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Lebron "Clutchness": Let's take a walk down the memory lane
So it appears that Lebron fans are now calling him Clutch. Is it true? It seems people are quite forgetful sometimes.. let's take a look back in history:
[B]Part 1: Passing up last shots.[/B] He has been doing this throughout his Cleveland days. I'm sure everyone remembers the news.. every time Lebron would pass up the final shot.. allowing his teammate to force up a bad shot.
Lebron James Passes Up Last Shot vs Utah Jazz (HD):
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=997NpDUaDcM[/url]
[QUOTE]With the game on the line in Utah, James passed to Udonis Haslem for an open 17-foot jumper that missed, and Miami
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Here's a few of my favorite pictures:
[IMG]http://mavsmag.com/redirk/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/258027_522846740410_162900200_30684324_6201276_o-500x373.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i43.tinypic.com/v8elpi.jpg[/IMG]
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[IMG]http://theeastsideperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Lebron-James-wins-first-nba-championship.jpg[/IMG]
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For every moment like that in his career you can come up with a great clutch moment or two.
That's what happens if you scrutinize every single moment of a man's career. Everyone has their ups and downs, even the best... if you're a stan, you'll focus on the former, and if you're a hater, you'll focus on the latter, that's all.
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[QUOTE=BoutPractice]For every moment like that in his career you can come up with a great clutch moment or two.
That's what happens if you scrutinize every single moment of a man's career. Everyone has their ups and downs, even the best... if you're a stan, you'll focus on the former, and if you're a hater, you'll focus on the latter, that's all.[/QUOTE]
I am a fair man though. I will recognize his greatness as well.
His game 5 against Piston in the ECF, and this year's game 6 were definitely very defining, in the way he took over the entire game.
However- those games.. are different from clutch. He took over the entire game from the beginning. It was greatness in another form.. but not clutch.
I try to remember his great moments, and I can recall those 2 games, but I can't recall any defining moments of clutchness. Example defining clutch moments are like MJ's clutch shots in the playoffs, Kobe, Wade, Rose. Those guys you can remember. It's an x-factor they have..
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Clutch is more than a last second shot though bro. Well to me it is. It's different for everybody I'm guessing.
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[QUOTE=ripthekik]I am a fair man though. I will recognize his greatness as well.
His game 5 against Piston in the ECF, and this year's game 6 were definitely very defining, in the way he took over the entire game.
However- those games.. are different from clutch. He took over the entire game from the beginning. It was greatness in another form.. but not clutch.
I try to remember his great moments, and I can recall those 2 games, but I can't recall any defining moments of clutchness. Example defining clutch moments are like MJ's clutch shots in the playoffs, Kobe, Wade, Rose. Those guys you can remember. It's an x-factor they have..[/QUOTE]
Clutchness is overated. Reggie Miller was absolutely clutch but he doesnt have any rings. Shaq on the other hand had to be taken out of close games at the end so he didnt have to shoot free throws but most of the time it didnt matter because he dominated the first 3 1/2 qtrs. Same as LeBron.
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LeBron will often pass up a good last second shot for a great shot for a teammate in the waning seconds of a game. If it's the right basketball play then what is the big deal. Should he jack up a three over two defenders if Chalmers is sitting wide open for a corner three?
No one has ever made every last second clutch shot. Jordan didn't. Larry didn't. Kobe didn't. You make some, you miss some. LeBron making a few gamewinners doesn't make me think he's clutch anymore than the misses make me think he chokes.
I'm not worried about LeBron's "Clutchness." After all, the games statistically most clutch player is Melo and he didn't hoist the trophy last year. LeBron did.
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Lebron has been taking over late in games and making big shots for like 6 years. When you are talking about poor decisions in an all star game in a season he won MVP, finals MVP, and inarguably led his team to a ring with nobody on his team close to matching him in the playoffs....it kinda shows the kind of person you are dealing with.
