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I think the Knicks could rip through the East
Maybe the whole league.
I've gone on record by saying on paper, they are the most dynamic roster in the NBA. Now that I've basically seen everybody play except their 2nd and 4th best player (Amare and Iman), I'm ready to declare them the best roster on the court. Now that I've seen in particular what Marcus Camby (most importantly), Pablo Prigioni, Kurt Thomas and Rasheed Wallace even Chris Copeland can give them.
They basically could start any of these guys and fit them in, and the one that's started the most (Kurt Thomas) is easily the worst and probably won't find minutes when they get Sheed and Amare back. But the beauty of it is they basically have a 3 man backup rotation of players that can play backup 4/5 in Sheed/Camby/Kurt Thomas and all 3 are simply insurance policies for each other and the main 3 man big rotation of Chandler/Amare/Carmelo. Same at pg. They have 3 starter quality pgs, 2 of them are old and are basically insurance policies for the other.
They are the best pick and roll team in basketball, that has 3 pgs that excel in the PnR, plus Melo/JR/Shumpert can run the pick and roll very well. Then they have a plethora of bigs, including Melo, who can finish out of it either by rolling or the jumper. Due to this versatility, they run the pick and roll out of no where, and catch teams by surprise. Amare is arguably the best pick and roll finishing big in the history of the game, and he looks to return next week.
They are a very talented defensive team, and can really turn it on to close games. And once they are able to play bigger and get Shump back, I expect it to get even better.
They have an MVP candidate who has carried their role players to one of the best records in the league so far. I'd expect his scoring to drop a bit once Amare steps in, but that's only going to make him better. They rely on Melo too much to keep their offense flowing, in Amare you basically get another Melo who can do the same thing when he's off the court, and for Melo to play off of from the perimeter.
Amare and JR Smith off the bench will be a scary punch off the bench, included with Novak, Prigioni maybe an all time great scoring punch off the bench. I mean clearly Amare should be one of the best players off the bench in league history, and they really need interior scoring when Melo or Chandler are out.
They play hard and have a lot of fight, and really their roster allows them to play any style. And they actually do play a lot of styles offensively. They have an answer for everything that any team in the league has to offer. 2 defensive first perimeter stoppers in Shumpert and R. Brewer, plus Melo, Felton, JR can lock in (I'm looking at the Heat/Thunder/Spurs as I bring that up). They may be the biggest team in the league and all of their bigs (minus Melo) are athletic enough that they can play both 4 and 5, meaning they can play any of them next to each other (I'm looking at Chicago, Memphis, LAC and LAL here).
If people go into the postseason, thinking the Heat (and I don't care how well they're playing) are going to walk through the East. You'd better think again. As long as Carmelo and Chandler in particular are healthy in the postseason, they're going to be a scary force. A team with no weaknesses, Amazing depth at all positions, with great leadership, with the right coach, all having 1 goal.
I just wanted to create, bookmark, and bring back up this thread later so I can say I told you so.
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You're wrong a lot, aren't you?
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i swear i will never read this
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[QUOTE=mrpibb]You're wrong a lot, aren't you?[/QUOTE]
Absolutely not. I'm Y2, nice to meet you
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[QUOTE=Y2Gezee]They are a very talented defensive team, and can really turn it on to close games. And once they are able to play bigger and get Shump back, I expect it to get even better.[/QUOTE]
hes not that guy anymore, he hasnt been that guy for some time now
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Only things that rips is your underwear after talking so much trash. They will never get past heat, the heat are gonna turn on a whole new gear come playoffs
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Didn't read, but I agree with the OP 100%
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lol just losing to the Sacramento Kings and the Knicks fans are so on top of the world.
:lol
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[QUOTE=The Nets]lol just losing to the Sacramento Kings and the Knicks fans are so on top of the world.
:lol[/QUOTE]
I made this thread tonight, just so I can collect these types of remarks for my future bump.
Knicks have the most dynamic team and complete roster this year. When I look around the league and the Clippers, Thunder, and maybe the Lakers are the biggest threats to be able to acknowledge that...I feel great about my prediction.
Glen Grunwald for Executive of the Year is a done deal
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[QUOTE=Marv_Albert]Only things that rips is your underwear after talking so much trash. [B]They will never get past heat, the heat are gonna turn on a whole new gear come playoffs[/B][/QUOTE]
What else have you seen with that crystal ball you got? :lol its hilarious that "heat" fans think the heat are just going to turn it on and the basketball gods will anoint them with magical powers of unstoppable defense/offense. Their team just isn't the same from last year and giving the knicks no shot after they completely DOMINATED them twice is just foolish.
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[QUOTE=Y2Gezee]I made this thread tonight, just so I can collect these types of remarks for my future bump.
Knicks have the most dynamic team and complete roster this year. When I look around the league and the Clippers, Thunder, and maybe the Lakers are the biggest threats to be able to acknowledge that...I feel great about my prediction.
