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crazy movie right there.
So he might not of been crazy?
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crazy movie right there.
So he might not of been crazy?
[QUOTE=ShannonElements]
You should edit the thread title, as it is a pretty big spoiler for those who haven't seen it yet.[/QUOTE]
The trailer is a spoiler.... everybody saw it coming...
I don't think he was crazy... Serious Conspiracy was really happening to him.
More importantly.
Was Ferris Bueller's Day Off all in Cameron's head?
Too late. The thread title didn't change... :(
Change the thread title douche
F[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]ck. You ruined it for me. What's next, you're going to tell everybody that Snape killed Dumbledore?
He was definitely crazy, the ending in the movie was slightly different then that of the book.[B] In the book he doesn't say "Is it better to live as a monster or die as a good man?"[/B]. So I'm guessing that that is what is throwing people off, I guess deliberately by the makers. But the book is always right.
How someone watched the movie and came to the conclusion it was really a conspiracy is beyond me. Do you see only what you want to?
[QUOTE=niko]How someone watched the movie and came to the conclusion it was really a conspiracy is beyond me. Do you see only what you want to?[/QUOTE]
It's beyond on you?
Leo himself thought it was a conspiracy against him.
The woman in the cave is the key.... did you not listen to what that b*tch had to say?
He was crazy. But then he recovered.
Last scene he pretends to be insane again because he does not want to live with the guilt hence the
"Tell me something, what would you prefer?. To live as a murderer or to die as a good man?"
[QUOTE=Doomsday Dallas]It's beyond on you?
Leo himself thought it was a conspiracy against him.
The woman in the cave is the key.... did you not listen to what that b*tch had to say?[/QUOTE]
100% and they practically wrote on the bottom of the screen IT IS NOT A CONSPIRACY HE IS CRAZY.
[QUOTE=niko]100% and they practically wrote on the bottom of the screen IT IS NOT A CONSPIRACY HE IS CRAZY.[/QUOTE]
Just remember that there were NAZI's working on that Island.
[QUOTE=Andrei89]He was crazy. But then he recovered.
Last scene he pretends to be insane again because he does not want to live with the guilt hence the
"Tell me something, what would you prefer?. To live as a murderer or to die as a good man?"[/QUOTE]
100% WRONG. He does not pretend to be insane. And like I said before, they added that last line in the movie, it was not in the book. The story is the book.
[QUOTE=enayes]100% WRONG. He does not pretend to be insane. And like I said before, they added that last line in the movie, it was not in the book. The story is the book.[/QUOTE]
Well that line leads us to believe that he was in fact pretending at the end so he wouldn't have to live with the guilt. So if that line was movie-exclusive then you can't really say the story is the book, because they made a few distinctions.
[QUOTE=macmac]Well that line leads us to believe that he was in fact pretending at the end so he wouldn't have to live with the guilt. So if that line was movie-exclusive then you can't really say the story is the book, because they made a few distinctions.[/QUOTE]
That's what I thought happened in the end.
Initially I beleive he was in denial and had a supressed memory but was rehabed.
[QUOTE=macmac]Well that line leads us to believe that he was in fact pretending at the end so he wouldn't have to live with the guilt. So if that line was movie-exclusive then you can't really say the story is the book, because they made a few distinctions.[/QUOTE]
The book is how the story was meant to be told. The ending to the movie cheapened part of that. He was crazy.
[quote=Knicks101]F[COLOR=black]u[/COLOR]ck. You ruined it for me. What's next, you're going to tell everybody that Snape killed Dumbledore?[/quote]
He told me Vader was Luke's father. Bastard.
[QUOTE=Knicks101]F[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]ck. You ruined it for me. What's next, you're going to tell everybody that Snape killed Dumbledore?[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Now I have no reason to watch this movie :ohwell:
Godamn Dooms, this is almost as bad as the Sixth Sense thread.
Dooms isn't the sharpest spoon in the shed.
[QUOTE=Rizko]Agreed. Now I have no reason to watch this movie :ohwell:[/QUOTE]
Actually this is the kind of movie you have to see a few times. Just to see the subtle things the actors do, and try and find giveaways. Like The 6th sense, when you try to figure out if there was any parts it was obvious Bruce Willis is really dead.
thanks for ruining the movie douchewad
[QUOTE=pete's montreux]Dooms isn't the sharpest spoon in the shed.[/QUOTE]
Honestly.... I thought the trailer made it obvious.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4bznTvfP6k&feature=channel[/url]
C'mon... should be obvious to any dumb@ss here in the OTC.
ass hole
[QUOTE=Doomsday Dallas]Honestly.... I thought the trailer made it obvious.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4bznTvfP6k&feature=channel[/url]
C'mon... should be obvious to any dumb@ss here in the OTC.[/QUOTE]
I never watched the trailer. And the commercials never implied that he was insane. It's whatever though I'll still probably watch it eventually.
:oldlol:
No.
This thread should be deleted or, at the very least, modified. What the hell, Dooms? That's a real d!ckhead move.
anyone notice the striking similarity to the plot line and ultimate twist of Nolan's masterpiece "Memento"?