Lebron is a 3 time MVP, NBA champ, and right in the middle of his prime and with time all the negative will take an even greater backseat as it always does.
There is nothing left for him to do. Hes just left to repeat himself. But there is nothing more to ask of him by anyone to be taken serious. That is over. Hating wise its on to the next one.
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[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Lebron has been taking over late in games and making big shots for like 6 years. When you are talking about poor decisions in an all star game in a season he won MVP, finals MVP, and inarguably led his team to a ring with nobody on his team close to matching him in the playoffs....it kinda shows the kind of person you are dealing with.
Lebron is a 3 time MVP, NBA champ, and right in the middle of his prime and with time all the negative will take an even greater backseat as it always does.
There is nothing left for him to do. Hes just left to repeat himself. But there is nothing more to ask of him by anyone to be taken serious. That is over. Hating wise its on to the next one.[/QUOTE]
Kblaze, it's been very obvious that your stance is pro-Lebron for a long time now.
Taking over late in games and making big shots for last 6 years? Hell no. Last season maybe.
This year nobody matched him? Wade 42 points on 17/25 FG with 10 rebounds?
Why do Lebron fans underrate Wade and Bosh just to prop up Lebron? You talked about it as if he brought the Cavs to the championship. This is the Heat with Wade, top 2 SG and only 1 year removed from prime, Prime Bosh who led his own franchise for 7 seasons avging 20/10, and a top defensive player in Battier.
Clutchness may be overrated, but we're not discuss that. That could be another good discussion in another topic. Here? We're simply discussing whether we can conclude that Lebron is clutch or not.
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[QUOTE=ripthekik]Kblaze, it's been very obvious that your stance is pro-Lebron for a long time now.
Taking over late in games and making big shots for last 6 years? Hell no. Last season maybe.
This year nobody matched him? Wade 42 points on 17/25 FG with 10 rebounds?
Why do Lebron fans underrate Wade and Bosh just to prop up Lebron? You talked about it as if he brought the Cavs to the championship. This is the Heat with Wade, top 2 SG and only 1 year removed from prime, Prime Bosh who led his own franchise for 7 seasons avging 20/10, and a top defensive player in Battier.
Clutchness may be overrated, but we're not discuss that. That could be another good discussion in another topic. Here? We're simply discussing whether we can conclude that Lebron is clutch or not.[/QUOTE]
And your stance is anti-Lebron:coleman: , you have a disease man. :biggums:
The butthurt blinds you.
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So what is there left for Lebron to accomplish? He clearly isn't very good according to you.
Somehow hes managed to win a title, 3 MVP's, finals MVP, numerous all NBA and defensive selections... Weird.
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[QUOTE=plowking]So what is there left for Lebron to accomplish? He clearly isn't very good according to you.
Somehow hes managed to win a title, 3 MVP's, finals MVP, numerous all NBA and defensive selections... Weird.[/QUOTE]
I never said he wasn't very good. I've always said he's the number 1 player in the league now.
But on a personal level, what is there for him to accomplish? I would want to see him win a champion with just 1 other star, either Wade or Bosh. That way I can view him as a true champion, instead of someone who just stacked and took the easy shortcut.
Sure, you point toward other "Superteams" since 2000. Let's take a look:
Lakers 2004: Shaq, Kobe, Payton, Malone
Celtics 2008: Garnett, Ray, Pierce
Lakers 2012: Kobe, Dwight, Gasol, Nash
You see what these superteams had in common? If a team collected so many stars.. then usually it's because some of them are already old, and are playing different roles. Payton and Malone were old. All Celtics big 3 were in their 30's and had a small window of opportunity. Kobe and Nash are both nearing the end of their careers.
But this team Lebron in on? 3 guys on their primes? I would personally, very much like to see Lebron bring a team with only 1 other star to the championship. Otherwise, he's got the stats and everything, but he hasn't showed he's at THAT level. Top 10, championship level.
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[QUOTE=ripthekik]I never said he wasn't very good. I've always said he's the number 1 player in the league now.