Glen Grunwald for Executive of the Year is a done deal[/QUOTE]
Knicks ceiling is ECF or maybe the finals if they do beat the Heat, they stand absolutely zero chance against whoever comes out of the Western Conference. Knicks winning a title is something only happens in dreams and NBA 2k.
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[QUOTE=jimmy77x]What else have you seen with that crystal ball you got? :lol its hilarious that "heat" fans think the heat are just going to turn it on and the basketball gods will anoint them with magical powers of unstoppable defense/offense. Their team just isn't the same from last year and giving the knicks no shot after they completely DOMINATED them twice is just foolish.[/QUOTE]
The Heat are better than last year, I just think a bunch of teams have passed them. They won last year on talent alone. The lockout killed the season.
They had to go small in order for their offense to improve, and it's hurting them in other places. It worked vs last years Celtics because they're old, and the thunder because they have 0 post threats. The Thunder are a dribble drive team, and rely on jumpshots from that...thats perfect for the Heat to play against.
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Knicks, lol I havent laughed this hard in ages.
:roll:
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[QUOTE=Kiddlovesnets]Knicks, lol I havent laughed this hard in ages.
:roll:[/QUOTE]
your team has no coach, they can't beat the knicks, and your payroll is a black hole
:lebronamazed:
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[QUOTE=kNicKz]your team has no coach and you payroll is a black hole
:lebronamazed:[/QUOTE]
Does it matter? Does not change the fact that your team aint winning a title this year.
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[QUOTE=kNicKz]your team has no coach, they can't beat the knicks, and your payroll is a black hole
:lebronamazed:[/QUOTE]
lol typical Knicks fans, its by far the funniest thing to read on ISH when a Knicks fans talk to other teams 'How many titles your team has won?'. They are acting like their shitty team is the symbol of NBA.
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[QUOTE=kNicKz]your team has no coach, they can't beat the knicks, and your payroll is a black hole
:lebronamazed:[/QUOTE]
Really dont understand how a nets has the audacity to come and talk about the knicks especially with the current situation they are in.
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[QUOTE=The Nets]Knicks ceiling is ECF or maybe the finals if they do beat the Heat, they stand absolutely zero chance against whoever comes out of the Western Conference. Knicks winning a title is something only happens in dreams and NBA 2k.[/QUOTE]
Who in the West is really better than the Heat? No one. The Thunder and Clippers lack post games, but I actually may give the Clippers the title for best in the West based Blake's ability to give them some type of interior game, even if it isn't pretty. I don't think Battier or James could hang with him in the paint a whole game, without trying to front and giving him extra attention.
The Grizzlies aren't coming out the West, and if so, that would be great for the Knicks. Lakers? Nope.
Just read my essay up top...it has everything you need to know about why the Knicks are a matchup nightmare in a playoff series for every team in the NBA.
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[QUOTE=Y2Gezee]Who in the West is really better than the Heat? No one. The Thunder and Clippers lack post games, but I actually may give the Clippers the title for best in the West based Blake's ability to give them some type of interior game, even if it isn't pretty. I don't think Battier or James could hang with him in the paint a whole game, without trying to front and giving him extra attention.
The Grizzlies aren't coming out the West, and if so, that would be great for the Knicks. Lakers? Nope.
Just read my essay up top...it has everything you need to know about why the Knicks are a matchup nightmare in a playoff series for every team in the NBA.[/QUOTE]
Well you have a misconception here. The Knicks aint better than the Heat, no way. They simply have a matchup advantage against the Heat, which may win them the series against the Heat. Against teams like Clippers, OKC and Spurs, they do not have any matchup advantage and yet their squad is weaker. For this reason, nope, they stand no chance against Western Champs.
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I'm curious as to the interior scoring presence for the Knicks.
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[QUOTE=The Nets]Well you have a misconception here. The Knicks aint better than the Heat, no way. They simply have a matchup advantage against the Heat, which may win them the series against the Heat. Against teams like Clippers, OKC and Spurs, they do not have any matchup advantage and yet their squad is weaker. For this reason, nope, they stand no chance against Western Champs.[/QUOTE]
Elaborate:coleman:
Knicks matchup with everyone.
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[QUOTE=mrpibb]I'm curious as to the interior scoring presence for the Knicks.[/QUOTE]
Melo for one. Amare for 2. Chandler for 3. Felton off the screen for 4. Sheed for a stretch or so.
People say the Knicks live and die by the 3. It's really all from the inside out. Whether Melo's post or drives, or the Felton/Chandler pick and roll. That or transition, is where they get their open looks.
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[QUOTE=livinglegend]i swear i will never read this[/QUOTE]
It's a lot more fun typing than reading, eh?
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[QUOTE=The Nets]Well you have a misconception here. [B]The Knicks aint better than the Heat, no way. They simply have a matchup advantage against the Heat, which may win them the series against the Heat[/B]. Against teams like Clippers, OKC and Spurs, they do not have any matchup advantage and yet their squad is weaker. For this reason, nope, they stand no chance against Western Champs.[/QUOTE]
:lol :lol Wouldn't that mean they are better haha, And they havent played okc or the clippers yet for you to claim they dont match up well with them,And they already beat San Antonio.
