I think its clear at this point. Jim loves bynum too much, mitch loves pau too much. FA's can't play here because we don't have money.
Alright. Lakers next year, 6th seed? 7th? Taking predictions. I hope we get out of the 1st round.
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I think its clear at this point. Jim loves bynum too much, mitch loves pau too much. FA's can't play here because we don't have money.
Alright. Lakers next year, 6th seed? 7th? Taking predictions. I hope we get out of the 1st round.
Pretty much.
[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]I think its clear at this point. Jim loves bynum too much, mitch loves pau too much. FA's can't play here because we don't have money.
Alright. Lakers next year, 6th seed? 7th? Taking predictions. I hope we get out of the 1st round.[/QUOTE]
stop being a sensitive drama queen...its not even 12mid night yet...and ur already PMSing that the lakers are not getting anyone...
did u even had a freaking idea last year when the lakers almost pulled off that cp3 trade?
Mitch tried to trade Gasol last summer. If he's not traded before training camp, it's because there weren't any legitimate offers. I hate to say it, but the market for an old, overpaid power forward who has played like shit for two straight playoff runs is rather low.
They will continue to fade into irrelevancy if they don't make some kind of move. Last season was proof that just Bryant, Bynum and Gasol alone won't get you very far. Are they really going to waste Kobe's possible last chances at a title with this unsuccessful formula? Doubt it.
[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]I think its clear at this point. Jim loves bynum too much, mitch loves pau too much. FA's can't play here because we don't have money.
Alright. Lakers next year, 6th seed? 7th? Taking predictions. I hope we get out of the 1st round.[/QUOTE]
Sadly, I agree with you. Man, what do you think is going through Kobe's head?
[QUOTE=TMT]They will continue to fade into irrelevancy if they don't make some kind of move. Last season was proof that just Bryant, Bynum and Gasol alone won't get you very far. Are they really going to waste Kobe's possible last chances at a title with this unsuccessful formula? Doubt it.[/QUOTE]
I'm not trying to hate or anything but I do think this line of thinking is funny coming from a Spurs fan.
[QUOTE=Lakers_Kobe_Fan]stop being a sensitive drama queen...its not even 12mid night yet...and ur already PMSing that the lakers are not getting anyone...
did u even had a freaking idea last year when the lakers almost pulled off that cp3 trade?[/QUOTE]
And everything they've done since that is proof that it ruined them. They had their swan song. Its over man. It scared them into being very cautious, they don't go for home run anymore, they stand on the sideline. 12 mid night doesn't matter we have no cap space, it HAS to be a bynum or pau trade.
[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]Mitch tried to trade Gasol last summer. If he's not traded before training camp, it's because there weren't any legitimate offers. I hate to say it, but the market for an old, overpaid power forward who has played like shit for two straight playoff runs is rather low.[/QUOTE]
Except we should be willing to trade him for lesser value. We LOSE with pau bynum kobe no bench or pg. How about getting a mediocre pg and bench? Lets expect more from bynum. Lets make it so that kobe can be rested and ask him to be clutch in the 4th but RESTED not after playing 40 min. Decent pg and athletic bigs. Lets try it. Why can't we get josh smith? Beasley and derrick williams? Why not trade bynum for something, anything and ask pau to see if he still has it?
The lakers have been scared into sticking with something that doesn't work 100% because its risky to try something that has a 50% chance of working.
[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]And everything they've done since that is proof that it ruined them. They had their swan song. Its over man.
Except we should be willing to trade him for lesser value. We LOSE with pau bynum kobe no bench or pg. How about getting a mediocre pg and bench? Lets expect more from bynum. Lets make it so that kobe can be rested and ask him to be clutch in the 4th but RESTED not after playing 40 min. Why can't we get josh smith? Beasley and derrick williams? Why not trade bynum for something, anything and ask pau to see if he still has it?
