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Mysterious Death of Elisa Lam
Anyone been following this story? Reminds me of the movie Dark Water.:eek:
[QUOTE]LOS ANGELES (KTLA) — The Canadian woman last seen at a downtown hotel nearly three weeks ago was found dead in a water tank at the top of the building Tuesday, the Los Angeles Times is reporting.
The Times
says a worker at the Cecil Hotel on Main Street discovered the body of Elisa Lam, 21, about 10 a.m. while responding to a complaint about low water pressure, sources said.
Elisa Lam of Vancouver, British Columbia was last seen at the Cecil Hotel on 640 S. Main Street January 31.
Lam, who was traveling alone, had been in contact with her parents daily until her disappearance.
Lam's body was found in one of four tanks that supply the hotel with water.
The location is being treated as a crime scene but sources familiar with the case said it was too early to tell whether Lam was the victim of foul play.
Lam, of Vancouver, Canada, arrived in Los Angeles on
Jan. 26 and was last seen Jan. 31 at the Cecil Hotel at 640 S. Main St, police said.
Lam's final destination was believed to be Santa Cruz; her reasons for visiting California were unclear.
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[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/20/elisa-lam-dead-body-tourist-found-water-tank-roof_n_2723853.html[/url]
Weird elevator footage before her disappearance: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TjVBpyTeZM[/url] She was acting really strange.. as if someone or something was chasing her.
3 weeks later she's found in the water tank of the hotel?!?! Guests have been drinking / showering from the water tank that her body has been decomposing in. :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:
Guests also reported that the water tasted "funny". They also said that black water came out of the shower in the first 2 seconds.
Couple questions that come to my mind from watching that video:
1. Who the hell was she talking to?!?!
2. Was she on drugs?!?
3. How come the elevator doors won't close?!?!
4. How did she or the murderer have access to the roof?
5. The water towers are 10 feet high. You would need a ladder to get up there. Was it an employee that murdered her?
6. Why was she staying in that hotel by herself?!
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Update:
Weird Google Street view picture of hotel
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/EMicEOZ.png[/IMG]
From Expedia: [url]http://www.expedia.ca/Los-Angeles-Hotels-Cecil-Hotel.h920349.Hotel-Information#reviews[/url]
Someone from Vancouver posted a comment on Feb. 13th saying that the elevators in the hotel were not working! :eek:
[QUOTE]as everyone suggested in the previous posts, the hotel room is awful, the smallest bed room i have ever seem. the private bathroom is small too, you have to put your jaw into the sink when you sit right front on the toilet. the [B]elevator in the hotel had been down for couple of hours in one day[/B].the "free" breakfast need you pay some tips too.
On the other hand, the location are not as bad as been told, yes, there are many African-american homeless-like guys hugging around the area, but it is still safe enough to walk around at night to take transportation or go buy some supplies.[/QUOTE]
Creepy Fact: TB ourbreak in the same area: [url]http://www.torontosun.com/2013/02/23/los-angeles-health-officials-concerned-about-tuberculosis-outbreak-on-skid-row[/url]
Name of test for tuberculosis? LAM ELISA. :biggums:
[B]Elisa Lam's decomposing body in a water supply on Skid Row.
Tuberculosis outbreak in Skid Row.
Test to determine TB: Lam Elisa[/B]
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Also a lot of haunted stories about this hotel on TripAdvisor.. which makes this story extra creepy.
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What is she doing with her hands in that video? That was creepy. :(
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[QUOTE=clipse026]What is she doing with her hands in that video? That was creepy. :([/QUOTE]
People claim she was probably on drugs.. and accidentally made her way up to the roof & drowned in the tank.
Doesn't make any sense imo. Why didn't that elevator door close?!?! Someone from the hall must have been pressing the button to keep it opened..
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Wow, poor girl. Crazy story, but I only have one question.
Was she hawt??