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[QUOTE=jimmy77x]:lol :lol Wouldn't that mean they are better haha, And they havent played okc or the clippers yet for you to claim they dont match up well with them,And they already beat San Antonio.[/QUOTE]
Well the 06-07 Warriors beat the 67 wins Mavs, are they better than the Mavs? Nope, they just got the matchup advantage against Mavs, and when this advantage was no longer present in 2nd round they got crushed by the Utah Jazz in 5 games.
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Bookmarked and future repped.
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[QUOTE=Y2Gezee]Melo for one. Amare for 2. Chandler for 3. Felton off the screen for 4. Sheed for a stretch or so.
People say the Knicks live and die by the 3. It's really all from the inside out. Whether Melo's post or drives, or the Felton/Chandler pick and roll. That or transition, is where they get their open looks.[/QUOTE]
That's not what I meant at all. Melo is a scorer that will get his points, but I don't have any faith in Amare. Westbrook can get into the paint more easily than Felton, and Chandler and Perkins both only know the post move "Splash."
Honestly, the Thunder have just as much an inside scoring presence as the Knicks in Ibaka. I will not be surprised whatsoever if Bosh goes crazy in a series against the Knicks.
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[QUOTE=The Nets]Well the 06-07 Warriors beat the 67 wins Mavs, are they better than the Mavs? Nope, they just got the matchup advantage against Mavs, and when this advantage was no longer present in 2nd round they got crushed by the Utah Jazz in 5 games.[/QUOTE]
I agree with the match up thing but all im saying is there is no proof that this years heat team is better than the knicks at this time(and the knicks still missing starters)especially after being completely dominated by them on both sides of the floor in their head 2 head games.
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[QUOTE=mrpibb]That's not what I meant at all. Melo is a scorer that will get his points, but I don't have any faith in Amare. Westbrook can get into the paint more easily than Felton, and Chandler and Perkins both only know the post move "Splash."
Honestly, the Thunder have just as much an inside scoring presence as the Knicks in Ibaka. I will not be surprised whatsoever if Bosh goes crazy in a series against the Knicks.[/QUOTE]
I'm not following you here. Perkins and Chandler can't be compared. Period.
Chandler currently is the best pick and roll big man in the league. He's been 3rd for a number of years, behind Amare (the best all time along with Karl Malone), and Dwight Howard. He vertically stretches the floor, and must be accounted for either allowing an easy basket for 3, or getting an easy basket himself.
Melo's not just a scorer, Melo's a post force that must be double teamed in the post. The Thunder absolutely don't have anyone like him in that department. Amare, can be a midpost/low post threat, and is better than Chandler at what he does.
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I'm just saying people. The Knicks are a super team, and I'm just happy to be the first person smart enough to realize it.
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[QUOTE=Y2Gezee]I'm just saying people. The Knicks are a super team, and I'm just happy to be the first person smart enough to realize it.[/QUOTE]
You aren't.
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[QUOTE=Sarcastic]Bookmarked and future repped.[/QUOTE]
Knew I could count on you :cheers:
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Great team. Lets be real though. Miami Plays elite defense in the playoffs. They run a fast pace game when they catch you slipping. They will slow the pace down on defense. Lots of good 3 point shooters. Best player in the world.
As a celtic fan I feel comfortable saying heat are gonna be EC champs. :(
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[QUOTE=jdm_dc_fan]Great team. Lets be real though. Miami Plays elite defense in the playoffs. They run a fast pace game when they catch you slipping. They will slow the pace down on defense. Lots of good 3 point shooters. Best player in the world.
As a celtic fan I feel comfortable saying heat are gonna be EC champs. :([/QUOTE]
The Heat can't turn up their defense enough to shut down the Knicks in a series. They've got too many was to beat you. Plus. The Knicks struggle to defend the 3pt line, especially when they have to defend the paint, and the Knicks make you defend both.
Also, the Knicks play one of the slowest paces in the league, and push it selectively. So slower pacing means nothing.
But aside from the size and the 3pt shooting, the biggest problem the Knicks bring to the Heat is that they are on an all time record pace for not turning the ball over, plus they force turnovers themselves.
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They can only win when they play this style we have seen a lot and do it with Carmelo at the 3. Once the Bargnani trade is over and they can use shumpert at gaurd you're looking at the next dynasty
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:lol
the thunder would literally sweep the Knicks
Durant>>>Melo
Westbrook>>>Felton
Ibaka=Chandler
Martin>>>JR Smith
Sefolosha=Kidd
Collison>>Sheed
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[QUOTE=28renyoy]:lol
the thunder would literally sweep the Knicks
Durant=Melo
Westbrook>>>Felton
Ibaka=Chandler
Martin>JR Smith
Sefolosha=Kidd
Collison>>Sheed[/QUOTE]
FIFY, but what you got for Amare/Shumpert/and Marcus Camby?