The lakers have been scared into sticking with something that doesn't work 100% because its risky to try something that has a 50% chance of working.[/QUOTE]
I'd rather trade Bynum. I know Gasol is the older player and he's had two disappointing playoff runs, but we've seen how good he can be. And anyway, were 3-4 years from Kobe's retirement... and given what we've seen from Bynum he's not going to be our next franchise player, either because he's not good enough or he can't stay healthy. I want to see us trade Bynum and see if Kobe and Gasol can lead us to another 'ship before they retire.
[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]And everything they've done since that is proof that it ruined them. They had their swan song. Its over man. It scared them into being very cautious, they don't go for home run anymore, they stand on the sideline. 12 mid night doesn't matter we have no cap space, it HAS to be a bynum or pau trade.
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keep p1ssing them...I am not here..to write and comfort u ..to make you feel better about the lakers
I trust in LA ownership and FO that they will do right things to get us to be championship level again...
[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]I'd rather trade Bynum. I know Gasol is the older player and he's had two disappointing playoff runs, but we've seen how good he can be. And anyway, were 3-4 years from Kobe's retirement... and given what we've seen from Bynum he's not going to be our next franchise player, either because he's not good enough or he can't stay healthy. I want to see us trade Bynum and see if Kobe and Gasol can lead us to another 'ship before they retire.[/QUOTE]
I like that idea. I'd rather start with NOTHING once kobe is done and use the lead the lakers back to glory selling point to lure whoever the best player at the time is here in free agency.
Bynum should be able to net you 3 rotational players. ANYTHING is better than watching the same team again.
[QUOTE=Lakers_Kobe_Fan]keep p1ssing them...I am not here..to write and comfort u ..to make you feel better about the lakers
I trust in LA ownership and FO that they will do right things to get us to be championship level again...[/QUOTE]
I hope you're right. I just don't think they have the stones to blow this team up. I think it would have happened already.
[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]I hope you're right. I just don't think they have the stones to blow this team up.[/QUOTE]
they do have the stones to do it...but they are not going to give away their players...like pau for Scola/lowry or Pay for Derrick Williams
heck the lakers rejected already Pau for Josh smith....
if they dont get anyone is there a point to even watch them this season :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=Lakers_Kobe_Fan]I trust in LA ownership and FO that they will do right things to get us to be championship level again...[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]I like that idea. I'd rather start with NOTHING once kobe is done and use the lead the lakers back to glory selling point to lure whoever the best player at the time is here in free agency.
Bynum should be able to net you 3 rotational players. ANYTHING is better than watching the same team again.[/QUOTE]
For all his flaws, Bynum has a lot of value around the league. He may be injury prone and immature, but he's a 7'1 monster with a ridiculous wingspan and a strong work ethic. At worst we'd get back a young, athletic player, which is something we really need.
I'd like Mitch to call up Orlando and offer Bynum and Gasol for Howard. I know that's a lot of talent to give up, but Howard has proven to be a franchise player. I don't know if we'd seriously compete with Kobe, Howard, and a bunch of scrubs, but it would make rebuilding a lot easier once Kobe's contract comes off the books, and I imagine Howard's star power would draw interest from potential role players.
[QUOTE=Lakers_Kobe_Fan]they do have the stones to do it...but they are not going to give away their players...like pau for Scola/lowry or Pay for Derrick Williams
heck the lakers rejected already Pau for Josh smith....[/QUOTE]
Would you really rather go into this season with the same guys that got wrecked last year or sign sessions and trade pau for josh smith then beasley for hill?
I dont know why the lakers turned that down. Its a home run. Who knows how dwight feels about coming here with josh then? Take the chance. Ugh.
Scola and lowry is a bad idea but I like derrick williams and whoever else minny gives.
Gasol WILL be traded. Though I don't really want it to happen... I hope we get back a promising young PF who can shoot / get cheap points from rebounding, young PG who can shoot and play D, & a consistent scorer for the bench.