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[QUOTE=n00bie]People claim she was probably on drugs.. and accidentally made her way up to the roof & drowned in the tank.
Doesn't make any sense imo. Why didn't that elevator door close?!?! Someone from the hall must have been pressing the button to keep it opened..[/QUOTE]
She was doing something because that was some strange shit.
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[QUOTE=n00bie]People claim she was probably on drugs.. and accidentally made her way up to the roof & drowned in the tank.
Doesn't make any sense imo. Why didn't that elevator door close?!?! Someone from the hall must have been pressing the button to keep it opened..[/QUOTE]
Also the fact that the door to the roof should have been locked and alarmed is weird. It would point to the involvement of someone on staff or security right?
The fact that people complain about the hotel being haunted makes it sound like some Scooby-Doo sh[COLOR="Black"]i[/COLOR]t right here. Too bad there were no meddling kids on the case.
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[QUOTE=n00bie][B]People claim she was probably on drugs.. and accidentally made her way up to the roof & drowned in the tank.[/B]
Doesn't make any sense imo. Why didn't that elevator door close?!?! Someone from the hall must have been pressing the button to keep it opened..[/QUOTE]
I dunno what kinda drugs u taking
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the problem i have with the whole 'she made her way to the roof, and jumped in the tank herself' theory is...
[IMG]http://www.gotricounty.com/reuters_images/2013-02-19T232756Z_1_CBRE91I1T6O00_RTROPTP_3_USREPORT-US-USA-MISSINGTOURIST.JPG[/IMG]
Did she pop out a ladder, climb it, and then climb in through that tiny latch cover, and then close the lid on top of herself?
[IMG]http://bc.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.1163263!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_960/image.jpg[/IMG]
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this some creepy shit
maybe LSD?
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looking at the investigation pics, she could have easily climbed inside that
my guess: LSD trip, thought she was on fire, hopped in water tank and died
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[QUOTE=OhNoTimNoSho]I dunno what kinda drugs u taking[/QUOTE]
I guess you couldn't tell that I didn't agree with that theory. :facepalm
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[QUOTE=DMV2]How do you explain the elevator not closing, and then finally close after she left?[/QUOTE]
I dunno. I think pressing all the buttons down the middle does something tho, and it looks like that's what she did
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either that or the security staff of that hotel is a bunch of satanists
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[QUOTE=Skywalker]either that or the security staff of that hotel is a bunch of satanists[/QUOTE]
I've read random comments else where on human trafficking. Not sure if there is anything to it though?
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[QUOTE=oh the horror]the problem i have with the whole 'she made her way to the roof, and jumped in the tank herself' theory is...
[IMG]http://www.gotricounty.com/reuters_images/2013-02-19T232756Z_1_CBRE91I1T6O00_RTROPTP_3_USREPORT-US-USA-MISSINGTOURIST.JPG[/IMG]
Did she pop out a ladder, climb it, and then climb in through that tiny latch cover, and then close the lid on top of herself?
[IMG]http://bc.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.1163263!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_960/image.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
On the news last night they said the ladder in the pic is always there for the maintenance crews. The doors on top of the tanks are not locked
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[QUOTE=daily]On the news last night they said the ladder in the pic is always there for the maintenance crews. The doors on top of the tanks are not locked[/QUOTE]
Still can't understand why the elevator doors wouldn't close.. until she left. Seems like either someone had controls of the doors, or someone in the hall was holding onto the elevator button.
I believe the news said they found her body naked. Seems more like a rape / murder case imo.
Also.. she doesn't look like the type of person that would be a drug addict.
[IMG]http://eightasians.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/8A-2013-02-21-ElisaLam.jpg[/IMG]
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[QUOTE=n00bie]Also.. she doesn't look like the type of person that would be a drug addict.[/QUOTE]
Could have been spiked though.
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[QUOTE=miller-time]Could have been spiked though.[/QUOTE]
True.. but that would probably mean that she was murdered after.
