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In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
Jordan played 41,010 mins and Kobe has played 41,102 mins, roughly same amount. Despite the fact that they've played about the same amount, Jordan has nearly 4,000 more points, 700 more rebounds, 400 more assists, 800 more steals, and 300 more blocks. Alot of people say that the main reason Kobe doesn't come anywhere near Jordan's stats despite playing just as much is cause of his reduced role coming out of HS and having to defer to Shaq. If thats the case, can someone explain why Kobe has 400 more turnovers then Jordan?
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
Like you said, a lot of those numbers are lower because Kobe came out of high school, and because of Shaq. They're also lower because Jordan was the better player, although I'm going to assume you knew that. :oldlol:
Kobe has and never will be a natural play maker, and that's what, IMO, has caused him to never reach his full potential. He's had moments or stretches of games where he's found a happy medium, but more often than not he's either shot too much, passed too much, or got his feelings hurt and just played passively. Kobe's turnover's are a result of making a surprisingly high number of bad decisions for a player of his caliber, and obviously aren't helped by his finger injuries. Kobe also has never had a Scottie Pippen type of player to run the offense and get other guys involved.
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
This Jordan dude must be good.
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
Ofcourse? Jordan was a much better talent...
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
different era's...and pace.
Look at Oscar's Stats and minutes compared to Jordan....or Wilt's
Jordan in the modern era would be a 42%fg putting up 25 - 30PPG in his prime/modern era.
just think that in the 80's there were over 30 players who scored over 24PPG on 50%FG......
it has only been done 5times in the past 12 years.
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
[QUOTE=LA_Showtime] Kobe also has never had a Scottie Pippen type of player to run the offense and get other guys involved.[/QUOTE]
Irrelevant in this case cause he would have more assists to go along with more turnovers.
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
[QUOTE=rodman91]This Jordan dude must be good.[/QUOTE]
A little bit.
He did suffer from Chronic "Good at basketball" Disease.
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
You feel insecure or something lol?
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
[B]Currently :[/B]
Jordan > JWest > Kobe
[B]
In the future :[/B]
Jordan > JWest > Wade > Kobe
:applause:
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
[QUOTE=StacksOnDeck]You feel insecure or something lol?[/QUOTE]
Nope. Someone just brought it up the other day and I thought it was an interesting observation due to many people's reasoning behind the huge difference in their stats so I thought I'd make a thread about it.
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
[QUOTE=32Dayz][B]Currently :[/B]
Jordan > JWest > Kobe
[B]
In the future :[/B]
Jordan > JWest > Wade > Kobe
:applause:[/QUOTE]
I think Kobe cheated on Vanessa with your mom. That would make sense for why you're always trying to bag on the guy. :facepalm
Anyway, this isn't a surprise. Jordan was clearly the better player, as well as the guy who was given a starting spot immediately after being drafted. Kobe coming off the bench for the first couple seasons of his career didn't help him much.
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
[QUOTE=32Dayz][B]Currently :[/B]
Jordan > JWest > Kobe
[B]
In the future :[/B]
Jordan > JWest > Wade > Kobe
:applause:[/QUOTE]
You probably think Jacque Vaughn is better than Kobe too.
Your opinion is irrelevant.
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
Also, Jordan has never quit on his team in the playoffs and finals unlike Kobe.
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
[QUOTE=swi7ch]Also, Jordan has never quit on his team in the playoffs and finals unlike Kobe.[/QUOTE]
Yes he did....in 87' 89' and 90'
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
[QUOTE=TheFrozenOne]different era's...and pace.
Look at Oscar's Stats and minutes compared to Jordan....or Wilt's
[B][SIZE="6"]Jordan in the modern era would be a 42%fg putting up 25 - 30PPG in his prime/modern era.[/SIZE][/B]
just think that in the 80's there were over 30 players who scored over 24PPG on 50%FG......
it has only been done 5times in the past 12 years.[/QUOTE]
Wow. :facepalm
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
[QUOTE=swi7ch]Also, Jordan has never quit on his team in the playoffs and finals unlike Kobe.[/QUOTE]
Please explain your statement? When, what, where, why....how?
