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Duncan21formvp 01-26-2012 05:28 PM

Isiah Thomas/Bill Russell or Walt Frazier/Kareem
 
Which duo would you rather have?

Owl 01-26-2012 06:50 PM

Re: Isiah Thomas/Bill Russell or Walt Frazier/Kareem
 
Kareem and Frazier. Because they were both great at both ends. To me Kareem is the better center (but I can see why someone would go for Russell) and Frazier is the better pg (and I can't see why anyone would prefer Thomas).

Odinn 01-26-2012 06:55 PM

Re: Isiah Thomas/Bill Russell or Walt Frazier/Kareem
 
Frazier would torture Zeke. Arguably goat defender at pg position. He can shut down Zeke. But it can not be said for Kareem-Russell. I think Kareem's offensive weapons too much to handle for anyone. Even for the goat defender.

I'd take Frazier&Kareem.

Scholar 01-26-2012 07:36 PM

Re: Isiah Thomas/Bill Russell or Walt Frazier/Kareem
 
Frazier & Kareem.

I don't think this even needs any explanation. They're the obvious choice.

Zenji 01-26-2012 07:37 PM

Re: Isiah Thomas/Bill Russell or Walt Frazier/Kareem
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scholar
Frazier & Kareem.

I don't think this even needs any explanation. They're the obvious choice.


This.

Pushxx 01-26-2012 07:46 PM

Re: Isiah Thomas/Bill Russell or Walt Frazier/Kareem
 
How Isiah Thomas gets underrated around here these days makes me sad.

Bill Russell has been underrated in this entire era so it's not a surprise to me.

oolalaa 01-26-2012 07:52 PM

Re: Isiah Thomas/Bill Russell or Walt Frazier/Kareem
 
In a 2v2, I would have to go with Kareem/Frazier. Russell's skills and intangibles lend themselves perfectly to 5 on 5 but not so much for a 1v1 or 2v2. Kareem would probably be too much to handle.

And the exact same can be said for Isiah. He would find it hard being guarded by an all time great defender in Frazier.

BUT...

In a regular 5 on 5, I'm taking Russell and Isiah. They are both born leaders. They are both insanely competitive. They both make everyone around them better. They are both clutch (yes, Kareem and Frazier are clutch, but i think they are just a notch behind Russell and Isiah).

Their styles would compliment each other nicely. Russell would defend and rebound. Isiah would pass and score. Surround them with the right players and they would be tough to beat.

D-Wade316 01-26-2012 09:35 PM

Re: Isiah Thomas/Bill Russell or Walt Frazier/Kareem
 
Russell and Isiah.

32Dayz 01-26-2012 09:39 PM

Re: Isiah Thomas/Bill Russell or Walt Frazier/Kareem
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scholar
Frazier & Kareem.

I don't think this even needs any explanation. They're the obvious choice.


:applause:

Whoah10115 01-26-2012 10:07 PM

Re: Isiah Thomas/Bill Russell or Walt Frazier/Kareem
 
Walt Frazier is better than Isiah Thomas? Do people not know who Isiah Thomas is?



Not thinking of it as 2v2, Isiah and Russell are clearly the right choice. Like someone else said, you could make the case for either Kareem or Russell...however, that person was stupidly wrong when saying the opposite about taking Isiah over Walt. Isiah is clearly the better player, come on.

bizil 10-06-2012 04:26 AM

Re: Isiah Thomas/Bill Russell or Walt Frazier/Kareem
 
I would take Frazier-Cap. If anything due to Kareem over Bill. Russ is an icon no doubt, but Kareem at his peak is arguably the GOAT. Even over Wilt or MJ.

In terms of Clyde vs. Zeke, u have two PG's who have different styles. Clyde was more versatile because he was 6'4 and could defend PG, SG, and many SF's in his era. But Isiah was a better passer and just as good or even a better scorer. In terms of PG's, Isiah could dominate a game offensively better than any PG other than Magic or Big O. And Magic and Big O happen to be big ass PG's who used size as a major part of their domination. Isiah used pure skill, speed, and heart to dominate and didn't have the advantage of size. Not knocking Big O or Magic because they were highly skilled too. But Isiah pound for pound was as great a player who has ever laced them up in my opinion. At 6'1, Isiah could dominate scoring like AI but drop dimes like Stockton all in one. Something that AI or Stockton at that size couldn't really master. Tiny and Paul at that size come the closest to Isiah's level in that sense at that size.

Smoke117 10-06-2012 04:30 AM

Re: Isiah Thomas/Bill Russell or Walt Frazier/Kareem
 
Frazier/Kareem and quite easily.

WillC 10-06-2012 07:45 AM

Re: Isiah Thomas/Bill Russell or Walt Frazier/Kareem
 
This is an interesting and difficult decision.

Bill Russell's limited offense means that I'd choose Walt Frazier and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar if it was a game of 2-on-2.

