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It's basically a war where both sides have decided collateral damage involving civilians dying is ok. It's also a war breaking out in the middle east where goals and sides are not that clearly defined. So we will have lots of people dying in order to....what?
:facepalm
The civilians could vote to have people lead them who aren't blood thirsty terrorists hellbent on Israeli destruction. No doubt that would help improve their situation.
dumsby's back :facepalm
Israel warned them about electing Hamas to be a part of their government and you knew this would ultimately happen. thing is the only way Hamas can fight Israel is hiding behind Palestinian innocents. Can't blame Israel for retaliating when their getting rockets launched into their territory....
[QUOTE=niko]It's basically a war where both sides have decided collateral damage involving civilians dying is ok. It's also a war breaking out in the middle east where goals and sides are not that clearly defined. So we will have lots of people dying in order to....what?
:facepalm[/QUOTE]
There is no reasoning with Islamic extremists. They want to kill Israelis simply because they are Israelis. I'm afraid this shit won't stop either.
The worst of it is that Palestinian and Israeli citizens will continue to bear the brunt of the losses in this conflict. Such a waste when two sides will never reason with each other, especially over matters of religion.
[QUOTE=Derka]The worst of it is that Palestinian and Israeli citizens will continue to bear the brunt of the losses in this conflict. Such a waste when two sides will never reason with each other, especially over matters of religion.[/QUOTE]
Israel wants to reason. Israel gives back land it conquers in Palestine as part of a counter-attack just to be nice. Israel wants peace negotiations. The civilians in israel want peace. The Palestinean people are bringing all this upon themselves purposefully.
All they had to do was not nominate Hamas, all they had to do was not democratically decide to not give a terrorist organization complete control of the state. The Palestinean civilians aren't completely innocent here, they pretty much chose their fate.
[QUOTE=millwad]Israel needs to stop acting like they want peace, so they want peace but still they allow settlements in Palestine and in territory that doesn't belong to them. Palestine has been occupied by Israel for decades, people like Nick-Young only use [B]Hamas as an excuse..[/B]
It doesn't matter who the palestinians will pick, stop fooling yourself. Prior to Hamas then, the Israeli occupation was still a fact then and it's not only due Hamas..[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :facepalm
People like you need to stop trying to sweep under the rug and ignore the fact that the "noble freedom fighting" state of Palestine is literally run by a terrorist organization that the people elected in to power democratically.
I'm talking about Israel giving land back in the past. Learn your history. Israel gets attacked. Israel counterattacks and advances on Cairo. Israel feels merciful and gives all the land back to Egypt and Palestine.
Educate yourself, sport.
[QUOTE=millwad]Listen, I am not supporting Hamas, but you're acting like the situation in Palestine is all due Hamas and the Israeli government is this peaceful and loving government and that they've never harmed anyone at all.
Hamas got elected in 2006, so you want to stick with this being a 6 year old issue and that Israel didn't occupy land that didn't belong to them prior to that? This conflict is decades old and so is the occupation by Israel.
And if anyone should get some education it's you, your garbage is just embarrassing and it's just silly how you try to label Israel as something they're not and that you think it's all about a 6 year old election when the problem is decades old and so is the illegal occupation.[/QUOTE]
Israel left the Gaza Strip and the West Bank in 2005.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel's_unilateral_disengagement_plan
You and people like you who continue to act like these Palestinian "freedom fighters" are only trying to defend their land from big bad Israel make me sick.
They elected Hamas, a terrorist organization, to govern them. In the past week they've launched hundreds of rockets at Israel and killed civilians including kids. And then when Israel responds you act like they are to blame?
Get real.
Netanyahu quote:
"The truth is that if Israel were to put down its arms there would be no more Israel. If the Arabs were to put down their arms there would be no more war."
This is the bottom line. These Muslims don't want peace with Israel, they want Israel nuked off the map. There is no reasoning with these people.
[QUOTE=millwad][B]Listen, I am not supporting Hamas, but you're acting like the situation in Palestine is all due Hamas and the Israeli government is this peaceful and loving government and that they've never harmed anyone at all. [/B]
Hamas got elected in 2006, so you want to stick with this being a 6 year old issue and that Israel didn't occupy land that didn't belong to them prior to that? This conflict is decades old and so is the occupation by Israel.
