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Dirk or T-Mac
Healthy or not I would take T-Mac over Dirk anyday!!
T-Mac>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dirk
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sorry give me dirk. Tmac cant get out of the first round...dirk atleast took his team to the finals. a 7foot three point shooter is a NIGHTMARE of a matchup. hes a decent passer and he is an unselfish superstar. give me dirk all day any day.
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Great series, games 1-6. I would also take McGrady over Dirk (thats no knock on Dirk).
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[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Great series, games 1-6. I would also take McGrady over Dirk (thats no knock on Dirk).[/QUOTE]
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hmm, a rockets fan and a guy from H-town...no bias there.
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McGrady is a loser and has a bad back. Gimme Dirk.
TMac is more skilled all-around, but if I had a choice, I'd rather build my team around Dirk
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When healthy I'd take Tracy by a hair over Dirk, but if the Rockets were to get Bonzi I'd actually rather have Dirk simply for lineup reasons (Rafer/Bonzi/Shane/Dirk/Yao)...
but why do some of my fellow Rockets fans feel the need to make these kinds of threads? It always turns into a flame war and makes "us" look bad.
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You're a Rockets fan, I guess you would.
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McGrady because he has the ability to take over a game and much better in the clutch.
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i take dirk
consistency and rebounding give him the edge
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Dirk over T-Mac :roll:
T-Mac will always be better than Dirk
Dirk is a scrub compared to him
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this is dirk even when tmac is healthy. Throw in the injury concerns and its not close.
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[QUOTE=Rocketeer]Dirk over T-Mac :roll:
T-Mac will always be better than Dirk
[B]Dirk is a scrub compared to him[/B][/QUOTE]
Is this supposed to be funny?
Anyway this is hard, a healthy T-Mac vs. Dirk, I honestly can't decide. :confusedshrug:
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Id just as soon trade Josh Howard, Devin Harris, and Stackhouse for TMac and have them both.
Im too bias to answer this one, Dirk is a top 5 player and TMac is a top 5 player when healthy.
Ill take both of them.
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macgrady chokes just as much a dirk. he had a 3-1 lead against the pistons. said "its great to finally get out of the first round" then lost 3 straight and was sent home. also choked away a game 7 against the mavs a few years ago.
iam looking at this from a opponent's defensive standpoint...there is no PF that can efficiently guard dirk because his ability to take his man to the perimeter leaves the paint open. macgrady may be the better scorer but thats basically all he does. he doesnt play much defense and he doesnt rebound...dirk was averaging double digit points and rebounds in the playoffs.
its also hard to compare the two because they play two different positions, but if was starting a team i would rather start with dirk because a player of his size and caliber is hard to find.
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Scorer = T-Mac
Passing = T-Mac
Boards = Dirk
Defense = T-Mac
Clutch = T-Mac
Win/Lose = Dirk
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[B][SIZE="7"][FONT="Century Gothic"]GO DIRTY!!![/FONT][/SIZE][/B]
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Drk. It isn't even close. People only look at guys like Kobe Tmac AI and Wade whenb they are "ON"... Dirk is a much much better player than these guys consistently.. an he makes the players around him better consistently because of the mismatches he creates.
Dirk makes the players around him way better than Tmac.. put dirk on the same team with Yao, and they'd have a championship. Even with craptastic Van Gundy coaching..
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T-Mac got 13pts in 33secs vs the Spurs i would love to see Dirk The Choker even come close to that
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i wouldnt even trade josh howard for t-mac. This guy is a chucker and a loser and never shot over 45% and he is now on a decline. he'll never be where he was before.
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[QUOTE=SsKSpurs21]macgrady chokes just as much a dirk. he had a 3-1 lead against the pistons. said "its great to finally get out of the first round" then lost 3 straight and was sent home. also choked away a game 7 against the mavs a few years ago.[/QUOTE]
I'm a Rockets fan. I like Tracy. However, I don't blindly defend him.
That said, I still think it's fair to consider how far Dirk would have gotten in the playoffs if you plugged him into the teams that Tracy has been on. Dirk has had the luxury of regularly being surrounded by a very talented roster, and Tracy generally hasn't at all. You have to take that into consideration if you want to look at it fairly, that's all I'm saying.
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Matchup Nightmares=Dirk
Shooting=Dirk
Slashing=T-Mac
Thought I'd add a few more.
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T-Mac. When healthy, no one can stop him. No one can stop him even when he is hurt. Didn't you see T-Mac torch the Mavs in the '05 playoffs?
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[QUOTE=mhsbasketball]and never shot over 45% and he is now on a decline. he'll never be where he was before.[/QUOTE]
97-98: 45.0%
99-00: 45.1%
00-01: 45.7%
01-02: 45.1%
02-03: 45.7%
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[QUOTE=ClutchCityReturns]I'm a Rockets fan. I like Tracy. However, I don't blindly defend him.
That said, I still think it's fair to consider how far Dirk would have gotten in the playoffs if you plugged him into the teams that Tracy has been on. Dirk has had the luxury of regularly being surrounded by a very talented roster, and Tracy generally hasn't at all. You have to take that into consideration if you want to look at it fairly, that's all I'm saying.[/QUOTE]
Dirk makes the players around him look better.. people don't understand the mismatches dirk creates.. and they also don't understand how versatile Dirk is on defense..
How can Tmac be considered a greta player when the players around him always looks so bad? Great players make the players aorund them look great.. same thing with Kobe and KG.. without Shaq Kobe doesn't make the players around him better.. he makes them worse.