By the way, I still think the ending can be taken in many ways. He could be faking it, he could be suicidal, he could have relapsed. I just can't rule out the possibility of a conspiracy. The doctors had the resources, including the knowledge of the human psyche - the real "Shutter Island" - and how truth is only what is percieved to be true. So those saying "100% wrong" and "he was obviously crazy" should chill on those remarks unless they are commenting on their own book
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]This thread should be deleted or, at the very least, modified. What the hell, Dooms? That's a real d!ckhead move.[/QUOTE]
Okay God Dammit... I f*cked up.
I still think judging by the trailer it should of been obvious to anybody.
[img]http://blog.timesunion.com/movies/files/2010/02/shutter_island01.jpg[/img]
When you see something like that in the trailer.... I think a few of your brain cells should click together and maybe you would ask yourself... "Oh it looks like the character Leo plays could be crazy?"
[QUOTE=ShannonElements]Like I said, Scorsese, Lehane, and the actors in the Bluray special features admit that he was batshit insane. WTF more do you people need?[/QUOTE]
Nope... I don't care what they said.
I think Scorsese is secretly getting the last laugh on the audience because he knows damn well the movie can be seen from the "conspiracy" point of view... which is why the movie is a masterpiece.
Besides that... there are certain things about the film that don't make sense if there wasn't a conspiracy.
Why did Dr. Crawly say the line: "Why are you all wet baby?"
[quote]18. Notice when Teddy walks into the lighthouse Dr. Cawley says "why are you all wet Baby". This I believe is another trigger, the trigger that pushes Teddy over the edge. Notice this is the exact line Teddy says to his wife in his final vision - the vision where he believes he sees his wife has killed his three kids. [/quote]
It just doesn't make sense why the doctor would say that.
This movie has been out for how long now? Stop complaining about damn spoilers. If someone REALLY wanted to see this movie and REALLY cared about knowing what happened they would've seen it already, at the very least asked somone about it that probably gave some stuff away. And yes the trailer did make it obvious about what happens with Leo in the movie.
As for the conspiracy, I think it's totally possible. Leo's last line I think was meant to give the whole situation some ambiguity to leave the audience arguing about what the possibilities could have been. Alas, that is what we are doing now.
[QUOTE=ShannonElements]Ummm...the DVD came out less than a week ago. And obviously some people here who haven't seen it yet were annoyed, so yeah. It's not that hard to give people a spoiler warning, or NOT POST SPOILERS IN THE ****ING THREAD TITLE. That's a spoiler people can't avoid. It's just inconsiderate.[/QUOTE]
The spoiler in the thread title is legit to complain about, but Dooms already said he screwed up. I just think the complaining is taking away from what can be a legitimate debate as to what happened with the movie. I always see people getting pissed at others who don't read through the thread and bring up points that have already been brought up, this is the same case. I got a little annoyed, but then again everyone else did. Whatevs.
Going through that thread Dooms posted on IMDB has me going back and forth towards whether he is sane or not. From the book and what the filmmakers said it appears that Leo is indeed insane but its equally intriguing looking at the other perspective.
[QUOTE=ShannonElements]:oldlol: So now you think the filmmakers are in on it too?
Don't forget, Andrew had been there for [i]two years[/i]. And before being there, it's assumed that he was in other institutions(since SI was the "last stop" for patients other facilities couldn't deal with). The doctor knew everything about his story. Why did he say it? As a trigger. For the truth. That point is actually pretty accurate and doesn't lend itself to being some sort of grand conspiracy.
I can't take that list seriously anyway. That guy is twisting things. Such as the first "fact", about the cigarettes beginning the drugging process. That isn't a fact, that's wild speculation.
You still haven't explained the anagrams. Think about it. If he's sane, that means before the supposed "drugging process" he already knew about Andrew Laeddis. The guy who burned his apartment down just so happened to have a name that was an anagram to his. Then, he's searching for a missing patient, who just so happens to have a name which is an anagram for his wife's name. The Rule of Four.
C'mon. Obviously we aren't going to get anywhere, because as everyone here knows, you have a genetic predisposition towards wild conspiracy theories.[/QUOTE]
Here is the deal... I've done a little bit of research on the subject of Nazi's coming to America right after WWII... specifically scientists.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip[/url]
So I think the movie does have an underlying message of how the NAZI's weren't completely defeated... they actually did some "legal immigration" as that Nazi doctor suggested.
Also... it's no mystery that there were many mind control experiments taking place in the 1950's that were government / CIA sponsored.
[url]http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article-1G1-141002353/mind-control-experimentation-travesty.html[/url]
That's a decent article^
[quote]16. When Teddy meets the female doctor in the cave, the doctor indicates how the hospital can use a person's past traumas against them. I think this is key to understanding what happened. Teddy had THREE traumas and fears, and the conspirators manipulated these traumas and fears, and using drugs, pushed Teddy to believe in something that wasn't true.
