[B]Vince Carter[/B] was voted the #90 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops.
21.4 PPG | 5.1 RPG | 3.9 APG
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[B]Vince Carter[/B] was voted the #90 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops.
21.4 PPG | 5.1 RPG | 3.9 APG
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Vince carter??? Wtf??? His career is a failure.!!!!
Any how
Mitch Richmond
Lenny Wilkens
[QUOTE=DirtySanchez]Vince carter??? Wtf??? His career is a failure.!!!!
Any how
Mitch Richmond[/QUOTE]
And how is Richmond's not a failure then if Carter's was? How many sub .500 teams has Richmond led? How many times has he missed the playoffs? And please don't mention his '02 ring when he averaged 1.5 ppg in the playoffs.
I'll go with Andrew Toney again.
Chet Walker.
For all the advanced stat junkies, a fine post by Neil Paine below. In 1967 (based on 2008-09 adjustment) his ORtg was 122, equal to LeBron, and ahead of Kobe, Wade, & Nash. Chris Paul was slightly ahead (124).
[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=2938[/url]
[I]One thing that's interesting to me about the 1970s Bulls is the presence of a guy named Chet Walker. Walker has to rank as one of the most underrated players in league history, and I can't for the life of me understand why -- the man was a 3-time NCAA All-American, a 7-time NBA All-Star, he was super durable (he played the max number of games 5 times and only missed 13 games between 1965 & 1974), he scored almost 20,000 career points and averaged 20.3 per 36 minutes, and was one of the league's most efficient scorers to boot (top 10 in TS% for 5 seasons, top 10 in FT% 6 years). If we convert his Basketball on Paper stats to the 2008-09 offensive environment of 108.3 points per 100 possessions, this is what you get:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/HU5xf.png[/img]
Those efficiency numbers would have statheads drooling if Walker put them up nowadays. But for some reason, Walker is so underrated that his name doesn't even come up frequently in discussions of underrated players... [B][SIZE=3]He's even too underrated to appear on "all-underrated" lists![/SIZE][/B]
The HOF process also rewards players who won championships, as well as those who made strong bids in the MVP award balloting. As we mentioned earlier, Walker's Bulls never won a title, and when he did get a ring, it was as a third banana (behind Wilt Chamberlain & Hal Greer on the 1967 76ers). Meanwhile, Walker's best showing in the MVP voting was a measly tie for 16th in 1975.
[B][SIZE=3]Don't let the reputation (or lack thereof) fool you, though: Walker was a terrific player, especially at his peak. His raw stats may be solid if unspectacular, but his advanced metrics -- his per-minute rates and his efficiency numbers -- are very impressive.[/SIZE][/B][/I]
[i]Chicago Tribune - Nov 2, 1990
"Chet was a great one-on-one player and a great clutch player; one of the most underrated clutch performers to play the game," says ex-teammate Jerry Sloan.[/i]
[i]November 23, 2005
[b]Billy Cunningham:[/b] Dr. J would match up against Chet Walker. Julius was obviously better in the open court offensively than Chet and a better shot blocker. Chet was a better one-on-one player offensively and would probably try to post up Julius and do things like that.
[b]*You mentioned that Chet Walker was a better one-on-one player than Julius Erving offensively and you said that Julius was better in the open court. In what way was Chet Walker better one-on-one? I think that in a lot of people
Carmelo Anthony
Mitch Richmond
Tom Heinsohn
Mitch Richmond
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]And how is Richmond's not a failure then if Carter's was? How many sub .500 teams has Richmond led? How many times has he missed the playoffs? And please don't mention his '02 ring when he averaged 1.5 ppg in the playoffs.[/QUOTE]
Was that Richmonds fault he was on bad teams in Sac and Was. He stilled shined and was one of the best players in the NBA. Carter got injured......a lot! Him and TMac are would of could of type careers.
Tim Hardaway
Carmelo Anthony
Carmelo Anthony
Carmelo Anthony
Tom Heinsohn
What a ****ed up list....:wtf:
[QUOTE=DirtySanchez]Was that Richmonds fault he was on bad teams in Sac and Was. He stilled shined and was one of the best players in the NBA.[/QUOTE]
You can pretty much say the same thing for Vince Carter in Toronto. His New Jersey teammates were better, but were still pretenders without no inside threats.
[QUOTE]Carter got injured......a lot![/QUOTE]
This is a myth. I would direct that maybe to someone like Grant Hill or Jermaine O'Neal.
There are only 2 seasons in which Carter missed a significant number of games due to injury:
1999: 50 games (maximum number of games possible due to lockout)
2000: 82 games
2001: 75 games (7 missed)
2002: 60 games (22 missed + 5 in the playoffs)
2003: 43 games (39 missed)
2004: 73 games (9 missed)
2005: 77 games (5 missed)
2006: 79 games (3 missed)
2007: 82 games
2008: 76 games (6 missed)
2009: 80 games (2 missed)
2010: 75 games (7 missed)
2011: 73 games (9 missed)
2012: 61 games (5 missed; Only 66 games possible due to lockout)
And hasn't missed games so far.
Not including this season, he's missed 119 (regular season and playoffs) of a possible 1046 games. Again, significant for a 2 year stretch. Ever since that time, he's been relatively healthy.
I think the main reason why people think he's injury prone is because he was thought of as faking injuries.
mitch richmond
Carmelo.
Vince Carter > Mitch Richmond, easily. In early and mid 00's Carter was a beast. In early 00's it was a coin toss between Kobe,Carter & T-Mac. So you do the math.
Mitch Richmond was great and probably most underrated stars of his time..but Carter was the guy makes you think he can be as good as Jordan one day.
For guys who couldn't watch prime Carter..there is a great channel on youtube. [url]http://www.youtube.com/user/vc15encyclopedia[/url] :bowdown:
Bob Dandridge
[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/dandrbo01.html[/url]
Mick Richmond, you guys are clueless if you don't know about him..
[COLOR="White"]I know it's Mitch.. I am gay today.[/COLOR]
Penny Hardaway
Carmelo Anthony
What about Kevin Johnson?
[QUOTE=BIZARRO]I'll go with Andrew Toney again.[/QUOTE]
Toney was a nice player, but no where near close a top 100 player. 8 seasons played, about 5 healthy, three years as a starter, 2 All-Star games as the 4th best player on your team does not equal #91 greatest player of All-Time.
Lenny Wilkens, once again.