Why Carmelo Anthony should leave the NY Bricks

#1. We suck- do I really need to explain further? Ok I will. Our team is terrible and we only have maybe 2 players who can improve...and it ain't looking foor for Shumpert.

#2 Our fan base sucks- MSG has been horrendous. It's full of rich snobs now. The atmosphere has been dead lately. I blame it on the ticket prices. Furthermore, only in NYC on the Knicks can you lead your team in scoring and rebounding...yet have fans blame YOU for the reason you suck. Despite taking the team to the playoffs, where they didn't even sniff in the years before. Despite leading the league in scoring. Despite being 2nd highest played and outplaying the 1st in your sleep. Despite having an overrated bum like Chandler on your roster. Despite these seeing with their own eyes your GM doing NOTHING in the offseason...somehow, it's his fault in the eyes of many.

#3 Chandler and Amare's contract- We have 2 more years of these scrubs. They aren't getting any better (or healthier). Chandler misses games because of colds and Amare's knees are pretty much toilet tissue right now.

#4 Mike Woodson- I understand why Melo and the rest of the guys are loyal to this dude but c'mon. He just doesn't understand basketball enough to bring us a championship. His schemes are fatally flawed, he has no understanding of how to substitute and he seems to think a 40 yr old Jason Kidd and Pablo Prigioni is a good idea at starting sg.

#5 His legacy- People will continually being up that he is the only player in the top 5 of that draft class not to win a ring but #1 3 of those players played together so that's very unfair. #2 Wade really is the only person who earned his ring by himself. #3 Milicic getting a ring is the equivalent of me going to Jared and buying an engagement ring lol That being said, championships, fairly or unfairly, define legacies nowadays.

#6 Knicks front office- Whether Rameek's theory is right and "nobody wants to be here" or my theory is correct that "we have lazy GM's" ...our GM's have not consistently brought in talent or developed any. There's no reason to believe we will bring in anyone that will significantly improve us.

[B]I dont want him to leave personally. I dont want him to opt out and get max money. Stat was here when they traded for him so he knew already the guy was here healthy or not with that salary. The only person that was added after the fact was Chandler who knows if he was ok with it.

I think personally Stat or Chandler or both has to go for him to even consider staying here.

I think he should go because this is a poorly run organization. They have no basketball people in the front office no plan or vision to win, or establishing a championship atmosphere.[/B]

I would leave merely off the fact that every solid PG we've had we've shipped out in the last 2 decades. And they were BORN in NYC.

Marbury
Strickland
Jackson

I agree...he should leave.

Wish he demand a trade and do it now.

[QUOTE=knickscity]I agree...he should leave.

Wish he demand a trade and do it now.[/QUOTE]

Coming from the guy who loved him some Josh Harrelson and Jared Jeffries :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=franchize]I would leave merely off the fact that every solid PG we've had we've shipped out in the last 2 decades. And they were BORN in NYC.

[B]Marbury[/B]
Strickland
Jackson[/QUOTE]
Are you sure about Starbury? J.R. Smith reminds me of Starbury on and off the court. I'm just waiting for someone to follow him around with a camera and film him eating Vaseline.

[QUOTE=MightyWhitey]Are you sure about Starbury? J.R. Smith reminds me of Starbury on and off the court. I'm just waiting for someone to follow him around with a camera and film him eating Vaseline.[/QUOTE]
Say what you will about his off the court antics. He was a 20 and 7 PG until he came here. The New York Knicks is where careers come to die. We haven't done anything positive for any quality players career in forever. Maybe since Clyde.

[QUOTE=franchize]Say what you will about his off the court antics. He was a 20 and 7 PG until he came here. The New York Knicks is where careers come to die. We haven't done anything positive for any quality players career in forever. Maybe since Clyde.[/QUOTE]
Patrick Ewing. His career in ny was positive.

[QUOTE=MightyWhitey]Patrick Ewing. His career in ny was positive.[/QUOTE]
Because he was a great player. Not because the Knicks helped him in any way. Every time he got a good PG they replaced him with a worse one. And don't even get me started on what a team with Mark Jackson and Bernard King with Patrick Ewing could have been.

I don't really care who's going to leave anymore.