Id love to have a Varejao type of guy at PF.
[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]For all his flaws, Bynum has a lot of value around the league. He may be injury prone and immature, but he's a 7'1 monster with a ridiculous wingspan and a strong work ethic. At worst we'd get back a young, athletic player, which is something we really need.
I'd like Mitch to call up Orlando and offer Bynum and Gasol for Howard. I know that's a lot of talent to give up, but Howard has proven to be a franchise player. I don't know if we'd seriously compete with Kobe, Howard, and a bunch of scrubs, but it would make rebuilding a lot easier once Kobe's contracts come off the books, and I imagine Howard's star power would draw interest from potential role players.[/QUOTE]
Howard isn't willing to resign so all that would do is give up everything and howard could leave at the end of the year. Risky. We won't be able to get anyone either. Now if you get yourself josh smith for pau, howards bestie, then you put in bynum maybe howard wants to come here a little more and says trade me to lakers or im leaving.. which they will gladly do.
With that said, I'd still rather see what kobe and howard can do in one year than watch these slobs stuff their square pegs into a circle again.
You guys still have the black mamba... While you guys won't be as interesting or fun to watch as these new teams that are forming, y'all still can't be underestimated, even without any big FA signings. If you guys need a PG we can give you Chalmers & Cash considerations for Bynum. Get it done, Riley!
Oh and fire Mike Brown.
They better get something, keeping this team the same isn't gonna cut it. Doesn't really matter who it is to me, either Gasol or Bynum, as long as we get some good pieces in return. C'mon Mitch!!!!
[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]Would you really rather go into this season with the same guys that got wrecked last year or sign sessions and trade pau for josh smith then beasley for hill?
I dont know why the lakers turned that down. Its a home run. Who knows how dwight feels about coming here with josh then? Take the chance. Ugh.
Scola and lowry is a bad idea but I like derrick williams and whoever else minny gives.[/QUOTE]
miami showed us last year...that even if you are 3 of the top 10 players in the league...it will take time to gel and play with each other
Lakers are looking to create a bench right now and they seriuosly think thats what they were missing and i agree with them
thats why u hear names like Mayo/Hawes/humpries/N young/beasy linked to the lakers
and seriously thats what they need
[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]Howard isn't willing to resign so all that would do is give up everything and howard could leave at the end of the year. Risky. We won't be able to get anyone either. Now if you get yourself josh smith for pau, howards bestie, then you put in bynum maybe howard wants to come here a little more and says trade me to lakers or im leaving.. which they will gladly do.[/QUOTE]
Where is Howard going to go? I'd rather do that trade and risk Howard leaving. I have a hard time believing he'd be willing to give up $20 million dollars, "Showtime," AND playing with another superstar. That would be extremely difficult to walk away from.
I don't like the Gasol/Smith trade, but I'm not totally against it. At least Smith plays hard. He'd instantly make this team better because he's a better defender than Gasol and he'd give us more than 12/10 in the playoffs. With that said, his ceiling would be much lower and I'm not sure he'd fit with Kobe and Bynum. He would do very badly off the ball and spotting up for jump shots.
[QUOTE=Lakers_Kobe_Fan]miami showed us last year...that even if you are 3 of the top 10 players in the league...it will take time to gel and play with each other
Lakers are looking to create a bench right now and they seriuosly think thats what they were missing and i agree with them
thats why u hear names like Mayo/Hawes/humpries/N young/beasy linked to the lakers
and seriously thats what they need[/QUOTE]
I wish we had 3 top 10 players in the league. We have 1.
Not worried, although I hate D-leaguer scrubs get minutes in LA. This year was just too much to swallow with Barnes, Ebanks, Blake, Sessions, Murphy and Mcbob...
