MVP & DPOY 2017 Edition

MVP Through week 2:

1: Alex Smith
2: Derek Carr
3: Hunt
4: Matt Stafford
5: Trevor Siemen



HM: Matt Ryan



DPOY:

1: Campbell
2: Keuchly
3: Geno
4: Demarcus Lawrence
5: Terrell Suggs (flashback!)

Hunt is number 1

Smith's numbers look good but it's obvious Hunt was the MVP in games 1 and 2.

Alex was the same Happy foot mother ****er against the Eagles front line and could only muster up 6 points in the first half... if not for the KC D and Hunt in the second half, it would've been a bad loss. Kelce was a monster too

lol @ the thought of Alex ****ing Smith winning an MVP. So ridiculous. Carr will probably win



And how is Justin Houston not on your DPOY list? Are you retarded?

I was very impressed with the way Stafford played in those first two games. The betting odds for Stafford for MVP are currently around 50/1... I might have to put a couple bucks on that.

Tom Brady

I told y'all on here than Trevor siemian is dope, A poor mans A Rod a long time ago.


:blackfist

[QUOTE=Nanners]I was very impressed with the way Stafford played in those first two games. The betting odds for Stafford for MVP are currently around 50/1... I might have to put a couple bucks on that.[/QUOTE]
I would not recommend that lol

the lions have a tough schedule and should drop at least 5-6 games.

[QUOTE=TheSilentKiller]I would not recommend that lol

the lions have a tough schedule and should drop at least 5-6 games.[/QUOTE]

yeah the schedule doesnt exactly look friendly, but stafford has already played well against 2 teams that both seem to be pretty solid defensively.

anyway at 50/1 its kinda supposed to be a longshot :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Nanners]yeah the schedule doesnt exactly look friendly, but stafford has already played well against 2 teams that both seem to be pretty solid defensively.

anyway at 50/1 its kinda supposed to be a longshot :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
word. his odds opened at 90/1 iirc, i actually did consider betting on it then lol

Strength of schedule at the start of the season based on last years records is almost meaningless.

Some "bad" teams will be good and vice versa. QBs get injured...things change and go in unexpected ways.

[QUOTE=~primetime~]Strength of schedule at the start of the season based on last years records is almost meaningless.

Some "bad" teams will be good and vice versa. QBs get injured...things change and go in unexpected ways.[/QUOTE]
The packers 2x, falcons, bucs, steelers, and ravens all look good right now, this has nothing to do with last year

[QUOTE=TheSilentKiller]The packers 2x, falcons, bucs, steelers, and ravens all look good right now, this has nothing to do with last year[/QUOTE]
With the Packers it must be based on last year, they just got crushed. Bucs have played one game.

I mean maybe the Lions will end up with an extremely difficult schedule, or maybe not...it's just too early to know that imo.

[QUOTE=~primetime~]With the Packers it must be based on last year, they just got crushed. Bucs have played one game.

I mean maybe the Lions will end up with an extremely difficult schedule, or maybe not...it's just too early to know that imo.[/QUOTE]
You really think the Packers aren't a good team? Are you serious?

[QUOTE=TheSilentKiller]You really think the Packers aren't a good team? Are you serious?[/QUOTE]
You said it has "nothing to do with last year"

I was telling you if you think the Packers are good it has to be based on last year, because the last we saw them this year was getting their asses kicked.

what are you guys even arguing about? the packers are pretty much always good.

[quote]The packers 2x, falcons, bucs, steelers, and ravens all look good right now, this has nothing to do with last year[/quote]

also 2x vikings

[url]http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/234722/2017-nfl-strength-of-schedule[/url]

Lions are ranked 21 in SoS

But we won't know their actual SoS until the year plays out and all injuries have happened.

My point is it shouldn't really factor into a wager on Matt Stafford

[QUOTE=~primetime~]You said it has "nothing to do with last year"

I was telling you if you think the Packers are good it has to be based on last year, because the last we saw them this year was getting their asses kicked.[/QUOTE]
missing two starting lineman and their top wr, playing against the NFC champion

ok


[QUOTE]My point is it shouldn't really factor into a wager on Matt Stafford[/QUOTE]

Wins for a qb heavily play into the MVP award, lets not kid ourselves.

[QUOTE=TheSilentKiller]missing two starting lineman and their top wr, playing against the NFC champion

ok [/QUOTE]
ok....so you are basing your judgement of them on previous years then correct?


[QUOTE=TheSilentKiller]Wins for a qb heavily play into the MVP award, lets not kid ourselves.[/QUOTE]
I understand wins matter...my point is that we do not yet know if the Lions have it easy or hard compared to the rest of the NFL. It is a certainty that at least some NFL teams are currently being falsely perceived and also a certainty that injuries will affect the landscape.