I WANT EVERYBODY GONE. Players,coaching staff,front office.

Knicks have been a mess for the past decade (even more) and it starts from the top.

Franchize I'll say it with no bones about it. You are more than 100% right. Melo will just waste his career in this city. And he already has. They surrounded him with a bunch of bums and we have posters on here who would be content with getting names like Telfair here :rolleyes: :facepalm

This organization needs to follow the Indiana Pacers blue print imo. However long it will take NY'ers can wait a few years longer.

[B]Actually who believes the Knicks will actually get anything good for Melo?

This team is damned with Melo and damned without Melo.[/B]

[QUOTE=Rameek][B]Actually who believes the Knicks will actually get anything good for Melo?

This team is damned with Melo and damned without Melo.[/B][/QUOTE]
Trade him to a team willing to trade a draft pic between 1-4 in the first round and start rebuilding.

If the Knicks are going to just let amare and chandler expire and not replace them, then yes he should leave

If the Knicks are going to continue to pay big money then why would he leave. He's going to extend at max- how many realistic possibilities are there for teams willing to trade for him and then will be willing to pay as much as possible to attempt to build a winner.

He made his own bed getting himself to the New York Knicks. If he walks away now the hit to his image will be even worse than it is now (unless he took another team to a title).


It's crazy to to think so many here would rather start over before even trying build around Carmelo's game. (Not the perimeter game he may like, but his actuall abilities which are much different than the other star 3's in the game right now)


This team needs a coach and a gaurd- it doesn't need to run off its best player just because he is not Lebrun or Durant

[QUOTE=MightyWhitey]Franchize I'll say it with no bones about it. You are more than 100% right. Melo will just waste his career in this city. And he already has. They surrounded him with a bunch of bums and we have posters on here who would be content with getting names like Telfair here :rolleyes: :facepalm

This organization needs to follow the Indiana Pacers blue print imo. However long it will take NY'ers can wait a few years longer.[/QUOTE]

hey hey hey...I liked Telfair lol He chose to make that Chinese money which is more lucrative than being an NBA journeyman nowadays. Can't blame him when your home state shits on you to sign a bum like Pablo Prigioni.

Another sad thing about the Knicks is, even if we were to get a top 5 pick in this upcoming draft, it still may not yield the expected results.

#1 When's the last time we've drafted a superstar? Patrick Ewing?

#2 There's a bunch of rumors suggesting that at least 3 of the "can't miss" prospects may return for their sophomore seasons...maybe longer.

#3 While the freshman have been good, I can't say any have impressed me as much as Melo did when he was at Syracuse lol. I guess maybe Parker.

#4 While Knickscity is smitten at the thought of Melo's departure, only a fool would think he is our biggest problem. We still have Amare and Tyson. Two HUGE contracts and very little production from either. We still need a coach. We still need a PG. We still have a horrendous front office who overpays for bums and can't bring in young, healthy talent on a consistent basis.

"I know I'm supposed to leave Melo alone, but dude is always hurt when you need him.

Phil please renounce his rights when he opts out.

Good guy, not a player you want if winning is your goal."

Carmelo Anthony averages more points, rebounds and blocks, less turnovers...shoots better from the free throw line and 3 point line than they consensus best player in the league this year....but yea. He's the problem. It's dumb ass comments like this which is why we have a shitty fan base. Guy played more minutes than every player in the entire NBA, n it's his fault for not timing his injury around our feeble playoff push. LeBron James gets days of rest. D Wade gets days of rest. The entire Spurs team gets days of rest. Amare Stoudemire even gets days of rest. Melo....nope. Show me a player who hasn't had a bad stretch of basketball this season, and I'll show you a player who hasn't played. I've seen people on this board make excuses for Chandler being sick but Melo can't have 2 bad games in a row despite re-injuring his shoulder.



[Coach Woodson on @carmeloanthony: "He's hurting right now, but I couldn't rest him. He's giving us all he has.]

[QUOTE=franchize]"I know I'm supposed to leave Melo alone, but dude is always hurt when you need him.

Phil please renounce his rights when he opts out.

Good guy, not a player you want if winning is your goal."