I'll emphasize that I think we need to find a guy who can play off the ball or whose role isn't defined as a scorer. Kobe and Bynum are very gifted at their respective crafts, but both guys are ball stoppers and it throws everyone else out of rhythm. If we do trade Gasol, I think the only way this team becomes a championship contender is if the guy coming back is a deadly spot up shooter and can move without the ball. Given that there are very few players who can do that, I would rather trade Bynum and see if playing in the post rejuvenates Gasol.
[QUOTE=PickernRoller]Not worried, although I hate D-leaguer scrubs get minutes in LA. This year was just too much to swallow with Barnes, Ebanks, Blake, Sessions, Murphy and Mcbob...[/QUOTE]
Am I the only one that noticed barnes out of his 8 or so attempts in the playoffs, all wide open, did not hit the rim or backboard a single time?
[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]I'm not trying to hate or anything but I do think this line of thinking is funny coming from a Spurs fan.[/QUOTE]
What's so funny about it? We were legit title contenders this year. You guys haven't been the last 2.
[QUOTE=PickernRoller]Not worried, although I hate D-leaguer scrubs get minutes in LA. This year was just too much to swallow with [B]Barnes[/B], Ebanks, Blake, Sessions, Murphy and Mcbob...[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure he ever hit a shot in the playoffs even when he was wide-open, wow lol. We really need some better bench players.
[QUOTE=TMT]What's so funny about it? We were legit title contenders this year. You guys haven't been the last 2.[/QUOTE]
lakers and spurs were legit contenders until they both met the thunder.
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Yea did some research on barnes last season
He had multiple games with a negative game score. I don't know how thats possible but its quite an achievement.
from 3: 5/31 .. 16%
27% FG
15 turnovers, 16 made shots.
[QUOTE=TMT]What's so funny about it? We were legit title contenders this year. You guys haven't been the last 2.[/QUOTE]
Excuse me? We weren't a legit title contender the year after winning 2 titles? How can a team at tempting a 3peat without changing the roster suddenly not even be a contender? We were the 3rd or so best team both years. Granted, thats the most we'll ever be now.
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Lakers are exploring options for a Pau Gasol trade, but nothing is imminent, according to a person familiar with the conversations.
[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]Yea did some research on barnes last season
He had multiple games with a negative game score. I don't know how thats possible but its quite an achievement.
from 3: 5/31 .. 16%
27% FG
15 turnovers, 16 made shots.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but to be fair the Lakers only paid Barnes vet min. I'm sure Steve Blake brought a lot less to the team for a cool 4 mill
[QUOTE=longtime lurker]Yeah but to be fair the Lakers only paid Barnes vet min. I'm sure Steve Blake brought a lot less to the team for a cool 4 mill[/QUOTE]
I like how whoever suggested giving blake a 4 year contract for that money still has a job
Lakers need a bench. They don't have to get a superstar to be a contender.
[QUOTE=RazorBaLade]I like how whoever suggested giving blake a 4 year contract for that money still has a job[/QUOTE]
To think the 3 year MLE is actually helps the Lakers from doing something stupid. Amazing how they can convince Odom to go for a 3 year deal with a team option but throw Ron Artest and Steve Blake 5 and 4 year contracts respectively.
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Lakers need a bench. They don't have to get a superstar to be a contender.[/QUOTE]
You can get a bench only by trading pau or bynum. If its bynum as showtime pointed out, you can get an amazing bench and also give pau who is a 2x champion the option to show he can still do it. Its absolutely essential. I only dream the thing holding them back is constantly waiting on howards decision because they want howard for bynum.
Unless you think murphy kapono mcroberts type signings are going to be what gets us over the hump
I would be going for Steve Nash. That guy is just what we need, plus he wants a ring, and the Lakers are his only chance to get one.
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Lakers need a bench. They don't have to get a superstar to be a contender.[/QUOTE]
No they need a superstar. They have 1 guy that plays like absolute crap in the playoffs and another that has dreams of the playboy mansion when he should be guarding the paint. You can build a bench by SMARTLY using the mini MLE and vet mins, but you this is still a superstar league.