And if anyone should get some education it's you, your garbage is just embarrassing and it's just silly how you try to label Israel as something they're not and that you think it's all about a 6 year old election when the problem is decades old and so is the illegal occupation.[/QUOTE]
No I'm not. I never said that. You are just putting words into my mouth like you always do and making shit up.
Everytime there is peace or the conflict stops for a certain amount of time, Palestine does something violent against civilians to start it up again. It has been that way since the birth of modern Israel. Israel has never done anything as horrible and depraved as Black September in Munich. Israel doesn't send rockets aimed at Israeli schools and markets into Palestine every single day of the year like Palestine does to Israel.
Educate yourself sport. Look at the history of wars against modern Israel. Look at who fires the first shot, who makes the first attack, every single time. Look at reality.
Every single day Palestinean terrorists launch rockets aimed at Israeli civilians, often times they kill Israeli citizens but it just isn't publicized around the world. Israel launches a successful military attack against a Hamas terrorist leader, some civilians die in the process and suddenly Israel is an evil military civilian murdering evil bad bully fascist state of doom.
European press is biased against Israel, and it's creating a generation of European bozos like Millwad who don't know anything about the history of Israel and Palestine, who romanticize Palestine as a tragic ragged Rebel Alliance fighting against the Galactic Israeli empire.
Hamas is a terrorist organization that needs to be thwarted. When Osama Bin Laden was killed it was met with applause and joy, but when the IDF takes out Hamas main guy they are looked at as aggressors.
Keep in mind that 12,000 rockets were launched at civilian towns from Gaza since Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip a few years ago. There have been about 1000 this year, and over 130 in the last 3 days.
[QUOTE=SCdac]Hamas is a terrorist organization that needs to be thwarted. When Osama Bin Laden was killed it was met with applause and joy, but when the IDF takes out Hamas main guy they are looked at as aggressors.
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Keep in mind that 12,000 rockets were launched at civilian towns from Gaza since Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip a few years ago. There have been about 1000 this year, and over 130 in the last 3 days.[/B][/QUOTE]
Exactly. Clowns like Millwad just keep brushing this shit under the rug, pretending it never happened, or worse, try to justify it:facepalm
[QUOTE=millwad]Oh, "clowns like Millwad" but still you don't seem to realize how the number of hurt or killed israelis and palestinians look like.
All the attacks from Palestine the whole year of 2012 resulted in less deaths than palestinians who died in the attacks which Dunksby posted.about.
And you clown, I don't try to justify shit, go and kill yourself you sucker.[/QUOTE]
Every post you have made in this thread has been you trying to justify Palestinian terrorism.
[QUOTE=millwad]
Read what you're writing, first you justified the horrible living situation for palestinians in Palestine due Hamas being elected but Hamas got elected in 2006 and this has been an on-going occupation for decades.[/QUOTE]
You don't know anything about history. You are just blindly parroting what the European press says while refusing to look at history.
If you did, you would know that in the 90s, after the PLO finally agreed to a peace treaty with Israel, things were going pretty good for Palestine. In the Camp David summit, Ehud Barak offered Palestine 92% of the west bank, the whole gaza strip, and half of Jerusalem to be the Palestinean capitol. All this in exchange for one thing-PEACE.
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PALESTINE REJECTED THIS AND STARTED FIRING ROCKETS AND SENDING SUICIDE BOMBERS AT ISRAELI CIVILIANS SHORTLY AFTER.[/B]
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
There is no reason to feel sympathy for people who are purposefully sabotaging their own standard of living and happiness in order to gain international sympathy.
[QUOTE=millwad]
All the attacks from Palestine the whole year of 2012 resulted in less deaths than palestinians who died in the attacks which Dunksby posted.about.
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Then maybe they should realize they're getting their asses kicked and stop poking Israel with a stick knowing full well Israel will respond with a much larger stick.
[QUOTE=millwad]Oh, "clowns like Millwad" but still you don't seem to realize how the number of hurt or killed israelis and palestinians look like.
[B]All the attacks from Palestine the whole year of 2012 resulted in less deaths than palestinians who died in the attacks which Dunksby posted.about.[/B]
And you clown, I don't try to justify shit, go and kill yourself you sucker.[/QUOTE]
Which is what Hamas wants. They provoke Israel and fire from schools and civilian rich areas to maximize civilian deaths. They cry foul and gain international sympathy, Israel gets pressured by other nations and they concede. Hamas starts up again, rinse and repeat. They are doing what they can to achieve their goals and its working.