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
[quote=TheFrozenOne]different era's...and pace.
Look at Oscar's Stats and minutes compared to Jordan....or Wilt's
Jordan in the modern era would be a 42%fg putting up 25 - 30PPG in his prime/modern era.
just think that in the 80's there were over 30 players who scored over 24PPG on 50%FG......
it has only been done 5times in the past 12 years.[/quote]
It is actually a much easier/softer era today. Just look at all the rule changes that pu$$ifies the league. Did you see how the late 80s/early 90s Pistons play? Or how about the mid-90s Knicks? Tackling a player mid-air is considered a foul or a warning. Today, it equals suspension.
Jordan would do more damage to today's kids not just because of his basketball skills but his athleticism and physical prowess.
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
[IMG]http://thehoopdoctors.com/online2/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/goat2.jpg[/IMG]
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
[quote=KOBEtherealKing]Please explain your statement? When, what, where, why....how?[/quote]
Off the top of my head, Kobe quit against the PHO series. I believe this is the one where LAL had like a 3-1 lead and then PHO came back to win the series. He quit on them and refused to take any shot in I believe one half of the game.
He also quit during the last game of the series when BOS won the championship. Jordan never quits on his team even when his team is down... especially in the Finals!
There are more but it's hard to type on my phone.
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
[QUOTE=ThatsGame][IMG]http://thehoopdoctors.com/online2/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/goat2.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Owned. :applause:
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
[QUOTE=32Dayz]Owned. :applause:[/QUOTE]
No not really. 90's Doesn't equal the 2000's.
You still spew nonsense. :roll:
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[QUOTE=32Dayz]Owned. :applause:[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://images4.fanpop.com/image/user_images/2173000/AlphaWolf-2173969_446_591.jpg[/IMG]
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
[QUOTE=talkingconch]No not really. 90's Doesn't equal the 2000's.
You still spew nonsense. :roll:[/QUOTE]
Yea... in the 90's you could actually touch guards and play real defense.
Kobe's TS% in the playoffs before hand checking was .515% :roll:
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
[QUOTE=TheFrozenOne][IMG]http://images4.fanpop.com/image/user_images/2173000/AlphaWolf-2173969_446_591.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
:lol
I can't tell who's worse, you, or 32dayz.
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
[QUOTE=guy]Irrelevant in this case cause he would have more assists to go along with more turnovers.[/QUOTE]
No, it's not. Like I said, Kobe's not a natural play maker and he never will be. He would, however, have less turnovers if he wasn't handling the ball as much as he does, and I'd argue he'd be slightly more efficient too.
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
[QUOTE=LA_Showtime]No, it's not. Like I said, Kobe's not a natural play maker and he never will be. He would, however, have less turnovers if he wasn't handling the ball as much as he does, and I'd argue he'd be slightly more efficient too.[/QUOTE]
Right. But when it comes to his stats in comparison to Jordan, with a greater playmaker role not only would he have more turnovers, but he also should have more assists. Thats not the case though. Thats why it really doesn't have much to do with Scottie Pippen, and more to do with the fact that he's just not as great of a passer/playmaker as Jordan.
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
[QUOTE=TheFrozenOne]different era's...and pace.
Look at Oscar's Stats and minutes compared to Jordan....or Wilt's
Jordan in the modern era would be a 42%fg putting up 25 - 30PPG in his prime/modern era.
just think that in the 80's there were over 30 players who scored over 24PPG on 50%FG......
it has only been done 5times in the past 12 years.[/QUOTE]
But at 40 years old way past his prime, he averaged 20pts on .445 fg% and only 4.0 ft attempts.
His TO wasn't the high TO avg that some (Kobe fans) fantasize about either.
A [COLOR="Red"]prime[/COLOR] MJ would obliterate today's era.
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
[QUOTE=swi7ch]Off the top of my head, Kobe quit against the PHO series. I believe this is the one where LAL had like a 3-1 lead and then PHO came back to win the series. He quit on them and refused to take any shot in I believe one half of the game.
