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longhornfan1234 11-22-2012 11:46 PM

PA College Slashes Instructors' Hours to Avoid Obamacare.
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2165383.html

JtotheIzzo 11-22-2012 11:57 PM

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Someone needs to get fired.

RedBlackAttack 11-23-2012 12:02 AM

Re: PA College Slashes Instructors' Hours to Avoid Obamacare.
 
College professors not getting basic healthcare coverage? :oldlol:

That's a new one. Must be the shittiest college on the planet.

longhornfan1234 11-23-2012 12:18 AM

Re: PA College Slashes Instructors' Hours to Avoid Obamacare.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RedBlackAttack
College professors not getting basic healthcare coverage? :oldlol:

That's a new one. Must be the shittiest college on the planet.

It's a community college. :lol

JtotheIzzo 11-23-2012 09:18 AM

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These petulant little right wing b*tches who are using this election as an excuse for drastic austerity measures need to be rounded up and summarily relieved of their duties. Business is ALL ABOUT dealing with challenges, and this community college f*ck who has been raping taxpayer dollars for years with his sham of higher education is THE LAST PERSON who should ever bite the hand, or even question the hand that feeds his pathetic ass. Community colleges only exist because the US (mainly the government) has done such a good job at finding alternative routes to real higher education (4 year schools). He is basically employed by and works in one of the biggest social welfare programs in the US (allowing people to get college credits on the cheap).

F*cking hypocrite piece of shit loser. Probably spends his days in drag flirting with Jeff Winger.

Jailblazers7 11-23-2012 09:38 AM

Re: PA College Slashes Instructors' Hours to Avoid Obamacare.
 
Damn, like half my HS grad class went to school there. :lol

A part of the story that shouldnt go overlooked:

Quote:

"Several years of cuts or largely flat funding from our government supporters have led to significant cost reductions by CCAC, leaving little room to trim the college’s budget further."

miller-time 11-23-2012 09:49 AM

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this kind of action doesn't make sense to me, wouldn't an employee be put on by necessity? surely "obamacare" won't cut that far into profits that it'd be better to let people go rather than retain them? ultimately this would mean even less profits or output in total than if they kept the employees... mental.

either they are just playing some sort of political card, or they are don't understand the very concept of need driven employment itself. or it could be a ruse, essentially letting unnecessary people go while simultaneously promoting a political agenda.

Blue&Orange 11-23-2012 10:08 AM

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Doesn't the idiot OP get tired of being completely owned? It's amazing how all his threads backfired but he keeps going. :lol

blazerjimmy 11-23-2012 10:10 AM

Re: PA College Slashes Instructors' Hours to Avoid Obamacare.
 
WTF???? So only a 4+ year institution constitutes a "real" education????

bagelred 11-23-2012 10:11 AM

Re: PA College Slashes Instructors' Hours to Avoid Obamacare.
 
Organizations and businesses are using Health Care changes to install their own agenda...."See? It's not us!!!! It's OBAMACARE!!!!"

Pathetic.

Nanners 11-23-2012 12:12 PM

Re: PA College Slashes Instructors' Hours to Avoid Obamacare.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JtotheIzzo
These petulant little right wing b*tches who are using this election as an excuse for drastic austerity measures need to be rounded up and summarily relieved of their duties. Business is ALL ABOUT dealing with challenges, and this community college f*ck who has been raping taxpayer dollars for years with his sham of higher education is THE LAST PERSON who should ever bite the hand, or even question the hand that feeds his pathetic ass. Community colleges only exist because the US (mainly the government) has done such a good job at finding alternative routes to real higher education (4 year schools). He is basically employed by and works in one of the biggest social welfare programs in the US (allowing people to get college credits on the cheap).

F*cking hypocrite piece of shit loser. Probably spends his days in drag flirting with Jeff Winger.



amen brother

Math2 11-23-2012 12:49 PM

Re: PA College Slashes Instructors' Hours to Avoid Obamacare.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JtotheIzzo
These petulant little right wing b*tches who are using this election as an excuse for drastic austerity measures need to be rounded up and summarily relieved of their duties. Business is ALL ABOUT dealing with challenges, and this community college f*ck who has been raping taxpayer dollars for years with his sham of higher education is THE LAST PERSON who should ever bite the hand, or even question the hand that feeds his pathetic ass. Community colleges only exist because the US (mainly the government) has done such a good job at finding alternative routes to real higher education (4 year schools). He is basically employed by and works in one of the biggest social welfare programs in the US (allowing people to get college credits on the cheap).