I find it funny how the media & the LAPD seem to be leaning towards an "accidental" death rather than actually trying to find a suspect. :confusedshrug:
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That video is FACKED UP!
I would rather prefer a screamer then come to realize that was the real deal. It had an eerie "Ring" feel. I swear I saw that little girl's shadow behind her when she was pushing buttons. After the 2:00 mark what the hell was up with her hands? :eek:
Asians in North America are very impressionable. How did she get to LA to Vancouver on a solo mission? This had to be a weird kidnapping case.
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[QUOTE=hateraid]That video is FACKED UP!
I would rather prefer a screamer then come to realize that was the real deal. It had an eerie "Ring" feel. I swear I saw that little girl's shadow behind her when she was pushing buttons. After the 2:00 mark what the hell was up with her hands? :eek:
Asians in North America are very impressionable. How did she get to LA to Vancouver on a solo mission? This had to be a weird kidnapping case.[/QUOTE]
She went to LA as a tourist. Don't know why she would go herself though. Also find it weird how she had to choose THAT hotel.. heard it was in a bad neighborhood.
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I know some people that went to school with her before.
RIP hope her soul is at peace.
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The hotel is eerie. Look at the reviews, they are either praising it (probably fake) or hating it.
[url]http://www.yelp.com/biz/cecil-hotel-los-angeles[/url]
And apparently Richard Ramirez stayed there in the 80s.
[url]http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/02/21/the-cecil-hotel-what-a-dead-body-in-a-water-tank-does-for-your-yelp-reviews/[/url]
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[QUOTE=n00bie]True.. but that would probably mean that she was murdered after.
I find it funny how the media & the LAPD seem to be leaning towards an "accidental" death rather than actually trying to find a suspect. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
of course the media and LAPD are correct that the death was accidental..... she was known to drive a pickup truck after all
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Seems like she was shrooming or she was bipolar and going through a manic episode, was anything about her medical history released?
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[QUOTE=lefthook00]Seems like she was shrooming or she was bipolar and going through a manic episode, was anything about her medical history released?[/QUOTE]
There are reports surfacing that she had suffered from depression.
Hopefully a toxicology report will shed some light on what happened to her..
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the gesturing w/ the hands was quite creepy. In fact the entire video came across as eerie...
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I was waiting for that elevator scene to happen in The Grudge...creepy...
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Someone probably tried to drug + rape her, and she overdosed. That's my guess.
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[QUOTE=miller-time]The hotel is eerie. Look at the reviews, they are either praising it (probably fake) or hating it.
[url]http://www.yelp.com/biz/cecil-hotel-los-angeles[/url]
And apparently Richard Ramirez stayed there in the 80s.
[url]http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/02/21/the-cecil-hotel-what-a-dead-body-in-a-water-tank-does-for-your-yelp-reviews/[/url][/QUOTE]
Apparently a lot couple serial killers stayed there. They also had some reviews on TripAdvisor saying that hotel was haunted. Something about the TVs turning on / off by itself.
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This is the first I've heard of this.
That was indeed creepy.
My first instinct on the drug front is that she may have been into the ecstacy scene. That will raise your body temp and make you crave water in a way that would make you do something like jump into a water tower. I've jumped off small bridges into streams of unknown depths on that stuff. The problem is is that that is a social drug, and it doesn't make sense she'd be there on her own if that was the scene she was into. That generally goes for most hallucinagenics. Heroine is an isolation drug, but she doesn't strike me as particularly strung out.
The weirdest thing to me is that she was close enough to her family to have contacted them on a daily basis, but no one was sure of the motivation for her trip? I'm a pretty weird dude who does all types of things on my own, and even being quite a bit older than this girl, I still when I go somewhere tell my parents that I'm heading to Chicago, with the end game being to see a Bear game, or I'm gonna be in NY for a few days, with the intention to see a concert or something. This girl is taking a trip for weeks at a time and they don't have any idea why? That's weird.