Carmelo Anthony averages more points, rebounds and blocks, less turnovers...shoots better from the free throw line and 3 point line than they consensus best player in the league this year....but yea. He's the problem. It's dumb ass comments like this which is why we have a shitty fan base. Guy played more minutes than every player in the entire NBA, n it's his fault for not timing his injury around our feeble playoff push. LeBron James gets days of rest. D Wade gets days of rest. The entire Spurs team gets days of rest. Amare Stoudemire even gets days of rest. Melo....nope. Show me a player who hasn't had a bad stretch of basketball this season, and I'll show you a player who hasn't played. I've seen people on this board make excuses for Chandler being sick but Melo can't have 2 bad games in a row despite re-injuring his shoulder.



[Coach Woodson on @carmeloanthony: "He's hurting right now, but I couldn't rest him. He's giving us all he has.][/QUOTE]
Welcome back first and foremost, I actually made that comment because I knew it would drive you to post, even though you visit the the board often anyway.

But here's the deal, compare Carmelo Anthony to Carmelo Anthony.

He isnt LeBron...LeBron has led garbage to the finals.

So has Dwight Howard, so has Dirk, even Wade has won as the best player on his team.

This isnt about his talent, every player in the NBA has talent....give Nick Young 20 shots he'll get you 20 points....even JR Smith is averaging 28 points in the month so far.

But will you win?

But Carmelo Anthony does not make a TEAM better, and sorry fam, I root for the Knicks, not the Carmelo Anthony's....but i definitely will continue to send my younger kids to his camp, if he is still here.

It doesnt take long to see what he is....a good player, a great man, not a great player, just better than average who wants to be paid more than the best....and he'll surely make the hall of fame due to his non NBA accomplishments.

He certainly could take games off, nothing is stopping him, the team sucks with him.

This isnt about Tyson...Tyson isnt opting out of his contract, Tyson isnt the alleged best player of the team, and Tyson doesnt make 23 million dollars either....Tyson isnt looking to get a new deal taking him to age 35 either.

i've already called Tyson garbage before, and he certainly takes night off with his uniform on....but Tysons job isnt to carry the team to wins.

I dont care if melo's hurt...he's always hurt, he's been hurt every season he's played with us since the trade, and these "injuries" always seem to pop up when his shooting goes to trash ....but the difference is, he's hurting the team when he plays hurt and is too stupid to sit his inefficient ass down.

His iq as a player is no better than a nightlight behind a couch.

We lose whether he plays or not, so whats the difference?

If what he does isnt good enough, then disperse that money into smaller parts that can collectively do better or get a guy who can do better....never settle.

Is this really the dude you wanna invest the next 5 years with that can only play good basketball for half a game?

The numbers dont lie in the second halves his shooting is below 40%.

He's 2-17 in the clutch for the last two years.

Be mad fam, but facts dont lie....he's not that dude.

Everything I've said was about numbers as well. And how do I "visit the site quite often." I pop my head in a few times to see wassup with the guys Ive grown to appreciate over the years. Not like I'm spying on the board or anything lol

Dude you regurgitate the same shit you hear "analyst" say and act like you know more basketball than everyone else.

Every person you mentioned has a better team than this Knicks team. You act like Chandler makes chump change. You also act like Melo is the highest paid player on the team. I haven't seen you say one thing about Amare opting out. You also act like he's faking injuries. He actually was supposed to have shoulder surgery and opted out so he could play. He woulda went as far as going under the knife to prove a point to Knickscity right? Bottom line is, you've repeatedly come at my "knowledge of the game" in the past. I just wanted to quickly point out how "smart" you are with a few #s of my own.

He might not be "that dude" to you, but when you are better in that many statistical categories than the best player in the world, and your teammates still aren't "better" then maybe they suck. And I guess he had nothing to do with us winning over 50 games last year right? Funny how you mention Nick Young, but when I was advocating us signing him, all you cared about was us bringing back Shitioni. Ha. Compare THOSE numbers. Has nothing to do with me being "mad at you". Has everything to do with you insulting my intelligence, but saying things like "Carmelo Anthony is garbage" and "Pablo Prigioni is a perfect PG for the triangle" and "Pablo Prigioni is clearly the best PG on this team". :roll: Says a lot about your bball IQ...not mine.