However, assuming I was building a team around one of the duos, I'd go with Bill Russell and Isiah Thomas. I think they'd compliment each other perfectly. Isiah was one of the greatest offensive point guards of all-time. Imagine if he had Bill Russell setting screens and watching his back on defense? Isiah would have offensive freedom like Cousy did to run the fastbreak. Russell is one of the few centers to possess the athleticism to keep up with a fastbreak style of offense.

Math2 10-06-2012 07:47 AM

Re: Isiah Thomas/Bill Russell or Walt Frazier/Kareem
 
Easily Russell/Thomas

stax 10-06-2012 08:21 AM

Re: Isiah Thomas/Bill Russell or Walt Frazier/Kareem
 
2-on-2, I'd go with size (thus Clyde and Cap) but the legendary fire and competitiveness of both Thomas and Russell wouldn't exactly make it easy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WillC
However, assuming I was building a team around one of the duos, I'd go with Bill Russell and Isiah Thomas. I think they'd compliment each other perfectly. Isiah was one of the greatest offensive point guards of all-time. Imagine if he had Bill Russell setting screens and watching his back on defense? Isiah would have offensive freedom like Cousy did to run the fastbreak. Russell is one of the few centers to possess the athleticism to keep up with a fastbreak style of offense.


This. A well-drilled team built around Zeke and Russell would be ****ing beautiful on fast breaks.

Kblaze8855 10-06-2012 09:21 AM

Re: Isiah Thomas/Bill Russell or Walt Frazier/Kareem
 
A Russell/Isiah team would have so much will to win it would probably spill over to its fanbase and the city they played for would become the economic capital of the country.

Whoah10115 10-06-2012 04:05 PM

Re: Isiah Thomas/Bill Russell or Walt Frazier/Kareem
 
Isiah and Russel, quite easily.



Picking Kareem and Frazier sounds odd. Frazier is not as good as Isiah. Not at all. Maybe I would take Bucks Kareem over Russell, but overall Russell was the greater player. And regardless of who one would choose, it's a lot closer than Isiah and Frazier.

L.Kizzle 10-06-2012 04:13 PM

Re: Isiah Thomas/Bill Russell or Walt Frazier/Kareem
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Whoah10115
Isiah and Russel, quite easily.



Picking Kareem and Frazier sounds odd. Frazier is not as good as Isiah. Not at all. Maybe I would take Bucks Kareem over Russell, but overall Russell was the greater player. And regardless of who one would choose, it's a lot closer than Isiah and Frazier.

Frazier not as good as Zeke? His 36 and 19 in game 7 vs. Jerry West tells us otherwise.

Freedom Kid7 10-06-2012 04:32 PM

Re: Isiah Thomas/Bill Russell or Walt Frazier/Kareem
 
I'm taking Zeke and Russell due to the fact the motivation to win would be ridiculous, and with an offensive guy who could score or pass and a guy who could defend like no other they'd make a great tandem. Their styles complement each other much more than Kareem and Fraizer do.

Whoah10115 10-06-2012 04:32 PM

Re: Isiah Thomas/Bill Russell or Walt Frazier/Kareem
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by L.Kizzle
Frazier not as good as Zeke? His 36 and 19 in game 7 vs. Jerry West tells us otherwise.




I think there's a lot of revisionist history going on with Isiah. I think he's clearly the better player. I always thought he was well-regarded as the 3rd best PG ever. I don't see any reason to change.

L.Kizzle 10-06-2012 04:36 PM

Re: Isiah Thomas/Bill Russell or Walt Frazier/Kareem
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Whoah10115
I think there's a lot of revisionist history going on with Isiah. I think he's clearly the better player. I always thought he was well-regarded as the 3rd best PG ever. I don't see any reason to change.

I have Zeke over Frazier, but it's not easily.

Only reason people really put Zeke over Frazier is because it was his Pistons team. The Knicks weren't really his, it was either Reed's or he shared the headlines with Reed. Yet, I consider Frazier slightly better than Reed.

oolalaa 10-06-2012 05:12 PM

Re: Isiah Thomas/Bill Russell or Walt Frazier/Kareem
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by L.Kizzle
Frazier not as good as Zeke? His 36 and 19 in game 7 vs. Jerry West tells us otherwise.


Frazier didn't have 19 assists in game 7. The box score lied. The scorekeepers fudged the total.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=953IPz0fJcA

The absolute maximum number of assists I could give him is 11, but 2 of those are very borderline, and 1 occured with mere seconds remaining.

SHAQisGOAT 10-06-2012 05:35 PM

Re: Isiah Thomas/Bill Russell or Walt Frazier/Kareem
 
Frazier/Kareem, great both ways players, Isiah/Russ not quite, that simple for me.


Russ is better than Kareem defensively but that big of a gap, the gap offensive is bigger for Kareem. Isiah's better offensively than Frazier but not that big of gap, defensively the gap is bigger for Frazier.

Russ brings incredible intangibles and Isiah was clutch and had a big will to win but I think I would pick Frazier/Kareem.


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