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also, several serial killers have been known to stay at the motel, including the nightstalker killer
[QUOTE]Hotel with corpse in water tank has notorious past
By Alan Duke, CNN
updated 9:24 AM EST, Fri February 22, 2013
Death of woman found at hotel a mystery
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Cecil Hotel is featured in "Hotel Horrors & Main Street Vice" tour
"It's the place where serial killers stay," a tour guide says
Serial killers Richard Ramirez and Jack Unterweger stayed there while on sprees
It was known for suicide jumpers in the 1950s, '60s, guide says
Los Angeles (CNN) -- The Cecil Hotel's dark past earned it a spot on Los Angeles tours long before a woman's body was found inside its rooftop water tank.
"It's the place where serial killers stay," said tour guide Richard Schave.
Schave and his wife, Kim Cooper, conduct a "true crime and oddities" tour they call "Hotel Horrors & Main Street Vice."
The new mystery surrounding Elisa Lam's death will be added to Cooper's spiel during the tour stops at the Cecil Hotel, she said.
Cooper and Schave have made it their job to compile details on those who have killed or been killed while staying at the Cecil.
The killers
The most famous on their list are serial killers Richard Ramirez and Jack Unterweger.
Photos: Body found in hotel water tank
Woman's body found in hotel's water tank Hotel guests: Discovery 'sickening' Hotel guests: Discovery 'sickening'
Ramirez, known as the "Nightstalker," now resides on California's death row, but in 1985 he was living on the Cecil's top floor in a $14 a night room, Cooper said.
The Cecil, filled then with hundreds of transients living in the cheap rooms, was a good place for Ramirez to go unnoticed as he killed 13 women, Schave said. He was "just dumping his bloody clothes in the Dumpster at the end of his evening and going in the back entrance."
Jack Unterweger worked as a journalist covering Los Angeles crime for an Austrian magazine in 1991 when he moved into the Cecil.
"We believe he was living at the Cecil in homage to Ramirez," Schave said.
He is blamed with killing three prostitutes in Los Angeles while a guest at the Cecil.
The killed
During the 1950s and 1960s, the Cecil had a reputation as a place where people would kill themselves by jumping out upper-floor windows, Cooper said. "It's just what people do when they are at the end of their rope," she said.
Helen Gurnee, in her 50s, leaped from a seventh floor window, landing on the Cecil Hotel marquee on October 22, 1954, Cooper said.
Julia Moore jumped from her eighth floor room window on February 11, 1962, she said. Moore left behind a bus ticket from St Louis, 59 cents and an Illinois bank account book showing a balance of $1,800.
Pauline Otton, 27, jumped from a ninth floor window after an argument with her estranged husband on October 12, 1962, Cooper said. Otton landed on George Gianinni, 65, who was walking on the sidewalk 90 feet below. Both were killed instantly.
Not everyone on Cooper's list committed suicide.
"Pigeon Goldie" Osgood, a retired telephone operator, was found dead in her ransacked room on June 4, 1964, Cooper said. Osgood, known for protecting and feeding the pigeons at nearby Pershing Square, was stabbed, strangled and raped. The crime has not been solved.
Not an ordinary hotel
Schave and Cooper have theories about why the Cecil's past has been so sordid.
It was built in the 1920s as a hotel "for businessmen to come into town and spend a night or two," Cooper said.
But it was soon upstaged by nicer hotels in a better part of town, she said. When the Great Depression hit in the 1930s, it became more of a transient hotel. Eventually, it transitioned into a single room occupancy business, known as an SRO. Long-term tenants rented individual rooms and shared bathrooms with neighboring residents.
"This was just a place where people who were really down on their luck were going," Schave said. "These hotels are filled with people who are at the edge of being integrated in society."
During the 1970s, '80s and '90s, hundreds of people who were "down on their luck" called the Cecil home, he said. "They were all hustling to make ends meet."
"It's not like that any more, of course," Cooper said.