F*cking hypocrite piece of shit loser. Probably spends his days in drag flirting with Jeff Winger.


And how do you meet challenges? By spending your self into debt?

JMT 11-23-2012 01:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bagelred
Organizations and businesses are using Health Care changes to install their own agenda...."See? It's not us!!!! It's OBAMACARE!!!!"

Pathetic.


This. It's become an excuse for businesses to cut jobs without culpability.

Good businesses understand that it's a lot cheaper to provide benefits for and retain quality employess than it is to search for their replacements. Lousy businesses will continue to blame their failure on others and provide sub-par goods and services.

The market will sort itself out.

Blue&Orange 11-23-2012 02:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Math2
And how do you meet challenges? By spending your self into debt?







:lol

There's no arguing with right wing morons. Same thing in my country, they are the culprits of 3\4 of the debt, but guess what, there's not one day they don't blame the left. :lol

U can spot fascist scum with their fascist propaganda from a mile away.

ihoopallday 11-23-2012 02:38 PM

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Same thing happened to my friend. She's works in home healthcare and her employer cut her hours for this exact same reason. Pretty messed up since she's been working for them over 3 years.

Myth 11-23-2012 02:43 PM

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Hilarious that the OP posts this thinking that it is Obama's fault and not the fault of the greedy assholes that run the school.

Math2 11-23-2012 06:04 PM

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Hehe...Just wait till you see what else is coming to get you even after your employer cuts your hours!

Look forward to:

*3.8% added surtax on investment income for those making 200,000+, ranging from interest to dividends. And that's only if the Bush tax cuts remain. If not, interest income will jump from 15 to 43.8%

* 40% tax on Cadillac Health Care plans, in which the employer pays for most or all of your health care. It can cost almost 28,000 dollars for a family. Otherwise, you're paying 11,000 dollars in taxes for the "free" health care you get from your employers.

*If you don't have health care, you can pay from 700 to 5000

*Companies that make medical equipment costing over $100 have to pay a 2.3% tax on it. Wonder what that does for medical operations?

:cheers: Enjoy!

boozehound 11-23-2012 06:17 PM

Re: PA College Slashes Instructors' Hours to Avoid Obamacare.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RedBlackAttack
College professors not getting basic healthcare coverage? :oldlol:

That's a new one. Must be the shittiest college on the planet.

you must be out of the loop. More and more colleges (including 4 year schools, including some R1 institutions) are using part time instructors for courses. It is not uncommon for someone to teach a 5 and 5 for about 15-30k and no benefits. For comparison, most tenure positions are a 3/3, 4/3 or 4/4. But tenure-track positions are a substantially lower component of the teaching force than even a decade ago. Saw a stat the other day, Ill see if I can find it again.

Nanners 11-23-2012 07:27 PM

Re: PA College Slashes Instructors' Hours to Avoid Obamacare.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Math2
Hehe...Just wait till you see what else is coming to get you even after your employer cuts your hours!

Look forward to:

*3.8% added surtax on investment income for those making 200,000+, ranging from interest to dividends. And that's only if the Bush tax cuts remain. If not, interest income will jump from 15 to 43.8%


yeah, im sure the vast majority of americans are really worried about raising taxes on investment income for those making more than 200k

bmulls 11-23-2012 08:01 PM

Re: PA College Slashes Instructors' Hours to Avoid Obamacare.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JMT
This. It's become an excuse for businesses to cut jobs without culpability.

Good businesses understand that it's a lot cheaper to provide benefits for and retain quality employess than it is to search for their replacements. Lousy businesses will continue to blame their failure on others and provide sub-par goods and services.

The market will sort itself out.


You should call up this college and enroll in Econ 101 because you obviously don't understand shit.