[QUOTE]Angry Palestinians lash out at Islamic militants[/QUOTE]
[url]http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1298&dat=20030519&id=ifAyAAAAIBAJ&sjid=mwgGAAAAIBAJ&pg=6694,5907777[/url]
I love that even though Israel have killed millions and millions of Palestinians while only a fraction of that have been Israeli's died from Palestinian attacks Palestinians still get called terrorist while Israel are the good guys.
RESPONSE FROM MOD: This is an absurd, false statement: "even though Israel have killed millions and millions of Palestinians"
[QUOTE=Nash]I love that even though Israel have killed millions and millions of Palestinians while only a fraction of that have been Israeli's died from Palestinian attacks Palestinians still get called terrorist while Israel are the good guys.[/QUOTE]
"Millions and millions" of Palestineans? When has this ever happened?
[QUOTE=Nash][B]I love that even though Israel have killed millions and millions of Palestinians[/B] while only a fraction of that have been Israeli's died from Palestinian attacks Palestinians still get called terrorist while Israel are the good guys.[/QUOTE]
Wow, good job making up bullshit and talking about something you know absolutely nothing about. The population of Palestine is only 4 million, and yet Israel has been killing "millions and millions of Palestinians" over the years:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Shit like this is why Palestinians are called terrorists-they slaughter 11 Israeli athletes in the summer olympics and somehow they are "noble freedom fighters"
could someone (w/o being a smartass) give me the cliffnotes of what is going on? i don't want to google.
gaza is right next to israel but why are they fighting? is it full of palestinians or what?
who are the hamas?
I thought Hamas was a food made from chic-peas eaten in the middle-east?
Why do you love Palestine so much, and dislike Israel so much that you make up bullshit to defend Palestinian acts of terrorism?:lol
[QUOTE=millwad]Because you're full of nonsense and I don't dislike Israel, I don't dislike it's people and I don't dislike their beliefs or their civilans. I dislike theirabuse towards the palestinians, the israeli government that is, and you're trying to justify occupation and abuse.
And i don't love Palestine, would you say that you dislike Palestine and love Israel just because you're on the other side of the argument? Stop being stupid, [B]standing up for what is right [/B]is not equal with loving or hating.[/QUOTE]
Standing up for state-sanctioned terrorism is what's right nowadays?
[QUOTE=Nick Young]Standing up for state-sanctioned terrorism is what's right now?[/QUOTE]
It's terrorism, but where is it coming from? Reports say the assassination of the chief also killed 9 people, including a 7 year old girl.
What would you do if that was your daughter / sister / niece?
[QUOTE=n00bie]It's terrorism, but where is it coming from? Reports say the assassination of the chief also killed 9 people, including a 7 year old girl.
What would you do if that was your daughter / sister / niece?[/QUOTE]
If it was my daughter/sister/niece then I wouldn't have tried to use them as a human shield in the first place
[QUOTE=bmulls]If it was my daughter/sister/niece then I wouldn't have tried to use them as a human shield in the first place[/QUOTE]
Who said she was a human shield? They fired a missile at a moving car in the middle of the street to assassinate that guy.
[QUOTE=n00bie]Who said she was a human shield? They fired a missile at a moving car in the middle of the street to assassinate that guy.[/QUOTE]
obviously the blame lies on whoever took the first shot, that caused the retaliation, that killed innocents. they're not going to allow them to fire rockets into their territory without retaliation, so what is the logical conclusion a reasonable person would reach from that? to stop firing the initial rockets, right?
[QUOTE=n00bie]It's terrorism, but where is it coming from? Reports say the assassination of the chief also killed 9 people, including a 7 year old girl.
What would you do if that was your daughter / sister / niece?[/QUOTE]
Why is a terrorist leader who knows the Israeli army wants to assassinate him, hanging out in civilian areas where children are? Why are these civilians hanging out with a known terrorist leader and murderer?
[QUOTE=millwad]I consider Israel occupying land that doesn't belong to them and abusing palestinians a way of terror as well. Don't be a hypocrite and don't try to misinform people like your "Camp David" nonsense and with your nonsense about how Israel just wants peace.. while occupying land that doesn't belong to them..[/QUOTE]
America is illegally occupying lands that belong to the native Americans! GET THEM OUT! TERRORISM. White South Africans are illegally occupying land that doesn't belong to them! Send them back to Holland where they belong! The United Kingdom is built on Pict lands, the whole UK should be left empty in respect to the race that the English murdered and stole their land!