But on a personal level, what is there for him to accomplish? I would want to see him win a champion with just 1 other star, either Wade or Bosh. That way I can view him as a true champion, instead of someone who just stacked and took the easy shortcut.
Sure, you point toward other "Superteams" since 2000. Let's take a look:
Lakers 2004: Shaq, Kobe, Payton, Malone
Celtics 2008: Garnett, Ray, Pierce
Lakers 2012: Kobe, Dwight, Gasol, Nash
You see what these superteams had in common? If a team collected so many stars.. then usually it's because some of them are already old, and are playing different roles. Payton and Malone were old. All Celtics big 3 were in their 30's and had a small window of opportunity. Kobe and Nash are both nearing the end of their careers.
But this team Lebron in on? 3 guys on their primes? I would personally, very much like to see Lebron bring a team with only 1 other star to the championship. Otherwise, he's got the stats and everything, but he hasn't showed he's at THAT level. Top 10, championship level.[/QUOTE]
So you want him to shoo away teammates? So you can start the 'Lebron is a bad teammate' thread?
Different roles? Have you not watched the Heat? Have you noticed Bosh doesn't play inside as much as he used to? Or that Wade is much more post oriented? Lebron too, handling the ball much less.
Paul Pierce was pretty much the same age Wade was when they formed a super team, and he wasn't even the best player on his super team. So what you're saying is, they should abide by your arbitrary, made up age of when they are allowed to join together?
Clearly they took the shortcut. I mean look at that 2004 Lakers team. They strolled to a championship. Oh wait... People act as if having the most talent is a lock for a championship. Look how stacked a team like Barcelona and Real Madrid are in football, and they don't win or make the Champions League final every year.
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ripthekik dude you are right now the biggest troll around here.Congrats man for having so much time on trying to prove how bad lebron is.
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Lebron is clutch. Didn't read, 1 starred, can't neg you yet.
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You pointed out 8 plays in a 10 year career. Way to go!
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[QUOTE=Hoiids]You pointed out 8 plays in a 10 year career. Way to go![/QUOTE]
Plays? In the 2011 finals there were more than 8 plays in a game alone.
We're talking about the 2011 final SERIES, the 2010 Celtics SERIES, times where he passed up the last shot. You guys know more about lebron than me, should know what they are. Hell, if we tried to get footage of everytime he choked, I don't think a documentary could cover it :oldlol:
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Kblaze, it's been very obvious that your stance is pro-Lebron for a long time now.
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I expect no more accuracy on that from you than I do from cheerleaders like Pauk. You are all exactly the same...just on different sides.
[QUOTE]Taking over late in games and making big shots for last 6 years? Hell no. Last season maybe.[/QUOTE]
You do know that other people have also seen the NBA right? That he was seen making multiple game winners in his first playoff series? Dropping 30 in a row on the Pistons...making the walkoff 3 vs the Magic....game winners vs the Bobcats, Warriors, blazers, and so on? I watched him knock down the 3 to force OT vs the Bulls when he was on the cavs. The big big plays in the ECF last year. That string of clearout drives to the basket vs the Magic in game 4 or 5 that series he put up like 40ppg. You saying it didnt happen does not change reality.
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This year nobody matched him? Wade 42 points on 17/25 FG with 10 rebounds?
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When worthy has a big game...it doesnt mean he matched Magic Johnson in the playoffs.
[QUOTE]Why do Lebron fans underrate Wade and Bosh just to prop up Lebron? You talked about it as if he brought the Cavs to the championship. This is the Heat with Wade, top 2 SG and only 1 year removed from prime, Prime Bosh who led his own franchise for 7 seasons avging 20/10, and a top defensive player in Battier.[/QUOTE]
If you give me prime shaq and I drill a hole in his knee so he plays on a level below that...you dont get to say I had prime shaq. You are as good as you play not as good as your name. Wade was not Wade in the playoffs. And what Chris Bosh did while not missing half the playoffs and producing like Horace Grant does nothing to help 2012. Again....other people saw this happen.