Businesses exist to make money. They don't hire people out of the goodness of their heart. If you increase a business' cost, they are going to have to reduce output. They either have to lay people off or reduce hours. This is simple economics, not evil republican propaganda.

longhornfan1234 11-23-2012 08:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue&Orange
Doesn't the idiot OP get tired of being completely owned? It's amazing how all his threads backfired but he keeps going. :lol

How am I getting owned?

kNicKz 11-23-2012 08:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue&Orange






that chart is from blogspot...

legit

kNicKz 11-23-2012 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue&Orange






addictinginfo.org

legit

JMT 11-23-2012 08:25 PM

Re: PA College Slashes Instructors' Hours to Avoid Obamacare.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bmulls
You should call up this college and enroll in Econ 101 because you obviously don't understand shit.

Businesses exist to make money. They don't hire people out of the goodness of their heart. If you increase a business' cost, they are going to have to reduce output. They either have to lay people off or reduce hours. This is simple economics, not evil republican propaganda.



I've been part of businesses, both successful and unsuccessful... eventually becoming a profitable small business owner... over the course of the last 30 years. How about you?

Your reading comprehension is sorely lacking if you think anything I said resembles hiring "people out of the goodness of their heart".

What I said, and what has been proven over time, is that good, successful, profitable businesses know that it costs far less time and money to retain good employees than it does to try to find their replacements. Good employees equal good products and services. You obtain and retain high end employees by offering benefits, quality work environments and opportunity for advancement/income they won't find at your competitor.

There will always be unskilled positions that will have high turnover, but that won't be driven by health care costs. It never has been, and those jobs have existed for hundreds of years.

If you believe the only way to offset rising costs, which have been a part of doing business for as long as business has been done, is to cut jobs/hours, then you ought to check out those Econ classes you mentioned.

kNicKz 11-23-2012 08:25 PM

Re: PA College Slashes Instructors' Hours to Avoid Obamacare.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JMT
This. It's become an excuse for businesses to cut jobs without culpability.

Good businesses understand that it's a lot cheaper to provide benefits for and retain quality employess than it is to search for their replacements. Lousy businesses will continue to blame their failure on others and provide sub-par goods and services.

The market will sort itself out.


...

KevinNYC 11-23-2012 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kNicKz
that chart is from blogspot...

legit


The chart is legit. There hasn't been a spending explosion under Obama.

More info here.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-has-lowest-s/

Math2 11-24-2012 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Nanners
yeah, im sure the vast majority of americans are really worried about raising taxes on investment income for those making more than 200k


Maybe not....But I guess everyone else has to look forward to rising health care costs!

JMT 11-24-2012 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Math2
Maybe not....But I guess everyone else has to look forward to rising health care costs!


And what would make you think that health care costs were not going to rise if left as is?
Perhaps the fact that they've gone up, consistently and astronomically, for the last half a century?

Math2 11-24-2012 10:28 AM

Re: PA College Slashes Instructors' Hours to Avoid Obamacare.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JMT
And what would make you think that health care costs were not going to rise if left as is?
Perhaps the fact that they've gone up, consistently and astronomically, for the last half a century?


It doesn't matter how big or small health care costs have been rising, they're going to rise much faster now.

ShaqAttack3234 11-24-2012 05:03 PM

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Are people really trying to delude themselves into thinking Obama has been a good president? Some of the selective arguments I've seen crack me up. Bottom line is, unemployment is still at 7.9%, higher than it was when he became president almost 4 years ago. This is a guy who greatly underestimated the problem, threw out quick fixes, many of which failed, and did not give the economy the attention it needed, instead focusing on his "legacy", Obamacare, which, by the way, is going to make things worse.

JMT 11-24-2012 06:18 PM

Re: PA College Slashes Instructors' Hours to Avoid Obamacare.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ShaqAttack3234
Are people really trying to delude themselves into thinking Obama has been a good president? Some of the selective arguments I've seen crack me up. Bottom line is, unemployment is still at 7.9%, higher than it was when he became president almost 4 years ago. This is a guy who greatly underestimated the problem, threw out quick fixes, many of which failed, and did not give the economy the attention it needed, instead focusing on his "legacy", Obamacare, which, by the way, is going to make things worse.