What NFL Power rankings look like now, and what they look like at the end of the year will be very different. Some good teams will hold their ground, some will not.

[QUOTE=~primetime~]ok....so you are basing your judgement of them on previous years then correct?[/QUOTE]

And winning their opener against a playoff team, retention of key pieces, having top 3 qb.

[QUOTE=~primetime~]
I understand wins matter...my point is that we do not yet know if the Lions have it easy or hard compared to the rest of the NFL. It is a certainty that at least some NFL teams are currently being falsely perceived and also a certainty that injuries will affect the landscape.

What NFL Power rankings look like now, and what they look like at the end of the year will be very different. Some good teams will hold their ground, some will not.[/QUOTE]

i get that too. and this has nothing to do how the lions SOS matches up to the rest of the league. the teams i listed will be tough games for the lions to win based on how teams look right now. if they can't win those games, then stafford won't have a shot at the mvp pretty much regardless of the stats he puts up

Stafford's odds are at 5/1 btw

not 50/1

Vegas has him tied with Brady/Rodgers for the lead...all 5/1

Per Bovada:

Brady: 5/1
Rodgers: 5/1
Stafford: 5/1
Carr: 9/1
Ryan: 10/1
Winston: 10/1
Smith: 20/1
Wilson: 20/1
Hunt: 25/1
Bell: 33/1
Mariota: 33/1
Prescott: 33/1
Roethlisberger: 33/1
Wentz: 33/1
Brown: 50/1
Elliot: 50/1
Newton: 50/1


Of those 'long shot' bets I like Hunt and Smith...I also Ryan at 10/1

Siemian not even listed...I'd take him as a long shot too...maybe you could get in at 100/1 for him or something

[QUOTE=~primetime~]ok....so you are basing your judgement of them on previous years then correct?



I understand wins matter...my point is that we do not yet know if the Lions have it easy or hard compared to the rest of the NFL. It is a certainty that at least some NFL teams are currently being falsely perceived and also a certainty that injuries will affect the landscape.

What NFL Power rankings look like now, and what they look like at the end of the year will be very different. Some good teams will hold their ground, some will not.[/QUOTE]

I have a question for you.

If the Giants miraculously turn this around and end up with 10 wins, why should the shit version the Cowboys and Lions abused boost strength of schedule at the end of the season?

[QUOTE=Charlie Sheen]I have a question for you.

If the Giants miraculously turn this around and end up with 10 wins, why should the shit version the Cowboys and Lions abused boost strength of schedule at the end of the season?[/QUOTE]
yeah that too...week 1 Giants =/= week 17 Giants

I think it is almost pointless to look at SoS

Maybe toward the end of the year it becomes meaningful...but right now at week 2? there is little point in trying to figure out who's schedule is the hardest...in my opinion anyway. Shit changes week to week in this league.

Also...as of right now there are only a handful of teams that I would label as 'easy wins'...Jets, Colts w/o Luck, Browns, maybe a couple others. Every team has a hard road, and whoever wins MVP will have beaten hard competition.

[QUOTE=~primetime~]Stafford's odds are at 5/1 btw

not 50/1

Vegas has him tied with Brady/Rodgers for the lead...all 5/1[/QUOTE]

i guess i was looking at foreign sports books, where staffords odds are varied depending on what site you are looking at. i thought 50/1 seemed like the average based on this aggregator.

[url]https://www.oddschecker.com/american-football/nfl-specials/regular-season/regular-season-mvp[/url]

1. Tom Brady

[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]1. Tom Brady[/QUOTE]
Will always be number 1

Brady better get it this year. No more freaking bullshit excuses like last year's total bullshit of, "you can't win MVP if you play 12 games".

He was robbed last year, and he clearly is MVP so far this year. They better not rob him again.

Carbine, you should do a ROY for O/D too. This years class looks great. Especially the RBs. My boy Cohen has proven to be a HUGE steal.

[QUOTE=Euroleague]Brady better get it this year. No more freaking bullshit excuses like last year's total bullshit of, "you can't win MVP if you play 12 games".

He was robbed last year, and he clearly is MVP so far this year. They better not rob him again.[/QUOTE]
He wasn't robbed last year. There was another quarterback who had an amazing season. Matt Ryan was the MVP and VERY deservedly so.

Brady is the favorite right now though for sure.

After him I'd honestly have to look at Stafford. 8 game winning drives last year, could have had another against a very very good team today. He's legit and I think people are starting to take notice. If they win the division and 10/11 games he'd be tough to ignore.

