I have read Parker's ceiling is prime grant hill. I have read Wiggins floor is prime TMAC so what is his ceiling if he completely maximizes his talent?
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I have read Parker's ceiling is prime grant hill. I have read Wiggins floor is prime TMAC so what is his ceiling if he completely maximizes his talent?
I don't like it when people try to define a limit for a player who's under 20....
His [B]floor[/B] is prime T-Mac? :roll:
[QUOTE=Ca$H]I have read Parker's ceiling is prime grant hill. I have read Wiggins floor is prime TMAC so what is his ceiling if he completely maximizes his talent?[/QUOTE]
Your characterization of Wiggins' floor is ridiculous.
If Wiggins' floor is Prime TMac, then there wouldn't be a question as to who goes first.
If Wiggins guarantees you a prime TMac, then even high school LeBron has no case over him.
Wiggins' ceiling is in Wiggins himself. People far too often try to say this player has this "great's" potential. Just let the kid player basketball and turn out.
Too early to tell man. Wait until he plays in the league before make predictions.
Honestly, he could become the best ever. Or he could become a huge bust. He'll end up somewhere in between, but it'll be closer to the best ever than a bust, I'd assume.
lenny cooke
31/7/5 career.
4x MVP, 2x DPOY.
Loyal to his hometown.
somewhere between lebron and durant probably
I like Wiggins. He seems intelligent to me.
Based on my intuitive understanding of who will be good in the NBA, I say he will be a superstar.
LeBron, Durant, CP3 tier.
We'll bump this thread in 5 years and laugh at the naysayers. (If there are any)
[QUOTE=Ca$H]I have read Parker's ceiling is prime grant hill. I have read Wiggins floor is prime TMAC so what is his ceiling if he completely maximizes his talent?[/QUOTE]
The Parker / Grant Hill comparison is lazy. Hill was a MEGA athlete in college, Parker is just a damned good basketball player, really good, but we won't know how good until we see him in the NBA. If all goes well he could be an 8 or 10 time all star, if all goes not so well, he will be in the Danny Granger stratosphere. I think he is too good to do much worse than that. I don't see a Wesley Johnson type situation with him (duh!!!).
I really liked his first half today against Kansas, he was in front of his hometown and he stepped up. I did find his second half a bit troubling as he didn't contribute as much and couldn't turn his team around.
Wiggins / TMac comparison is also lazy but pretty apt to be honest. I do however see Wiggins as a potentially frightening pro. He is still growing into his body and still a bit awkward. Once he muscles up and smooths out, he might be at a level we rarely see.
His ability to score inside and out, on the break and off the dribble is something to be in awe of, but what impressed me most was how much his mere presence on the court affected Duke's entire defense. If Wiggins played more, this game might have been less interesting. Also, his ability to be the first one at the rim to rebound his miss is something you rarely see.
College ball is going to be awesome this year, the NCAA should suck the NBA's nuts nightly for creating the mandatory one year rule.
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The body types are eerily similar.
I don't see a Tmac.
He's great in transition without the ball and great with one step moves.
He's got freakish athletiscm but i have not seen his BBALL IQ yet.
I honestly feel Wiggins will be a better Demar Derozan. Very good player.
I see Scottie Pippen.
I'm going to see him play up close in bout 2 weeks(barring injury).
As the way it shapes up in the east , that 3 spot is sewed up with a log jam so he won't be starting unless he converts to a 2 which I don't see him doing.same prob in the west with Kd and as long as kobe shooting for that Alcindor record . So he will be a reserve for quit a while on those all star teams . .he can become a solid 21-6-3 guy year in and year out. He can really maximize his potential if he can get on a squad with a true vet pro to take under his wing, he's not the type to throw rite in the fire and expect to turn a lottery team into a top 4 seed rookie year . He don't be top 10 best ever , but he won't be olawakandi or oden either .
Ceiling - Tmac
Most Likely - Paul George
Floor - Kawhi Leonard
The NBA is moving in a direction that favors Wiggins minus one thing, the three point shot, where he needs to put in work. Everything else: faster, leaner, slashing, transition, defense etc. are right in Wiggins's wheel house.
I like the fact he isn't killing it at Kansas right now, LeBron broke the mold for the young cats and it is no longer about MJ and AI and 'getting yours', its about team.
Kansas WILL win the national championship this year and it will be on the back of Wiggins, because as we have seen twice already this year on a big stage (the late come back and domination of Duke and the seemingly only guy on the floor when they lost to that team around XMas who played great D on everyone except Wiggins) when the shit gets in lock down mode, he rises to the top.
Big Game Andrew. Perhaps he is the next James Worthy.
Coast to coast!
Yeah buddy!
I dont think there's any KDs or LeBrons in this Draft, apart from Embiid IF he hits his potential. I think the rest could be in the tier below that. The CP3/PG/Curry/Aldridge tier. Maybe Wiggins could be a bit better than them, but I think he'll probably be a better Paul George in the NBA.
[QUOTE=waseem780]Ceiling - Tmac
Most Likely - Paul George
Floor - Kawhi Leonard[/QUOTE]
Yeah this is a lot better than that "Floor is Prime Tmac" BS. I can see this but downgrade "most likely" from PG to Rudy Gay.
Kid had 19 boards last night.
That is impressive, I would like to see him go on a rebounding tear, give the people something to think about.
just watched him play up close, he had a very very quiet 27 points, mixed in mid range jumpers and outside shots.the only thing in him i see he doesn't have a high motor and is too nonchalant on defense.he seems to be coasting, maybe cause bill self wants him to play in the system and the kansas team has other options to where he doesn't have the green light at will.
Great article about the top prospects when they play against great teams.