New owners converted three of the floors back to hotel rooms around 2007, but most of the building remains SRO, Schave said.
Another section serves as a hostel that is marketed toward European tourists, he said
It was not clear if Lam was staying in one of the hotel rooms, which offer more privacy, or the hostel.
Repeated calls by CNN to the Cecil Hotel management were not returned Wednesday and Thursday.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=rezznor]also, several serial killers have been known to stay at the motel, including the nightstalker killer[/QUOTE]
Creepy shit going on in that hotel. :eek:
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I feel confident in saying she was drugged...weather or not she did it on her own or her drink was spiked idk
she was naked?...perhaps it will be shown if she was raped or not
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I think there's somebody holding the elevator door open that knew there's a camera in there and wouldn't get into the field of view. It's like at first she's hiding then later she seems to be interacting with somebody in the hallway
Her actions seem to ramp up the longer that door stays open. It's like watching a person come to realize they are in a horrible situation with no way out.
That being said it's a very old elevator and maybe it's just persnickety and her pushing so many buttons jammed it up and she's having some form of moment on her own
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[QUOTE=n00bie]Anyone been following this story? Reminds me of the movie Dark Water.:eek:
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/20/elisa-lam-dead-body-tourist-found-water-tank-roof_n_2723853.html[/url]
Weird elevator footage before her disappearance: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TjVBpyTeZM[/url] She was acting really strange.. as if someone or something was chasing her.
3 weeks later she's found in the water tank of the hotel?!?! Guests have been drinking / showering from the water tank that her body has been decomposing in. :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:
Guests also reported that the water tasted "funny". They also said that black water came out of the shower in the first 2 seconds.
Couple questions that come to my mind from watching that video:
1. Who the hell was she talking to?!?!
2. Was she on drugs?!?
3. How come the elevator doors won't close?!?!
4. How did she or the murderer have access to the roof?
5. The water towers are 10 feet high. You would need a ladder to get up there. Was it an employee that murdered her?
6. Why was she staying in that hotel by herself?![/QUOTE]
1.???
2.Probably
3.Most elevators have a setting that determines how fast the doors close ( in the video they do seem to stay open a long time ( i will have to rewatch the video, not sure exactly how long) They also have Door open and door close buttons....pressing the "door open" button may keep it open longer.
Only the elevator technician can set the time delay, Most elevators also have a " emergency stop button" on the panel where all the Floor buttons are ( in plane sight)....
If you pull out the ESTOP button while the doors are open...then they will remain open until you press it back in.
That's what it looks like happened to me...especially since she bent down and looked at something at the bottom of the panel.
( re watched it....the door closes aoutomatically......couldn't have been the " estop" button...maybe she pressed the Door open button a few times?)
either way...really creepy.
4. She either knew where the roof access was...or she came across it and went up...or someone took her up there.
5.Prolly a ladder already up there....permantley mounted on the tower
6.??
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[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]1.???
2.Probably
3.Most elevators have a setting that determines how fast the doors close ( in the video they do seem to stay open a long time ( i will have to rewatch the video, not sure exactly how long) They also have Door open and door close buttons....pressing the "door open" button may keep it open longer.
Only the elevator technician can set the time delay, Most elevators also have a " emergency stop button" on the panel where all the Floor buttons are ( in plane sight)....
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The elevator could also be in service mode which has to be activated by a key. It's for moving furniture or other things when you don't want the door to close until you want it to. You have to push and hold the floor button down until the door closes to use the elevator
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[QUOTE=daily]The elevator could also be in service mode which has to be activated by a key. It's for moving furniture or other things when you don't want the door to close until you want it to. You have to push and hold the floor button down until the door closes to use the elevator[/QUOTE]
can you make it close from the service room? ( outside the actual elevator)
the video shows the doors closing automatically.....with no one inside the elevator.
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Anybody saying that lsd or mushrooms caused this have apparently never take. LSD or mushrooms