Derek Carr is 3rd.

[QUOTE=Euroleague]Brady better get it this year. No more freaking bullshit excuses like last year's total bullshit of, "you can't win MVP if you play 12 games".

He was robbed last year, and he clearly is MVP so far this year. They better not rob him again.[/QUOTE]
3 games into the season and he's clearly the MVP already??? :roll: How is he clearly when he got whooped week 1 at home?

Stay delusional.

KAREEM HUNT IS CLEARLY THE MVP.

Best RB in the game.

Leader in yards, touchdowns, and YPC.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

MVP Through week 3:

1: Alex Smith
2: Hunt
3: Tom Brady
4: Goff
5: Lawrence



HM: Mat Stafford



DPOY:

1: Lawrence
2: Ingram
3: Houston
4: Jalen Ramsey
5: Campbell

I'm pretty shocked at Lawrence so far. What a start.

Doesn't look like a fluke start either.

If tha patriots make the playoffs with this defense Brady should be the obvious choice

Alex Smith front runner for MVP right now.

This is gonna be hilarious when he wins it :applause: All you ph@gs discrediting him over the years calling him a game manager and saying this and that despite the fact the dude continues to ball out and win. It's the problem in this fantasy age where people think throwing 300+ passing yards is defined as good QB but struggle in other areas.

Well first off the term 'game manager' needs to stop being viewed as a negative, that's essentially what Brady is. Why is it considered bad for a QB to go through the motions like he is supposed to rather than go off script? The only time a QB needs to go off script is when the line collapses and Alex Smith improvises fantastic on his feet.

Game managing being seen as a bad thing has always been stupid.

[QUOTE=~primetime~]Well first off the term 'game manager' needs to stop being viewed as a negative, that's essentially what Brady is. Why is it considered bad for a QB to go through the motions like he is supposed to rather than go off script? The only time a QB needs to go off script is when the line collapses and Alex Smith improvises fantastic on his feet.

Game managing being seen as a bad thing has always been stupid.[/QUOTE]
game manager implies you have all the pieces around you to be a successful team, so long as the qb doesn't **** up. a game managers role isn't to win you games, it's to not lose you games.

in a league that glorifies and vilifies quarterbacks, it only makes sense that a game manager is viewed as bad.

[QUOTE=~primetime~]Well first off the term 'game manager' needs to stop being viewed as a negative, that's essentially what Brady is. Why is it considered bad for a QB to go through the motions like he is supposed to rather than go off script? The only time a QB needs to go off script is when the line collapses and Alex Smith improvises fantastic on his feet.

Game managing being seen as a bad thing has always been stupid.[/QUOTE]
a GM QB is essentially a QB who plays conservative so he neither wins your or lose games for you

You can't rely on a GM's arm to win you games, ala Prescott right now

and Brady hasn't been a game manager in years, and he goes off the script multiple times in a game lol, it's called audibles

To me a game manager is a QB that doesn't go off script and just sticks to what the play was designed to do...there is no running around gun slinging.

Basically it's a QB doing wtf they are supposed to be doing.

To me, Brady is the ultimate game manager...and that is NOT a bad thing. He is doing what he is supposed to do.

Being reckless and wild should be seen as the negative...but it isn't because when it works it is the most entertaining thing to watch so fans praise it.

Yeah a GM is what a QB was supposed to do like 30 years ago, the game changed and offenses focused on gun slinging and what not. What Matt Ryan did last year isn't consider game managing, but he almost had no control of the the play calling, so by your definition he was a game manager.

Essentially a GM is what an ideal QB would be 30-40 years. A guy who plays in a run heavy offense where his arm is rarely used to win games

[QUOTE=knickballer]Alex Smith front runner for MVP right now.

This is gonna be hilarious when he wins it :applause: All you ph@gs discrediting him over the years calling him a game manager and saying this and that despite the fact the dude continues to ball out and win. It's the problem in this fantasy age where people think throwing 300+ passing yards is defined as good QB but struggle in other areas.[/QUOTE]
Hes making more clutch plays than I've ever seen him make in his career this year. He still panics quite a bit under pressure but I have no complaints with his play so far.

It doesn't change that he's constantly outplayed and over matched by other AFC QBs in the playoffs and that will continue this year. Chiefs will win around 12 games again and yet he will lose to the patriots or Steelers because Brady/big Ben are that much better.

If Smith is actually an MVP caliber QB then he has no excuses not to win it all because he has the most help of any QB in the league.


We will see.


Personally I think Hunt is the MVP of the Chiefs and the NFL.