Unemployment, which had been rising steadily since May 2008, was at 7.8 the day Obama took office. It peaked at 9.8 in November 2010, and has dropped steadily since, sitting at 7.9 today.

By the time he completes his first term, the likelihood is that unemployment will be lower than when he took office, something his predecessor cannot claim.

Yours seems to be one of those selective arguments that amuse you so.

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

JMT 11-24-2012 06:23 PM

Re: PA College Slashes Instructors' Hours to Avoid Obamacare.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Math2
It doesn't matter how big or small health care costs have been rising, they're going to rise much faster now.


Wanna bet? My bet is you're just echoing talking points without really understanding how health care costs have risen way faster than the rate of inflation, all while the percentage paid by individual Americans has dropped to all-time lows.

* In 1942, the price for a maternity room at Christ Hospital in Jersey City, NJ was $7.00 per day.[3] Adjusting for inflation, this amounts to $97.29 in 2011 dollars.[4] In 2011, the price for a maternity room at the same hospital was $1,360 per day.[5]

* In 1980, the average price for a typical hospital room in the U.S. was $127 per day.[6] Adjusting for inflation, this amounts to $349 in 2011 dollars.[7]

* In 1988, Mutual of Omaha insurance company paid an average of $270 per day for all types of hospital rooms (such as medical/surgical, intensive care, maternity, etc.). Adjusting for inflation, this amounts to $518 in 2011 dollars.[8] [9] [10]

* In 2002, Mutual of Omaha paid an average of $748 per day for all types of hospital rooms. Adjusting for inflation, this amounts to $943 in 2011 dollars.[11] [12]

* A 2011 survey of eleven hospitals in Ohio (where state law requires hospitals to publish their prices) found that the daily price of a typical hospital room ranged from $688 to $2,425, with the average being $1,393 and the median $1,322.[13]

* Between 1960 and 2009, the portion of U.S. healthcare expenses paid:

• directly by consumers decreased from 48% to 12%.

• by government increased from 24% to 48%.

• by private insurance increased from 21% to 32%.[14]

http://www.justfacts.com/healthcare.asp

ShaqAttack3234 11-24-2012 06:23 PM

Re: PA College Slashes Instructors' Hours to Avoid Obamacare.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JMT
Unemployment, which had been rising steadily since May 2008, was at 7.8 the day Obama took office. It peaked at 9.8 in November 2010, and has dropped steadily since, sitting at 7.9 today.

By the time he completes his first term, the likelihood is that unemployment will be lower than when he took office, something his predecessor cannot claim.

Yours seems to be one of those selective arguments that amuse you so.

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000


Uh, no, you didn't refute what I said. Your post itself confirms my fact from before that it has not gotten better since he took office, and is in fact, worse.

JMT 11-24-2012 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ShaqAttack3234
Uh, no, you didn't refute what I said. Your post itself confirms my fact from before that it has not gotten better since he took office, and is in fact, worse.


Ah yes, .1% which is within the margin of error and, by the time his first term actually ends, will likely be lower. Again, something his predecessor cannot claim.

Unemployment under the former president rose from 4.2% in January 2001 to 7.8% when he left office. Looks like, in comparison, this administration has done pretty well.

Listen, I don't think Obama has done anything extraordinary. His policies have had a mixed bag of results, as do most president's. But the unemployment argument is a weak one. During a time that his opponents harken back to as one of great prosperity, those same numbers nearly doubled.

ShaqAttack3234 11-24-2012 07:18 PM

Re: PA College Slashes Instructors' Hours to Avoid Obamacare.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JMT
Ah yes, .1% which is within the margin of error and, by the time his first term actually ends, will likely be lower. Again, something his predecessor cannot claim.

Unemployment under the former president rose from 4.2% in January 2001 to 7.8% when he left office. Looks like, in comparison, this administration has done pretty well.

Listen, I don't think Obama has done anything extraordinary. His policies have had a mixed bag of results, as do most president's. But the unemployment argument is a weak one. During a time that his opponents harken back to as one of great prosperity, those same numbers nearly doubled.