He also quit during the last game of the series when BOS won the championship. Jordan never quits on his team even when his team is down... especially in the Finals!
There are more but it's hard to type on my phone.[/QUOTE]
unless the Birmingham Barons need a first string benchwarmer :oldlol:
Jordan mythologists are the most delusion fan base around. No player has quit like Jordan has.
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]unless the Birmingham Barons need a first string benchwarmer :oldlol:
Jordan mythologists are the most delusion fan base around. No player has quit like Jordan has.[/QUOTE]
What? There's a difference between quiting in the offseason and quitting in a game.
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
04 Spurs 94.1
99 Spurs 95.0
04 Pistons 95.4
01 Spurs 98.0
01 76ers 98.9
08 Celtics 98.9
00 Suns 99.0
04 Rockets 99.0
02 Nets 99.5
01 Kings 99.6
04 Twolves 99.7
02 Spurs 99.7
03 Spurs 99.7
[B]93 Knicks 99.7
97 Heat 100.6[/B]
00 Blazers 100.8
02 Kings 101.1
[B]98 Pacers 101.6
[/B]08 Spurs 101.8
01 Blazers 101.8
09 Magic 101.9
00 Kings 102.1
MJ vs 97 Heat
Game 1 15 for 31
Game 2 4 for 15
Game 3 14 for 25
Game 4 9 for 35
Game 5 11 for 31
MJ vs 93 Knicks
Game 1 10 for 27
Game 2 12 for 32
Game 3 3 for 18
Game 4 18 for 30
Game 5 11 for 24
Game 6 8 for 24
Amazing how inefficient Jordan was the couple of times he faced defensive teams on the same level that Kobe faced regularly
:confusedshrug:
The Jordan era is the juiced era of basketball. His numbers are inflated subpar defense being played.
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
[QUOTE=guy]What? There's a difference between quiting in the offseason and quitting in a game.[/QUOTE]
Yeah one is human nature and has happened to every single player in the NBA with a brain and an ability to look at the time remaining in the game and determine if they have any chance of winning the game.
The other is leaving your teammates and fans high and dry so you can play with the ants in the outfield.
The Bulls made the ECF without Jordan. He cost his teammates a title for that nonsense.
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]Yeah one is human nature and has happened to every single player in the NBA with a brain and an ability to look at the time remaining in the game and determine if they have any chance of winning the game.
The other is leaving your teammates and fans high and dry so you can play with the ants in the outfield.
The Bulls made the ECF without Jordan. He cost his teammates a title for that nonsense.[/QUOTE]
Wow this is the dumbest sh*t I've ever heard. The Lakers were down 15 at the end of the first half. They weren't done at that point. Kobe gave up and quit in the middle of a game. Thats completely disrespectful.
On the other hand, every player has a perfectly acceptable right to retire in the offseason if they don't feel like they can play anymore. What do you expect him to do? Play even if he doesn't feel like it anymore just for his teammates and a check?
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]04 Spurs 94.1
99 Spurs 95.0
04 Pistons 95.4
01 Spurs 98.0
01 76ers 98.9
08 Celtics 98.9
00 Suns 99.0
04 Rockets 99.0
02 Nets 99.5
01 Kings 99.6
04 Twolves 99.7
02 Spurs 99.7
03 Spurs 99.7
[B]93 Knicks 99.7
97 Heat 100.6[/B]
00 Blazers 100.8
02 Kings 101.1
[B]98 Pacers 101.6
[/B]08 Spurs 101.8
01 Blazers 101.8
09 Magic 101.9
00 Kings 102.1
MJ vs 97 Heat
Game 1 15 for 31
Game 2 4 for 15
Game 3 14 for 25
Game 4 9 for 35
Game 5 11 for 31
MJ vs 93 Knicks
Game 1 10 for 27
Game 2 12 for 32
Game 3 3 for 18
Game 4 18 for 30
Game 5 11 for 24
Game 6 8 for 24
Amazing how inefficient Jordan was the couple of times he faced defensive teams on the same level that Kobe faced regularly
:confusedshrug:
The Jordan era is the juiced era of basketball. His numbers are inflated subpar defense being played.[/QUOTE]
YOu're forgetting one thing.....
