[QUOTE=SomeBunghole]Why would Lebron be loyal to Nike though? It's just business. If his career suddenly declined steeply, they'd dump him before he knew what was happening.
That's what bothers me about these comments. He goes a little too far in "defending" Nike. I don't expect him to criticize his sponsor, but I also don't expect him to praise them.[/QUOTE]
He's loyal to Nike because they're paying him a hundred million dollars. I'm completely against the child labor an slave wages Nike has and probably still does hand out in Asia to make their shoes cheaply but if they offered me a hundred mil, I'd have a hard time saying "no"...and if you accept that cash you're going to defend their interests, period. That's a ridiculous amount of money. I wouldn't betray my mother over it, but I have a few cousins I'd consider stabbing for a hundred million...just joking. Maybe. But I'd certainly be willing to talk trash about other shoe companies for it. Heck, for 50 bucks I'd call AI's "Question" cow manure. Anyhow, Nike can't dump James unless he gets himself arrested for something severe. And he'd probably have to get convicted before they moved against his contract, as they stuck with Kobe Bryant throughout his rape trial. That money is guaranteed and definitely buys some loyalty. A hundred million? Praise is the least he can do.
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[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Exacly, I doubt Penny Hardaway is praising NIKE right now.[/QUOTE]
Hardaway got all of his guaranteed money, they just didn't renew him when injuries took away his game. That's to be expected.
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Bron wasn't defending Nike, he was purely bashing Marbury's shoes.
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[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]He's loyal to Nike because they're paying him a hundred million dollars. I'm completely against the child labor an slave wages Nike has and probably still does hand out in Asia to make their shoes cheaply but if they offered me a hundred mil, I'd have a hard time saying "no"...and if you accept that cash you're going to defend their interests, period. That's a ridiculous amount of money. I wouldn't betray my mother over it, but I have a few cousins I'd consider stabbing for a hundred million...just joking. Maybe. But I'd certainly be willing to talk trash about other shoe companies for it. Heck, for 50 bucks I'd call AI's "Question" cow manure. Anyhow, Nike can't dump James unless he gets himself arrested for something severe. And he'd probably have to get convicted before they moved against his contract, as they stuck with Kobe Bryant throughout his rape trial. That money is guaranteed and definitely buys some loyalty. A hundred million? Praise is the least he can do.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't suggesting Nike would try and get out of their contract, I was saying that when his contract expired, they'd kick him like a stray dog. Loyalty implies relationship beyond business, that's what I'm getting at. Lebron shouldn't care the slightest about Nike. His money is guaranteed, who cares if the shoes are selling or not?
I don't know, it just bothers me that he speaks so highly of a company that is hell-bent on exploiting him in every way possible. I guess a 100 million can buy you a lot of dignity.
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Nike's generally cost about 20$ to produce, with the exception of a shoe like the Air Force 1 which only cost 5$ (it's obviously a very simple shoe) and the foamposite molds actually cost 1000s to make, but you only have to make one per size so I don't know how you'd factor that into cost.
And Nike is still selling Penny Hardaway shoes to this day, in fact they're among the most popular Nike's. I'm not sure whether or not he still gets paid for it, but it's not like how Adidas still sells Kobe's but just renamed them and calls them "Crazy 8s" and "Crazy 1s." Hell, NBA players still wear both.
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[QUOTE=-primetime-]no they are higher quality...no question...just not $135 higher in quality.[/QUOTE]
No question? Yes, one: proof it to me. Whe are they higher in quality?
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