Sucks because I really liked posting here but somewhere along the way you really started feeling yourself. We're all every day dudes with every day jobs and lives. Somewhere, you decided being mod made you an analyst...despite the fact that you just repeat shit you heard guys like Mike Breen and Steve Kerr say. I've gone back and forth with guys like Rameek and Bano about things all the time. Opinions are opinions. But when you started acting like I don't know shit about basketball, or suggesting I only root for Melo and not the team....when I've been a Knicks fan my entire life AND have been posting here LONG before Melo even got here, THAT is where I fell back. I'm not gonna retaliate and say you don't know shit...but let's not forget your favorite Knicks since I've been here have been Josh Harrelson, Pablo Prigioni and Jared Jeffries.


btw, Melo had an AWFUL game. Remind me what Prigioni's stat line was in his glorious 17 minutes of play though. And then remind me how different that is compared to any other Prigioni performance. But Melo is "garbage"

[QUOTE=franchize]Everything I've said was about numbers as well. And how do I "visit the site quite often." I pop my head in a few times to see wassup with the guys Ive grown to appreciate over the years. Not like I'm spying on the board or anything lol

Dude you regurgitate the same shit you hear "analyst" say and act like you know more basketball than everyone else.

Every person you mentioned has a better team than this Knicks team. You act like Chandler makes chump change. You also act like Melo is the highest paid player on the team. I haven't seen you say one thing about Amare opting out. You also act like he's faking injuries. He actually had shoulder surgery. He went as far as going under the knife to prove a point to Knickscity right? Bottom line is, you've repeatedly come at my "knowledge of the game" in the past. I just wanted to quickly point out how "smart" you are with a few #s of my own.

He might not be "that dude" to you, but when you are better in that many statistical categories than the best player in the world, and your teammates still aren't "better" then maybe they suck. And I guess he had nothing to do with us winning over 50 games last year right? Funny how you mention Nick Young, but when I was advocating us signing him, all you cared about was us bringing back Shitioni. Ha. Compare THOSE numbers. Has nothing to do with me being "mad at you". Has everything to do with you insulting my intelligence, but saying things like "Carmelo Anthony is garbage" and "Pablo Prigioni is a perfect PG for the triangle" and "Pablo Prigioni is clearly the best PG on this team". :roll: Says a lot about your bball IQ...not mine.

Sucks because I really liked posting here but somewhere along the way you really started feeling yourself. We're all every day dudes with every day jobs and lives. Somewhere, you decided being mod made you an analyst...despite the fact that you just repeat shit you heard guys like Mike Breen and Steve Kerr say. I've gone back and forth with guys like Rameek and Bano about things all the time. Opinions are opinions. But when you started acting like I don't know shit about basketball, or suggesting I only root for Melo and not the team....when I've been a Knicks fan my entire life AND have been posting here LONG before Melo even got here, THAT is where I fell back. I'm not gonna retaliate and say you don't know shit...but let's not forget your favorite Knicks since I've been here have been Josh Harrelson, Pablo Prigioni and Jared Jeffries.


btw, Melo had an AWFUL game. Remind me what Prigioni's stat line was in his glorious 17 minutes of play though. And then remind me how different that is compared to any other Prigioni performance. But Melo is "garbage"[/QUOTE]

Let me know when Pablo makes 23 mil and plays 38 minutes a game.:roll:

Lets get the cat out the bag...your gripe against me is I talk about his inability to drive the team to WINS.

If I slobbed on Melo every day, you'd have no offense.

Say what you will, but all I care about is wins, i want everyone gone...I've stated that since the beginning of the season.

I'm not pulling to keep anyone on the team.

Find one post where I've questioned your basketball knowledge and I will formally apologize, but I do like you.

I dont care for accusations without facts to back them up.

[QUOTE=knickscity]Let me know when Pablo makes 23 mil and plays 38 minutes a game.:roll:

Lets get the cat out the bag...your gripe against me is I talk about his inability to drive the team to WINS.

If I slobbed on Melo every day, you'd have no offense.

Say what you will, but all I care about is wins, i want everyone gone...I've stated that since the beginning of the season.