[url]http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/92728/wiggins-excels-against-top-competition[/url]
great case for Wiggins here.
Wiggins looks more like Gerald Green and his 9.5 fingers
[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]Great article about the top prospects when they play against [B]great[/B] teams.
[url]http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/92728/wiggins-excels-against-top-competition[/url]
great case for Wiggins here.[/QUOTE]
tbf, any article about the top freshman prospects that doesn't include Embiid isn't worth reading.
guy has an agenda. That is why he didn't include the Villanova(the highest ranked team that Kansas has played) game, there is no other rational explanation.
Wiggins still has a case for number 1, but these arent the guys in the argument. Its either Embiid or Wiggins.
seems like wiggins may have fallen behind embiid, parker, and smart at this point. are all four locks to be nba ready?
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[QUOTE=Al Thorton]seems like wiggins may have fallen behind embiid, parker, and smart at this point. are all four locks to be nba ready?[/QUOTE]
I don't think so, its classic ESPN build you up so we can tear you down nonsense.
Wiggins has done big things this season, and he is doing all this without his game being fully refined (all the reasons people love Embiid).
NBA wise Wiggins is already a top five athlete in the league and a lock down defender at multiple positions who can find ways to score. once fully refined he will be deadly.
LeBron had no post game and a shaky jumper in the beginning, T-Mac was really raw, etc.
We all forget that Wiggins COULD STILL be in high school this year if he didn't reclassify...this kid is nowhere near where he will be.
[QUOTE=JtotheIzzo]I don't think so, its classic ESPN build you up so we can tear you down nonsense.
Wiggins has done big things this season, and he is doing all this without his game being fully refined (all the reasons people love Embiid).
NBA wise Wiggins is already a top five athlete in the league and a lock down defender at multiple positions who can find ways to score. once fully refined he will be deadly.
LeBron had no post game and a shaky jumper in the beginning, T-Mac was really raw, etc.
We all forget that Wiggins COULD STILL be in high school this year if he didn't reclassify...this kid is nowhere near where he will be.[/QUOTE]
I agree with most of this except the part about staying in high school. Athletes in high school hold themselves back to gain advantages. Wiggins has been a big time prospect since he was 13 and is going to turn 19 in less than a month. The fact that he could have been a 20 year old freshman isn't really a big deal either way.
[QUOTE=IGOTGAME]I agree with most of this except the part about staying in high school. Athletes in high school hold themselves back to gain advantages. Wiggins has been a big time prospect since he was 13 and is going to turn 19 in less than a month. The fact that he could have been a 20 year old freshman isn't really a big deal either way.[/QUOTE]
True...just adding perspective.
Another big game for Wiggins tonight, he is really coming on strong as of late.
Wiggins is stepping up! The race for #1 is gonna be great. Embiid vs Wiggins!
I could see BOTH of these guys being top 5 players in the NBA.
Wiggins moves surprisingly well off ball. Usually these prospects are guys that need the ball in his hands to score all the time, but he cuts well and finds opening really well at a young age. I don't know who I can compare this too, but I'm impressed with it.
who ever compared wiggins to green doesnt know shit about basketball. Green and wiggins maybe both athletic but they dont play alike green dominates the ball and bricks shots or passes to an opponent when he was a rookie all green knew was dunking.
Wiggins is good in moving without the ball .. He cuts exceptionally well like he isnt 6'8 .. it may look easy but not to many players can do it.
His shooting has improved because his form is solid he just need to be more confident and that has happened.
He has all these little things that make you wonder think his potential is greater than his play.
First, he's playing completely within the system it seems. At times becoming a jumpshooter, an off ball player, or just moving it around and not looking for his shot. Even with all that, he's still able to get his numbers, and once in a while show you a play that you'd expect from a pro. These last few games it looks like even as a jumpshooter, he's able to score quite a bit.
He does seem to look passive a lot though, which means that he can
a) be a lot better in the future when he puts in an effort
b) continue this way because it's just the personality of his game and not the fact that the college game isn't his goal.
He does seem very unselfish though and good at getting his numbers in the flow of the game. There is some to be desired though with his finishing ability. For a guy who has all the tools to get to the basket and finish, he's not so good around the basket.
[QUOTE=Budadiiii]I like Wiggins. He seems intelligent to me.
Based on my intuitive understanding of who will be good in the NBA, I say he will be a superstar.
LeBron, Durant, CP3 tier.
We'll bump this thread in 5 years and laugh at the naysayers. (If there are any)[/QUOTE]
5 years later :lol :roll: :oldlol:
[QUOTE=k0kakw0rld]5 years later :lol :roll: :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Oh shit....
Rest in piss lil wheels :lol
[QUOTE=k0kakw0rld]5 years later :lol :roll: :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
All 3 of those guys have amazing teammates around them. CP3 cant lead a team by himself, nor can Durant. Lets see what happens to Wiggins when he leaves the worst run franchise in NBA history
Wow I don't think anyone thought his ceiling would be this low when he came into the league.
[QUOTE=the mesiah]I'm going to see him play up close in bout 2 weeks(barring injury).
As the way it shapes up in the east , that 3 spot is sewed up with a log jam so he won't be starting unless he converts to a 2 which I don't see him doing.same prob in the west with Kd and as long as kobe shooting for that Alcindor record . So he will be a reserve for quit a while on those all star teams . .he can become a solid 21-6-3 guy year in and year out. He can really maximize his potential if he can get on a squad with a true vet pro to take under his wing, he's not the type to throw rite in the fire and expect to turn a lottery team into a top 4 seed rookie year . He don't be top 10 best ever , but he won't be olawakandi or oden either .[/QUOTE]
Pretty good analysis from this guy, he