[QUOTE=Nick Young]Why is a terrorist leader who knows the Israeli army wants to assassinate him, hanging out in civilian areas where children are? Why are these civilians hanging out with a known terrorist leader and murderer?[/QUOTE]
Are you telling me Obama never leaves the White House?
[QUOTE=Godzuki]obviously the blame lies on whoever took the first shot, that caused the retaliation, that killed innocents. they're not going to allow them to fire rockets into their territory without retaliation, so what is the logical conclusion a reasonable person would reach from that? to stop firing the initial rockets, right?[/QUOTE]
In a perfect world, the rockets would stop.. but we both know that ain't going to happen. There will never be peace in the middle east. (Until 1 side is totally eliminated)
[QUOTE=n00bie]In a perfect world, the rockets would stop.. but we both know that ain't going to happen. There will never be peace in the middle east. (Until 1 side is totally eliminated)[/QUOTE]
yeah the situation is pretty hopeless
[QUOTE=n00bie]Who said she was a human shield? They fired a missile at a moving car in the middle of the street to assassinate that guy.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, even if the IDF knew they were going to kill a little girl and fired the missiles anyway I can't blame them. They can't sit back and let Hamas fire rockets at them (and their civilians) without retaliating. They can't value the lives of their enemy's civilians over the lives of their own civilians.
[QUOTE=millwad]That is the biggest load of crap ever, that you'd even make a comparison of something that happened hundreds of years ago to the occupation of Palestine only shows that you lack a lot in intelligence.
Another worthless try of you to justify the occupation, your lack of intelligence is so obvious. It's funny, you don't have any more answers after getting exposed with your propaganda nonsense about how Israel only wants peace and therefor you start to troll.. Big surprise..[/QUOTE]
The only difference is time dumbass. One happened 200 years ago. One happened 60 years ago. The only difference is time. Why is that such a difficult concept for you to grasp? People get taken over by other people. It's been happening throughout human history. Deal with it.
I'm personally still disgusted at Sweden's illegal occupation of Sami lands. It is shameful the way the illegal occupying state of Sweden treats the noble Sami people.
[QUOTE=n00bie]In a perfect world, the rockets would stop.. but we both know that ain't going to happen. [B]There will never be peace in the middle east. (Until 1 side is totally eliminated)[/B][/QUOTE]
Sadly this is true, I know the mentality of the region and neither side will be satisfied with some simple compromise. At this point the hatred and self-righteousness is too deep on both sides especially among the older folk
[QUOTE=millwad]Yes, and that is exactly why you're nothing but a stupid and ignorant fool because a rational person wouldn't write that nonsense.
We live in a modern era and I like how you use time when it fits your agenda, when it fits your agenda you refer to history between Palestine and Israel but when it doesn't you write incredibly stupid garbage like that. So if the arab countries occupy land that belongs to Israel NOW, will you in a couple of decades buy it if someone refers to the fact that the UK is built on the Picts land and therefor it's OK that the arabs stole great parts of Israel? Obviously no, grow up and use your brain, you're so incredibly stupid and ignorant..[/QUOTE]
When it fits my agenda? No, I look at history and time always. Looking at history makes it easy to see patterns and correlations. Bozos like you are moaning about this now, but in 50-100 years people will just accept that Israel isn't going away. The new generation of Palestineans will grow up, be sick of the shit that their parents have forced upon them, be sick of being used as human shields by psychotic terrorists from Saudi, Yemen, Syria and Lebanon, and do what they can to make peace with Israel and things will get better.
By the way, Palestine shares a massive border with Egypt. Why aren't their muslim brothers helping out the Palestinians and sending them aid? The answer is because the Arab world wants Palestine to live in squalor, because it helps them gain sympathy from idiot euros like you.
IMHO threads like this should not be on ISH.
This is a basketball forum.
I don't come here to talk politics, and it's rather annoying. :hammerhead:
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/15/world/meast/gaza-israel-strike/index.html?hpt=hp_c1[/url]
The violence is escalating, over 300 more rockets fired today.
[QUOTE=bmulls][url]http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/15/world/meast/gaza-israel-strike/index.html?hpt=hp_c1[/url]
The violence is escalating, over 300 more rockets fired today.[/QUOTE]
it's breaking news everywhere, shit popping off there with both sides firing rockets