I'm not pulling to keep anyone on the team.

Find one post where I've questioned your basketball knowledge and I will formally apologize, but I do like you.

I dont care for accusations without facts to back them up.[/QUOTE]

That's actually not true at all. I have no issue with criticism of any player. In fact, I myself have criticized Melo on numerous occasions. I just think things should be kept in perspective. And if me being liking the clear cut best player on our team makes me a "dickrider" in anyone's eyes, they can have their opinion. And if Pablo played 38 minutes a game and was paid 20 million, he still still would average the same amount of points. He's played the majority of the season and has been to the FT line like 11 times :oldlol: I think Cole Aldrich has more attempts.

I've stated my stance on the matter numerous times. I just grow weary of NY fans massacring quality players the few times we get them, and letting other guys who are grossly over paid and over rated slip under the radar (see Tyson Chandler, Pablo Prigioni, Steve Novak). My issue also is, on the list of who deserves blame, Melo should be at the bottom because he's contributed more for the Knicks than anyone on this team. Yet he seems to be public enemy #1. If he moves up the latter because of his contract, then why isn't Amare getting bashed more? Amare takes self imposed rest days whenever he wants. Passes far less than Melo when he does get in the game. Plays FAR less defense. Rebounds less. Makes documentaries about himself on the eve of playoff series in which he's not participating in. Gets injured punching an extinguisher...then goes to the media yesterday talking about how he doesn't get the ball enough. He's also ripped his coach for not playing him more. Like he's not on a minutes restriction for a reason. Oh yea...and he makes more than Melo. Tyson Chandler makes 14 million dollars and averages less blocks per game than Andrea Bargnani. Averages ONE more rebound per game than Melo. Dollar for dollar, Melo's production FAR surpasses them. My only issue has been the lack of consistency among the criticism. One guy clearly stepped up his play this year. Can't really say that for any other player on the Knicks. Yet said player is usually the blame for lack of wins. Like we didn't just come off a 54 win season. If you're gonna examine wins, but not examine the real reasons why we aren't winning, then what are we really talking about.

As for what you said, I remember it but I do not remember where it is posted as it was a while ago. Nor do I want a "formal apology." Not that serious. Besides, who the **** am I to request you to apologize to me? It is what it is.

That's my quarterly for the year. I've reached my quota lol. To anyone reading this. I pop my head in from tme to time. I still enjoy you guys posts. Not trying to steer you away from here but I frequent a new site called ThreetotheDome. com which is run with a Disqus chat style so responses are a little bit more instantaneous. Myself and a bunch of other Knicks fans write articles there sometimes if you wanna check it out. Once again, not trying to stop you from coming here though. Just take a look in the meantime. Peace

Comparing a pg to a center using ft attempts.

But anway, find the post, if you can rant about being offended put in the work to prove it.

[QUOTE=knickscity]Comparing a pg to a center using ft attempts.
[/QUOTE]
No. I'm comparing a player who plays 20 minutes a game and has played 62 games to a guy who plays 5 minutes per game and has played 42 games. If it makes you feel better, compare FT attempts of Toure Murry and Pablo Prigioni. :confusedshrug:

Matter fact. Don't. You win. Pablo Prigioni is the best PG we've had since Clyde Frazier lol

[QUOTE=franchize]No. I'm comparing a player who plays 20 minutes a game and has played 62 games to a guy who plays 5 minutes per game and has played 42 games. If it makes you feel better, compare FT attempts of Toure Murry and Pablo Prigioni. :confusedshrug:

Matter fact. Don't. You win. Pablo Prigioni is the best PG we've had since Clyde Frazier lol[/QUOTE]
Fam, youre the one upset. I didnt go into hide mode, you did, but i can see you.

And the only reason you posted is to defend Melo, the post is proof.

Ive stated plenty of times i want all these guys gone.

Every single one.

But the schitck with you is comical....

The star shoud be praised even when they dont win anything.

Sorry. Not about that life.

[QUOTE=knickscity]Fam, youre the one upset. I didnt go into hide mode, you did, but i can see you.

And the only reason you posted is to defend Melo, the post is proof.