First of all, me thinking Obama has been poor doesn't mean I think Bush was good either. But Bush through 2 terms is not a fair comparison to Obama through 1 either. It's not a Democrat vs Republican thing for me. I think Clinton was much, much better than Obama.

Math2 11-24-2012 07:24 PM

Re: PA College Slashes Instructors' Hours to Avoid Obamacare.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JMT
Wanna bet? My bet is you're just echoing talking points without really understanding how health care costs have risen way faster than the rate of inflation, all while the percentage paid by individual Americans has dropped to all-time lows.

* In 1942, the price for a maternity room at Christ Hospital in Jersey City, NJ was $7.00 per day.[3] Adjusting for inflation, this amounts to $97.29 in 2011 dollars.[4] In 2011, the price for a maternity room at the same hospital was $1,360 per day.[5]

* In 1980, the average price for a typical hospital room in the U.S. was $127 per day.[6] Adjusting for inflation, this amounts to $349 in 2011 dollars.[7]

* In 1988, Mutual of Omaha insurance company paid an average of $270 per day for all types of hospital rooms (such as medical/surgical, intensive care, maternity, etc.). Adjusting for inflation, this amounts to $518 in 2011 dollars.[8] [9] [10]

* In 2002, Mutual of Omaha paid an average of $748 per day for all types of hospital rooms. Adjusting for inflation, this amounts to $943 in 2011 dollars.[11] [12]

* A 2011 survey of eleven hospitals in Ohio (where state law requires hospitals to publish their prices) found that the daily price of a typical hospital room ranged from $688 to $2,425, with the average being $1,393 and the median $1,322.[13]

* Between 1960 and 2009, the portion of U.S. healthcare expenses paid:

directly by consumers decreased from 48% to 12%.

by government increased from 24% to 48%.

by private insurance increased from 21% to 32%.[14]

http://www.justfacts.com/healthcare.asp


You critisie me for "echoing talking points" while you copy and paste crap without reading it.

First off, you completely misunderstood my point. I said that even though health care costs have been rising, they will rise much, much faster now that Obamacare is law. What you posted had nothing to do with my post....

Yet inside of your post (and all the info inside you didn't read), you'll find why health care costs have been rising. Government spending.

Math2 11-24-2012 07:25 PM

Re: PA College Slashes Instructors' Hours to Avoid Obamacare.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ShaqAttack3234
First of all, me thinking Obama has been poor doesn't mean I think Bush was good either. But Bush through 2 terms is not a fair comparison to Obama through 1 either. It's not a Democrat vs Republican thing for me. I think Clinton was much, much better than Obama.


I must say though, Obama thoroughly kicks Clinton's ass at his ability to lie.

Nanners 11-24-2012 07:28 PM

Re: PA College Slashes Instructors' Hours to Avoid Obamacare.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ShaqAttack3234
First of all, me thinking Obama has been poor doesn't mean I think Bush was good either. But Bush through 2 terms is not a fair comparison to Obama through 1 either. It's not a Democrat vs Republican thing for me. I think Clinton was much, much better than Obama.



yeah clinton was great. :rolleyes:

lets look at some of his accomplishments: massively deregulated the banks, passed nafta to ship what little is left of our manufacturing overseas, gutted welfare, passed defense of marriage act.... but none of that matters because the economy was good back then!

i am no fan of obama, but i'll take him over clinton. the fact that people hold up clinton like he is the golden knight of democrats makes me sick.

longhornfan1234 11-24-2012 07:33 PM

Re: PA College Slashes Instructors' Hours to Avoid Obamacare.
 
Obama is the second worst president of all-time.

1. Carter
2a. Obama
2b. LBJ

LBJ and Obama are neck-to-neck. It's pretty hard to decide.

Math2 11-24-2012 07:35 PM

Re: PA College Slashes Instructors' Hours to Avoid Obamacare.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by longhornfan1234
Obama is the second worst president of all-time.

1. Carter
2a. Obama
2b. LBJ

LBJ and Obama are neck-to-neck. It's pretty hard to decide.


I'd go with Obama over LBJ....I might put JFK as 4th


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