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Clutchness may be overrated, but we're not discuss that. That could be another good discussion in another topic. Here? We're simply discussing whether we can conclude that Lebron is clutch or not.
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What you conclude is not what "we" conclude. You are not normal. Your opinions are not normal. And history wont care what you think. He won it all. He played big in doing it. End of story.
The rest is...whatever.
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[QUOTE=jlip]Bladers?[/QUOTE]
Maybe kaiiu? Bladers is a Kobe/Lakers fan, ripthekik is not.
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[QUOTE=ripthekik]So it appears that Lebron fans are now calling him Clutch. Is it true? It seems people are quite forgetful sometimes.. let's take a look back in history:
[B]Part 1: Passing up last shots.[/B] He has been doing this throughout his Cleveland days. I'm sure everyone remembers the news.. every time Lebron would pass up the final shot.. allowing his teammate to force up a bad shot.
Lebron James Passes Up Last Shot vs Utah Jazz (HD):
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=997NpDUaDcM[/url]
Lebron James Passes Up Key Shot at 2012 All Star Game (HD)
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89XqDgD-M_E[/url]
Udonis Haslem misses last shot in 4th Quarter vs Boston in Game 4 (2012 East Finals)
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=j56m4-gf7_M[/url]
[B]Part 2: Quiting[/B]
LeBron James 2010 ECS Game 5: 15/6/7 vs. Boston Celtics.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdqy27KsqYk[/url]
[B]Part 3: 2011 Finals[/B]
2011 NBA Finals Remix
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3kKxtSQa-4[/url]
LeBron James 8-point game in NBA Finals 2011
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFe8KUEQdn4&feature=related[/url]
[B]Others:[/B]
LeBron James turns in the biggest choke job of the 2012 NBA season (vs LA Clippers)
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_QpiZTRDys[/url]
Wade Hits Game Winner In OT After Lebron Chokes Again
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRPPB_aWiy8[/url]
Lebron misses with 20 secs left, Wade comes up to get the ball, tells everyone including Lebron to GTFO of his way, and proceeded to hit the gamewinner.
There's tons more videos, news articles, but I'm sure this is enough for us to all remember who Lebron really is as a player.:cheers:
Feel free to add yours thoughts, or add more videos.[/QUOTE]
Since you included that Clippers game, which was about Lebron in the last 5 minutes of a close game, I guess that is what you are defining as clutch.
So, here is 2012's stats for last 5 minutes (with the score within 3 points either way). Lebron was:
- 5th in scoring rate (with the 3rd highest FG percentage amongst the top 10 in scoring rate)
- Top 20 in assist rate
- Number 1 in rebound rate for his position (and Top 20 overall)
...he was easily the most impressive in that regard in the whole league. Kyrie's scoring is higher, but his assist rate is half of Lebron's, and he had more turnovers than assists.
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real talk...
he was ok up until he did that Boston $#!t in 10' ..and then the Finals vs the Mavs??
That's what put him in the "Choke Artist" firld.
anyone denying that shouldn't even be listened to.
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[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]real talk...
he was ok up until he did that Boston $#!t in 10' ..and then the Finals vs the Mavs??
That's what put him in the "Choke Artist" firld.
anyone denying that shouldn't even be listened to.[/QUOTE]
Boston series has nothing to do with clutchness. Those two critical games he was extremely passive from the first minute of the game till the last minute. The same could be also said for the Dallas series to a degree.
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[QUOTE=LBJ 23]Boston series has nothing to do with clutchness. Those two critical games he was extremely passive from the first minute of the game till the last minute. The same could be also said for the Dallas series to a degree.[/QUOTE]
- has everything to do with clutchness...
- critical games ( clutch moments) and you aren't interested or shy away from the moment....