Ive stated plenty of times i want all these guys gone.

Every single one.

But the schitck with you is comical....

The star shoud be praised even when they dont win anything.

Sorry. Not about that life.[/QUOTE]

Hide mode? :oldlol: I CLEARLY said I'd come here from time to time but I'd fall back from posting as much. I said this in multiple post. And that's exactly what happened. Correct or incorrect? Once again, kinda feeling yourself aren't you? I don't have a "schtick". I've also defended Marbury when I felt people unfairly put all the blame on him. I also defended Wilson Chandler who I felt didn't get the respect he deserved. These are just opinions. Nobody is petitioning for these guys lol I thought this was the point of the forum. To share opinions :confusedshrug: Nobody said anyone should be praised. I simply said, and I repeat, I think fans should be consistent and don't be a hypocrite. You chose otherwise. I chose to go elsewhere more often and post here less often. I still read you guys posts from time to time, because, as I said before, I value a lot of you guys opinions. But to act like I'm secretly dickriding you like some thirsty broad on Facebook is a joke. I did exactly what I said I was gonna do. Not that serious yo.

[QUOTE=franchize]Sucks because I really liked posting here but somewhere along the way you really started feeling yourself. We're all every day dudes with every day jobs and lives. [/QUOTE]
Not me, I'm better than all of you.

Observe: :dancin

I only care about wins. I want everyone gone.


That is the dumbest outlook. To think that to win games you should start all over and it will magically jump the getting better part and go straight from terrible to great.


You are saying it's not worth going and getting the guys to do the things Carmelo can't. Rather start over until you have one better than everyone talent. Or it's not even worth trying.


You are almost done w amare and chandler and don't want to try to get a guy or two. You'd rather need to get 3 or 4?

[QUOTE=el gringos]I only care about wins. I want everyone gone.


That is the dumbest outlook. To think that to win games you should start all over and it will magically jump the getting better part and go straight from terrible to great.


You are saying it's not worth going and getting the guys to do the things Carmelo can't. Rather start over until you have one better than everyone talent. Or it's not even worth trying.


You are almost done w amare and chandler and don't want to try to get a guy or two. You'd rather need to get 3 or 4?[/QUOTE]
This team is not a guy or two away from winning anything mraningful, unless were getting lebron and durant.

[B]If the Knicks didnt overpay Jax to come here I would have gladly been all for a total redo. This team has never built a team properly since Ewing. At some point this team should develop their own drafted players to build around.

With that said. I pray Jax doesnt overpay Melo to come back. If he opts out and wants over 20 mill per then I think the Knicks need to go in a different direction.

So to clarify I dont think he should opt out and I dont mind resigning him for a reasonable price.

As much as I dont think Melo is the best player to build around he is here and I dont know if and when the Knicks will even come close to getting that good of player in the near future. This guy needs major help for this team to be anything remotely close to a contender and if he is going to eat that much cap space and not really put this team in contention then his salary should reflect that.

Its hard to buy a roster of players and the Knicks need to realize that ASAP. [/B]

[QUOTE=knickscity]This team is not a guy or two away from winning anything mraningful, unless were getting lebron and durant.[/QUOTE]
Nah, dragic and Ryan Anderson would do. Kevin love and a decent starting gaurd

[QUOTE=el gringos]Nah, dragic and Ryan Anderson would do. Kevin love and a decent starting gaurd[/QUOTE]
[B]This is not fantasy basketball you need to have assets to make trades for players unless its a clear salary dump or problem child.[/B]

[QUOTE=el gringos]Nah, dragic and Ryan Anderson would do. Kevin love and a decent starting gaurd[/QUOTE]
Nice players, not enough for something meaningful.

I want every single person gone besides shumpert and hardaway Jr. Management staff everything

[QUOTE=Draz]I want every single person gone besides shumpert and hardaway Jr. Management staff everything[/QUOTE]
[B]The first bad sign about that is Steve Mills will be retained. We will see how much purge will happen or how many people can Jax hire without having his staff pushed on him by Dolan. [/B]

[QUOTE=Draz]I want every single person gone besides shumpert and hardaway Jr. Management staff everything[/QUOTE]
I hope you get your wish.