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The Cavaliers will retire Zydrunas Ilgauskas' No. 11 jersey March 8 against the New York Knicks.
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why?
[QUOTE=StateProperty]why?[/QUOTE]
If you remember, he won MVP for the rookie game.
[QUOTE=StateProperty]why?[/QUOTE]
Probable to piss off Lebron? Dan Gilbert is a salty hoe.
Main factor must be loyalty and dedication, was quality player aswell despite in many cases career ending foot injuries.
That is too much.
Teams retires waaay too many numbers. Its pathetic.
:biggums:
What has this scrub accomplished???????
[QUOTE=aj1987]Probable to piss off Lebron? Dan Gilbert is a salty hoe.[/QUOTE]
Lol, shut up. Not every move the Cavs make is related to LeBron.
[QUOTE=TheReal Kendall]:biggums:
What has this scrub accomplished???????[/QUOTE]
Z has meant a lot to the city and the franchise. Sometimes accolades aren't the most important thing. If anyone deserves this, it's him.
[QUOTE=Uncle Drew]Lol, shut up. Not every move the Cavs make is related to LeBron.[/QUOTE]
I was being sarcastic. Dan Gilbert is still a salty hoe doe.
[QUOTE=Uncle Drew]Z has meant a lot to the city and the franchise. Sometimes accolades aren't the most important thing. If anyone deserves this, it's him.[/QUOTE]
Didn't he leave when Lebron left??? :facepalm
[QUOTE=TheReal Kendall]:biggums:
What has this scrub accomplished???????[/QUOTE]
16 year tenure with the Cavs.
2 time all star.
All-Rookie first team and Rookie game MVP.
17/9 with 2 blocks on 47% was his best season but even that came after multiple foot surgeries. Warrior and fan favorite in all his years.
I'm sure there's worse candidates.
At least he made an Allstar team. A lot more understandable than the Spurs retiring Bruce Bowen's number.
[QUOTE=TheReal Kendall]Didn't he leave when Lebron left??? :facepalm[/QUOTE]
So what?
[QUOTE=MP.Trey]16 year tenure with the Cavs.
2 time all star.
All-Rookie first team and Rookie game MVP.
17/9 with 2 blocks on 47% was his best season but even that came after multiple foot surgeries. Warrior and fan favorite in all his years.
I'm sure there's worse candidates.[/QUOTE]
He played 12 years with the Cavs though.
[QUOTE=Uncle Drew]So what?[/QUOTE]
No. He was actually expected to retire. LeBron convinced him to come play for the Heat because they felt they could win.
Almost all Cavalier fans hold much respect for Big Z. I'm glad he came out to be a solid center in his career and he kept at it even with the early food injuries.
He was awesome on tip-backs and had a wet 18 foot J for a 7'3" 260 pound center.
[QUOTE=CJ Mustard]At least he made an Allstar team. A lot more understandable than the Spurs retiring Bruce Bowen's number.[/QUOTE]
Bowen was a defensive specialist.
He meant way more to the Spurs than Big Z did with the Cavs.
Bowen's defense was key in those 3 rings
Z is #1 in franchise history in just about every category that LeBron isn't #1 in. Definitely well deserved for one of my favorites :cheers:
[QUOTE=Sakkreth]Main factor must be loyalty and dedication, was quality player aswell despite in many cases career ending foot injuries.[/QUOTE]
Foot injuries really set him back, but had played pretty healthy after he got totally healthy and was a one of the top centers in the league for a little while.
[QUOTE=Meticode]No. He was actually expected to retire. LeBron convinced him to come play for the Heat because they felt they could win.
Almost all Cavalier fans hold much respect for Big Z. I'm glad he came out to be a solid center in his career and he kept at it even with the early food injuries.
He was awesome on tip-backs and had a wet 18 foot J for a 7'3" 260 pound center.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying y'all don't respect him but IMO he hasn't done much for his jersey to be retired.
[QUOTE=TheReal Kendall]Bowen was a defensive specialist.
He meant way more to the Spurs than Big Z did with the Cavs.
Bowen's defense was key in those 3 rings[/QUOTE]
Still doesn't change the fact that Z > Bowen.
Pretty pathetic. Cleveland has enough unworthy retired numbers as it is
[QUOTE=TheReal Kendall]I'm not saying y'all don't respect him but IMO he hasn't done much for his jersey to be retired.[/QUOTE]
It depends on the franchise and the quality of players that come through the organization. Obviously he played for a team like the Celtics or Lakers he wouldn't have his number retired, but Cleveland doesn't see to many players come through their organization that are good players. Much less stay with the same team for 12 straight years which is almost unheard of now-a-days.
Personally, I think he deserves it to be retired for the Cavaliers franchise. He was a great player minus the foot injuries, showed dedication and respect.