- so let me get this straight....important Playoff game/series and the superstar/best player doesn't shoot the ball for the whole game/series....or even try to create
you gonna say " well at least you can't say he wasn't clutch or he was clutch...he wasn't either....he just was there"
no everyone would say " why did he play like that .....most important games and he was disintrested"
that my friend is the definition of not bieng clutch.
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[QUOTE=ripthekik]So it appears that Lebron fans are now calling him Clutch. Is it true? It seems people are quite forgetful sometimes.. let's take a look back in history:
[B]Part 1: Passing up last shots.[/B] He has been doing this throughout his Cleveland days. I'm sure everyone remembers the news.. every time Lebron would pass up the final shot.. allowing his teammate to force up a bad shot.[/quote]
I've watched/been to more Cavs games for the 7 years Bron was on that team than almost anyone on this site. Suffice to say, when the entire defense knows your taking the last shot, a kick out to Marshall, Gibson, Damon Jones was not uncommon.
He lacks the mental toughness of Jordan and he needs to quit being compared to such perfection. His legacy will always be tarnished due to: teaming up with the 2nd best player at the time, making a spectacle of himself during "the decision", and quitting in the playoffs against the Celtics looking very disinterested the entire game. Other than further removing himself from finals perfection by failing against the Mavs, the 2011 finals loss was not a big deal due to lack of team chemistry. Wade isn't the player he once was, and Kobe is on the decline, so LBJ may be able to prove that he's a top 10 player by winning multiple finals MVPS and taking championships away from the Lakers and Thunder. Until he does, the continual "what if's" is all his fans have to hang onto regardless of their feelings toward his level of "Clutchness". I hope we see an increase in mental toughness otherwise all we'll have is a another "what could have been" story.
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[QUOTE=Nash]Maybe kaiiu? Bladers is a Kobe/Lakers fan, ripthekik is not.[/QUOTE]
Phong
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[QUOTE=ripthekik]Plays? In the 2011 finals there were more than 8 plays in a game alone.
We're talking about the 2011 final SERIES, [B]the 2010 Celtics SERIES,[/B] times where he passed up the last shot. You guys know more about lebron than me, should know what they are. Hell, if we tried to get footage of everytime he choked, I don't think a documentary could cover it :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Well you definitely aren't talking about the whole series, because Lebron's overall series was pretty good that year.
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[QUOTE=LBJFTW]I've watched/been to more Cavs games for the 7 years Bron was on that team than almost anyone on this site. Suffice to say, when the entire defense knows your taking the last shot, a kick out to Marshall, Gibson, Damon Jones was not uncommon.
He lacks the mental toughness of Jordan and he needs to quit being compared to such perfection. His legacy will always be tarnished due to: teaming up with the 2nd best player at the time, making a spectacle of himself during "the decision", and quitting in the playoffs against the Celtics looking very disinterested the entire game. Other than further removing himself from finals perfection by failing against the Mavs, the 2011 finals loss was not a big deal due to lack of team chemistry. Wade isn't the player he once was, and Kobe is on the decline, so LBJ may be able to prove that he's a top 10 player by winning multiple finals MVPS and taking championships away from the Lakers and Thunder. Until he does, the continual "what if's" is all his fans have to hang onto regardless of their feelings toward his level of "Clutchness". I hope we see an increase in mental toughness otherwise all we'll have is a another "what could have been" story.[/QUOTE]
:applause: :applause:
Now this is real talk. Appreciated.
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[QUOTE=ripthekik]Here's a few of my favorite pictures:
[IMG]http://mavsmag.com/redirk/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/258027_522846740410_162900200_30684324_6201276_o-500x373.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i43.tinypic.com/v8elpi.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
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Dude the LeBron generation is f*cking annoying.
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[QUOTE=crisoner]/Thread
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Dude the LeBron generation is f*cking annoying.[/QUOTE]
Oh, the f*cking irony, Kobe fan speaking :roll:
Btw, didn't you retire from ISH and even made a thread about it with even more narcissistic attitude than Lebron in ''The decision''? :lol
Why did you come back?