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I would love to see Dirk get even close to this
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Hmmm as good of a player T-Mac is when he's healthy, Dirk is still better. He's 7 foot tall and has great agility and dribbling skill. He hit's the J and get's to the foul line a lot due to his quickness.
T-Mac is a great player, but what does he bring that makes him that much more special than a J-Rich or a Ricky Davis?
I guess I'm saying I like Dirk b/c of his uniqueness, which I believe is more harder to find then an athletic swingman who can score.
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[QUOTE=ALBballer]Hmmm as good of a player T-Mac is when he's healthy, Dirk is still better. He's 7 foot tall and has great agility and dribbling skill. He hit's the J and get's to the foul line a lot due to his quickness.
[B]T-Mac is a great player, but what does he bring that makes him that much more special than a J-Rich or a Ricky Davis?
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I guess I'm saying I like Dirk b/c of his uniqueness, which I believe is more harder to find then an athletic swingman who can score.[/QUOTE]
What a fcuking dolt. I cant believe you just typed that.
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[I]The get F outta here!!!![/I]
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How quickly people forget that TMac singlehandedly SHUTDOWN Dirk two playoffs ago.
It's called DEFENSE, people. Something that is beyond _irk's (he has no D) ability or even perception. Pu$$y, chokin, Nazi, Hasselhoff-loving, motherf*cker.
TMac was a defensive stopper in Toronto and is a First-Team defender when he puts his mind to it. When healthy, he's also the most unstoppable offensive player in the league not named Kobe or AI. Handles and passes better than Dirk on top of everything.
How quickly people forget...
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[QUOTE=ALBballer]Hmmm as good of a player T-Mac is when he's healthy, Dirk is still better. He's 7 foot tall and has great agility and dribbling skill. He hit's the J and get's to the foul line a lot due to his quickness.
[B]T-Mac is a great player, but what does he bring that makes him that much more special than a J-Rich or a Ricky Davis?[/B]
I guess I'm saying I like Dirk b/c of his uniqueness, which I believe is more harder to find then an athletic swingman who can score.[/QUOTE]
:stupid: If your comparing T-Mac to Ricky Davis and J-Rich
Then you are just plain stupid
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Dirk with Yao ming would be an absolute NIGHTMARE to all of those saying what would dirk do if he was on the teams Tmac has been on. I would trade Josh howard and devin harris for Yao sadly the rockets wouldnt. Hell i would trade those 2 and Diop.
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[QUOTE=JSub]What a fcuking dolt. I cant believe you just typed that.[/QUOTE]
He's a ball hog, shoots a low percentage, and seems disinterested.
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Dirk wouldnt need to come back by 13 points in 33sec because we would be winning the game. Dirk creates so many more match up problems then tmac.
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[QUOTE=FabCasablancas]Drk. It isn't even close. People only look at guys like Kobe Tmac AI and Wade whenb they are "ON"... Dirk is a much much better player than these guys consistently.. an he makes the players around him better consistently because of the mismatches he creates.
Dirk makes the players around him way better than Tmac.. put dirk on the same team with Yao, and they'd have a championship. Even with craptastic Van Gundy coaching..[/QUOTE]
Dirk disappears just as often when his team really needs him. The truth is that they're both above average in clutch situations though. Nobody wins EVERY game.
It's pretty hard to argue that Dirk makes people around him much better, since he rarely ever creates off the dribble. Perhaps commanding double teams opens things up for his teammates, but the same could be said about any star in the league, including Tracy. You ever think Dirk just has players around him that are [I]already[/I] good?
You honestly think that if you switched Dirk and Tracy in the Houston/Dallas series that the Rockets would have won it? You really think that?
[QUOTE=Rocketeer]T-Mac got 13pts in 33secs vs the Spurs i would love to see Dirk The Choker even come close to that[/QUOTE]
This argument is almost as weak as it is overdone.
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[QUOTE=raiderfan19]Dirk with Yao ming would be an absolute NIGHTMARE to all of those saying what would dirk do if he was on the teams Tmac has been on. I would trade Josh howard and devin harris for Yao sadly the rockets wouldnt. Hell i would trade those 2 and Diop.[/QUOTE]
I didnt know it was possible to type with your ass until I read your post.
"OOHHH I'm a genius, I would trade JOSH HOWARD and DEVIS HARRIS for YAO!!
I know it was a difficult decision to make, but I figure we'd sell more tickets with Yao on the roster!"
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[QUOTE=Rocketeer]:stupid: If your comparing T-Mac to Ricky Davis and J-Rich
Then you are just plain stupid[/QUOTE]
I'm just saying I don't think the discrepency between T-Mac and J-Rich is as huge as people think. People overate him and has even been passed the 1st round in the playoffs?
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[QUOTE=ALBballer]He's a ball hog, shoots a low percentage, and seems disinterested.[/QUOTE]
Just stop talking. Every word you type just lowers your credibility even more.
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[QUOTE=ALBballer]I'm just saying I don't think the discrepency between T-Mac and J-Rich is as huge as people think. People overate him and has even been passed the 1st round in the playoffs?[/QUOTE]
WOW i never knew someone can be this stupid!!!!!!!!!!
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[QUOTE=ALBballer]I'm just saying I don't think the discrepency between T-Mac and J-Rich is as huge as people think. People overate him and has even been passed the 1st round in the playoffs?[/QUOTE]
Please, shoot me in the head....like...right now. I'm not even going to bother explaining this to you. Clutch shouldnt be wasting his time either.