[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]Pretty pathetic. Cleveland has enough unworthy retired numbers as it is[/QUOTE]
Sorry. Cleveland doesn't get the Michael Jordans, Kobe Bryants and Larry Bird's of the world.
Oh wait, we did. And he left. Nevermind.
[QUOTE=Meticode]Still doesn't change the fact that Z > Bowen.[/QUOTE]
Bowen was way more of a difference maker.
[QUOTE=Meticode]Sorry. Cleveland doesn't get the Michael Jordans, Kobe Bryants and Larry Bird's of the world.[/QUOTE]
So that means you guys should retire Bingo Smith's number? Or 2 years of Nate Thurmond?
Ilgauskas was a Cav for many years and was extremely loyal. Doctors told him in 2000 to retire, but he kept playing. He missed all of 1996-97 and played in just 29 games from 1999-2001. Then add his wife giving birth to stillborn twins and he went through a lot. It's not like he was a scrub. He was pushing a double-double with almost 2 BPG at his peak. He deserves to have his number retired. Couldn't have happened to be a better guy. :applause:
[QUOTE=jstern]He played 12 years with the Cavs though.[/QUOTE]
My bad. I meant to put 14 which would be counting since his draft date to his leaving the team. He did however miss 2 (and chunks of other) seasons due to injuries.
[QUOTE=Meticode]Sorry. Cleveland doesn't get the Michael Jordans, Kobe Bryants and Larry Bird's of the world.
Oh wait, we did. And he left. Nevermind.[/QUOTE]
That's true but that still doesn't mean that they have to retire mediocre players.
Might as well retire Mo Williams jersey also.
[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]So that means you guys should retire Bingo Smith's number? Or 2 years of Nate Thurmond?[/QUOTE]
I don't know about those guys, but I feel Z 100% should have his number retired as a Cavalier. Period.
[QUOTE=TheReal Kendall]That's true but that still doesn't mean that they have to retire mediocre players.
Might as well retire Mo Williams jersey also.[/QUOTE]
Only played a few seasons with Cleveland, not worthy. Z is worthy of it.
If Andy V is able to stay healthy for four or five more years, he'll probably get his jersey retired too. In fact, I am almost 100% sure he will.
[QUOTE=TheReal Kendall]That's true but that still doesn't mean that they have to retire mediocre players.
Might as well retire Mo Williams jersey also.[/QUOTE]
Mo Williams was a Cav for 2 1/2 seasons. Z was there for 14, was a solid 15-16/8 2 BPG player and was a multiple time All-Star.
[QUOTE=Uncle Drew]If Andy V is able to stay healthy for four or five more years, he'll probably get his jersey retired too. In fact, I am almost 100% sure he will.[/QUOTE]
Hope not, even with what you mentioned.
[QUOTE=Meticode]Hope not, even with what you mentioned.[/QUOTE]
I'm fully expecting him to. He's already going into his 10th year as a Cavalier, that's a lot. Might have an All Star appearance or two at that time too. I think he would deserve it, if he can stay healthy, of course.
[QUOTE=Uncle Drew]I'm fully expecting him to. He's already going into his 10th year as a Cavalier, that's a lot. Might have an All Star appearance or two at that time too. I think he would deserve it, if he can stay healthy, of course.[/QUOTE]
Geez! I feel sorry for Cavs fans.
Andy V getting his jersey retired is a bigger joke than Big Z.
[QUOTE=Uncle Drew]I'm fully expecting him to. He's already going into his 10th year as a Cavalier, that's a lot. Might have an All Star appearance or two at that time too. I think he would deserve it, if he can stay healthy, of course.[/QUOTE]
Z's career was supposed to be over in 2000. He had multiple foot surgeries and bounced back to be a top 5(or borderline) center at his best and an All-Star. Varejao's best staistical seasons, he only played in 25 games each time. And he's not nearly as respected as Ilgauskas.
[QUOTE=D.J.]Z's career was supposed to be over in 2000. He had multiple foot surgeries and bounced back to be a top 5(or borderline) center at his best and an All-Star. Varejao's best staistical seasons, he only played in 25 games each time. And he's not nearly as respected as Ilgauskas.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I know. As I said in a previous post, Z has meant a lot to both the city and the franchise. But if Andy could get to those 15 years (which I think he won't), he might have a case.
He was an all star who played there for a decade. Besides, who else do they have to retire other than price?
[QUOTE=Uncle Drew]Yeah, I know. As I said in a previous post, Z has meant a lot to both the city and the franchise. But if Andy could get to those 15 years (which I think he won't), he might have a case.[/QUOTE]
Even if he did, just hasn't done enough on or off the court. He didn't even crack double digit points until the lockout season. 15 seasons isn't going to matter. He's 31 coming off a major injury and hasn't done anything significant in any full season he's played.