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[QUOTE=WindmiLL]Oh, the f*cking irony, Kobe fan speaking :roll:[/QUOTE]
I'm a Magic Johnson Showtime Laker fan who knows his sh*t.
Don't throw me in to that stupid Kobe Stan crap.
And YES the LeBron Stans are just as bad.
But when I say LeBron generation I am talking about all the kids now who where not even breathing or too young to remember Jordan play in the 90's.
They have infested the blogs spewing their blind bullsh*t and lack any sense of B-ball knowledge.
I never left. I stated I would post under another name that's all. Then I went back to this one. Call me MJ or Sugar Ray Leonard. What your real poster name?
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lol Crisoner is the same guy that said John Stockton ranks higher than Lebron. stop pretending like you're some old-school basketball genius
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Firstly you ask me if I'm one of them and then you accuse me of being a stupid f*ck without even me responding. Did I step on your nerve? :lol
And don't think anyone being here long enough is buying this cr@p that you are Magic/Showtime Lakers fan. You are in the same category as Doranku, Branslowski etc... biggest Kobe stans you can find, just a little bit smarter when posting than those kids like alphawolf, 9empire, griffmoney, the logo and so on...
And no, I don't even like Lebron nor his fans but believe me, you Kobe stans are really one strange breed and by far the worst...
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[QUOTE=crisoner]/Thread
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Dude the LeBron generation is f*cking annoying.[/QUOTE]
If you think that actually means something, you have no basketball knowledge.
I could just as easily go find the same pic for Cavs vs Detroit 2007 and Miami vs OKC 2012.
And you also used the wrong pic. It's pretty much consensus that Lebron had an amazing series against Orlando in 2009.
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[QUOTE=KingBeasley08]lol Crisoner is the same guy that said John Stockton ranks higher than Lebron. stop pretending like you're some old-school basketball genius[/QUOTE]
Yeah and I stick by that for the fact Stockton has had a full CAREER and has a record most assist of all time etc.
If LeBron dies tomorrow (not wishing that) he would not be ranked 11 all time based on his career. I stick to that opinion.
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Clutchness is the most over rated category in the history of basketball
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[QUOTE=WindmiLL]Firstly you ask me if I'm one of them and then you accuse me of being a stupid f*ck without even me responding. Did I step on your nerve? :lol
And don't think anyone being here long enough is buying this cr@p that you are Magic/Showtime Lakers fan. You are in the same category as Doranku, Branslowski etc... biggest Kobe stans you can find, just a little bit smarter when posting than those kids like alphawolf, 9empire, griffmoney, the logo and so on...
And no, I don't even like Lebron nor his fans but believe me, you Kobe stans are really one strange breed and by far the worst...[/QUOTE]
LMAO
I always support the front of the jersey in all my posts first.
And yes there has now been a "STAN" transition from Kobe to LeBron.
Being that you are hiding you identity is all I need to know about your agenda.
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[QUOTE=tmacattack33]If you think that actually means something, you have no basketball knowledge.
I could just as easily go find the same pic for Cavs vs Detroit 2007 and Miami vs OKC 2012.
And you also used the wrong pic. It's pretty much consensus that Lebron had an amazing series against Orlando in 2009.[/QUOTE]
In 2009 LeBron choked at the end. That was the point. And then he didn;t shake Dwight's hand and stated he did not want to because he was a champion etc. Dude is a douche.
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[QUOTE=crisoner]In 2009 LeBron choked at the end. That was the point. [B]And then he didn;t shake Dwight's hand and stated he did not want to because he was a champion etc[/B]. Dude is a douche.[/QUOTE]
Which has been proven to be one of the most ridiculous sports media blitzes ever.
Since then, we have learned of many other non handshakers and we've even seen some in the past 2 years since then (Rondo this yr...KG too I believe, etc), yet the media just chose not to say a word about those incidents.