17. Notice how the nazi doctor says to Teddy, "wounds can create monsters". I think the doctor is alluding to the fact that "traumas" can be exploiting to make anyone crazy. [/quote]
from the forum I posted in the OP^
I can probably explain the anagrams but I forget the exact point in the movie where Leo mentions Andrew Laeddis's name. I will admit that's the only flaw in the "conspiracy" theory... But everything else beyond that makes sense to me.
again from the OP:
[quote]14. Notice that when the guard and Chuck go to bring the attacked patient to the infirmary, the guard says to Teddy, "no, not you, not you". This prompts Teddy to go looking for Laeddis. Then notice the lights go out and Teddy is forced to use matches (Laeddis's favorite thing) to go look for Laeddis. Notice there are also voices saying "Laeddis", "Laeddis". I think all of this is an elaborate setup used to "suggest" memories to Teddy and start making him think that his obsession with Laeddis is itself crazy. I believe the soft voices saying "Laeddis" are in fact real, and from the conspirators. [/quote]
[QUOTE=ShannonElements]According to the Bluray special features, in interviews with Scorsese, Lehane, and the actors, he was indeed insane. So we can put this stupid debate to rest.[/QUOTE]
I don't know man, I watched those special features. Which one said that? I didn't watch all of them, but I watched the one that pointed out why the guards were mugging him when he first got to the island, and how it was a give away when his partner took forever to unholster his weapon.
[QUOTE=Doomsday Dallas]Here is the deal... I've done a little bit of research [/QUOTE]
awwww shit.
Add me to the list of people who think your thread title is dicky. I did dislike that they billed it as a "surprise ending" because you're automatically trying to process clues instead of just watching the story unfold.
Doomsday, i know conspiracy theories give you a hard on, but this movie's plot did not contain one. You are rewriting the movie to a movie you wanted to see. the actual movie plot did not mean to indicate a conspiracy, and if they did to you, you either misinterpeted or the movie just did a bad job of explaining. Sorry, you are wrong. Sometimes in life people are wrong. Here, you are wrong. PERIOD.
The fact the movie banged you over the head for like 10 minutes at the end to the detriment of the movie explaining this at the end makes it funny for me. You watched that and thought CONSPIRACY! they praticially hit you with a hammer as if the audience were morons so you wouldnt think this.
and dont come back with AHA - thats what they... NO. They meant he was nuts. That's it.
[QUOTE=Doomsday Dallas]Okay God Dammit... I f*cked up.
I still think judging by the trailer it should of been obvious to anybody.
When you see something like that in the trailer.... I think a few of your brain cells should click together and maybe you would ask yourself... "Oh it looks like the character Leo plays could be crazy?"[/QUOTE]
It was the whole damn twist of the movie. Yes, when I saw the trailer, I thought that maybe that was going to be the plot. I also guessed that he was the 67th inmate almost immediately when watching.
However, there is a big difference between assuming that a plot twist is going to take a certain turn, guessing what that turn will be, and having someone who has seen the movie tell you what happens.
Although I was pretty certain that the movie was going to head in that direction, I didn't [I]know [/I]until I actually saw it happen, because movies have surprised me before.
Bottom line: It isn't cool to spoil movies for those who haven't seen them and I would venture to say that a large portion of ISH hasn't seen Shutter Island since it just came out on video. If I hadn't seen the movie already and I glanced at your thread title, I would have been a lot more angry.
Not trying to dump on you... You should just be a little more considerate.
**** you mother****er.
dooms about to get lynched Mississippi style
[QUOTE=niko]Doomsday, i know conspiracy theories give you a hard on, but this movie's plot did not contain one. You are rewriting the movie to a movie you wanted to see. the actual movie plot did not mean to indicate a conspiracy, and if they did to you, you either misinterpeted or the movie just did a bad job of explaining. Sorry, you are wrong. Sometimes in life people are wrong. Here, you are wrong. PERIOD.
The fact the movie banged you over the head for like 10 minutes at the end to the detriment of the movie explaining this at the end makes it funny for me. You watched that and thought CONSPIRACY! they praticially hit you with a hammer as if the audience were morons so you wouldnt think this.
and dont come back with AHA - thats what they... NO. They meant he was nuts. That's it.[/QUOTE]
Well I've looked around on the internet a little bit and I see that there are others that think the movie can be interpreted the same way.
Really what it comes down to is if that woman in the cave was real because she basically explained the conspiracy theory to the audience...
Now basically the movie does come down to weather or not Leo's visions of his (possible delusional) conspiracy theory is real or not... that's just a fact, and I'll be honest that towards the end of movie it seems like Leo really was crazy, but there are plenty of situations in the movie that suggest that he wasn't.... they just made him that way for two reasons:
1.) It was part of mind control experiment... they were doing groundbreaking tests on Leo.
2.) Leo was getting close to exposing the corruption and they had to stop him.
[url]http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100228124417AAOaZB1[/url]
I still don't understand why they would let the most dangerous person on the island role play to those lengths... they are just gonna let him walk around the island even when he has been there for 2 years?
and why did the doctor say: "Why are you wet Baby?"