The rules were different.
Prime MJ vs the Pistons and Celtics Kobe faced, would've been a better result than Kobe's performances under today's rules.
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
Ahahaha here comes that defensive rating idiot! :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
I love how that moron posts his defensive ratings after being thoroughly exposed about them in another [URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=250685&page=6"]thread[/URL].
Most of the teams today that you see with a "GREAT" DRtg are so inept offensively it takes them 90% of the shot clock to run their plays (most if it is isolation garbage anyway). Of course you see less possessions.
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
[QUOTE=Asukal]Ahahaha here comes that defensive rating idiot! :roll: :roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
Jordan mythologists love stats until you point how bad statistically the defenses Jordan faced were
:confusedshrug:
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]I love how that moron continues to post defensive ratings after being completely exposed about them in another [URL="http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=250685&page=6"]thread[/URL].
Most of the teams today that you see with a "GREAT" DRtg are so inept offensively it takes them 90% of the shot clock to run their plays (most if it is isolation garbage anyway). Of course you see less possessions.[/QUOTE]
I'm exposed by people who don't even know what it means?
Its not a points per game measure, its points per possession.
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]04 Spurs 94.1
99 Spurs 95.0
04 Pistons 95.4
01 Spurs 98.0
01 76ers 98.9
08 Celtics 98.9
00 Suns 99.0
04 Rockets 99.0
02 Nets 99.5
01 Kings 99.6
04 Twolves 99.7
02 Spurs 99.7
03 Spurs 99.7
[B]93 Knicks 99.7
97 Heat 100.6[/B]
00 Blazers 100.8
02 Kings 101.1
[B]98 Pacers 101.6
[/B]08 Spurs 101.8
01 Blazers 101.8
09 Magic 101.9
00 Kings 102.1
MJ vs 97 Heat
Game 1 15 for 31
Game 2 4 for 15
Game 3 14 for 25
Game 4 9 for 35
Game 5 11 for 31
MJ vs 93 Knicks
Game 1 10 for 27
Game 2 12 for 32
Game 3 3 for 18
Game 4 18 for 30
Game 5 11 for 24
Game 6 8 for 24
Amazing how inefficient Jordan was the couple of times he faced defensive teams on the same level that Kobe faced regularly
:confusedshrug:
The Jordan era is the juiced era of basketball. His numbers are inflated subpar defense being played.[/QUOTE]
And yet, using those SAME DEFENSIVE RATING metrics....the 2003 Wizards would be considered a better defensive team than the 1991 Chicago Bulls, who had 2 of the best defenders of all-time, and a great defensive player in Horace Grant.
The only thing different about the defense of the 2000's and the late 80's, early 90's are the rules(WEAKER in 2000's), 3-point shooting, and GAME PACE....the eFG% of the eras is nearly IDENTICAL, with the 2000's having 2 seasons over 50%eFG.
NOW SIT DOWN SON....:pimp:
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Re: In the same mins, Jordan has more PTs/RBs/ASTs/BLKs/STLs but less TOs then Kobe
[QUOTE=guy]Wow this is the dumbest sh*t I've ever heard. The Lakers were down 15 at the end of the first half. They weren't done at that point. Kobe gave up and quit in the middle of a game. Thats completely disrespectful.
On the other hand, every player has a perfectly acceptable right to retire in the offseason if they don't feel like they can play anymore. What do you expect him to do? Play even if he doesn't feel like it anymore just for his teammates and a check?[/QUOTE]
I don't know I seem to think quitting a season and a half worth of games and costing your teammates a good chance of two titles is greater than quitting 15 mins of a game when a team is going nowhere.
I imagine if Pippen instead of Jordan was the player fooling around with the Barons the mythologists would have a different spin on it.