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dd24 03-23-2017 01:21 PM

Pistons 2017 Off Season Moves
 
Since there isn't all that much to look forward to this season and there's starting to be some rumors going around about this summer already I figured I would start a new thread.

I've been reading a lot lately that the Nets are very interested in KCP. Everyone says they're going to offer a max deal to him. I guess the decent thing about him being restricted is we will get the chance to see if this is true or not and it's not just a random bidding war. It also kinda shows the state of SG's in the NBA. There's just not a lot of great ones right now. He'd definitely put up better numbers in New Jersey since his usage rate would likely go way up. I just wonder if the Pistons are going to match.

Detroit has put themselves in a really bad spot in the draft again. If they were going to not match on KCP there isn't much out there to fill his shoes in the draft where they are at. Maybe Luke Kennard would be around. At least he's a very good 3 point shooter which is something the Pistons have needed for a while. Outside of that there's probably going to be a lot of big guys around at that point. Maybe TJ Leaf or Harry Giles falls. They could look at Bam Adebayo. Some mocks have us taking SG Donovan Mitchell out of Louisville. I really don't think this draft is as deep as some are saying. I like the top guys and outside of that it's a gamble. I would take that gamble on Giles. He'd be right there in the lottery if it wasn't for injuries. He's young and may get past it though. The thing with taking a big is we just drafted Ellenson at about the same area last year.... Unless they trade Harris, Morris, or Leurer I can't see any PT opening up next season. I don't see them trading Morris or Leurer. Both are on cap friendly contracts.

Aussie Dunker 03-29-2017 06:14 AM

Re: Pistons 2017 Off Season Moves
 
Perhaps we should have taken Booker last year, instead of Stanley, as he would be a decent replacement if we let KCP walk ........ *sigh

dd24 03-29-2017 09:02 AM

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I think a lot of teams would have taken Booker over their picks.... but yeah he's definitely the better player. Although Detroit would have just sat him and never developed him so it's tough to say how good he would have ended up.

dd24 04-07-2017 01:54 PM

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I wonder if it's almost a better idea to let a team like the Nets have KCP for the max and then we make an offer for a guy like Tim Hardaway Jr. He's been amazing since about January. He can hit the outside shot and get 15-20 ppg. He's shown that he can grab a few rebounds and pass when asked to. I feel like he's a kind of under the radar guy. He's restricted, but I would imagine we could make an offer that Atlanta wouldn't match and save some money on KCP in the deal. Obviously KCP is the better defender. If he takes a max offer from NJ he'll basically be saying he never wants to win though. Not that Detroit is headed in the right direction, but they're still better off than the Nets.

dd24 04-08-2017 03:15 PM

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After last night who is ready to trade Dre and make Boban the starter? :lol :D

dd24 04-17-2017 02:37 PM

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Apparently Detroit is going to match any offer for KCP.
http://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articl...1_127_23731459

dd24 04-20-2017 03:20 PM

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The top FA's under 25


And that's why KCP is getting paid. I did mention Hardaway Jr. too. I like his game (offensively).

Aussie Dunker 04-24-2017 07:50 PM

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I think we need to keep KCP - I believe he is a top 5 SG in this league and is just about to enter the best 5 years of his career. Defense and stretching the floor are the two things he can be elite at, which are the most valuable commodities in today's league...

dd24 04-24-2017 10:23 PM

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I think at this point I'd much rather have KCP than Reggie if we had to make a choice of who to keep because of their contracts. Before the season I wouldn't have said that. KCP is slowly coming along. It takes SG's so long to develop most of the time. Once he's in his prime he has a chance to be very good. Hopefully he keeps working after he gets paid. That's the one thing that scares me. Some of these guys take a step back after their contract year.

Nastradamus 05-10-2017 12:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aussie Dunker
Perhaps we should have taken Booker last year, instead of Stanley, as he would be a decent replacement if we let KCP walk ........ *sigh


Letting KCP walk is out of the question regardless, lets be clear on that.

That said, I sure as hell wish we landed Booker or Turner.

Nastradamus 05-10-2017 01:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dd24
I think a lot of teams would have taken Booker over their picks.... but yeah he's definitely the better player. Although Detroit would have just sat him and never developed him so it's tough to say how good he would have ended up.


No, just no

dd24 05-10-2017 03:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nastradamus
No, just no

You can't argue that we have done a terrible job developing young talent.

dd24 06-15-2017 02:43 AM

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More Drummond trade rumors....

http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2017/6...de-speculation

If the Celtics wanted to give up the 1st pick for him I'd do it. Grab Fultz, then draft a center with the 12 pick. Let Stanley and Ellenson play next year along with those two. Move Reggie for another pick in a following year. Blow up this mediocrity. Keep KCP. That would finally be the young core I'd be excited about. I'm not sure who else we'd need to take back from the Celtics cap wise to make it work. I have to imagine the two sides have discussed it. I'm sure there's a super low chance of it happening anyway around it.

Aussie Dunker 06-16-2017 11:50 PM

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There is no way they would give up the #1 for him, absolutely no way. It would be a different package, if it were to happen

dd24 06-17-2017 02:16 AM

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Looks like they are trying to trade that #1 pick for a bunch more picks. Then I could see them telling the Pistons they could have the 76ers pick for 12 and Drummond...

dd24 06-19-2017 02:33 PM

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Our biggest move is going to be when the Pacers move Paul George. Then we won't have to face him in this division anymore lol.

Aussie Dunker 06-20-2017 01:14 AM

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So apparently Lakers looking to shop Russell for a top 12 pick....

#12 for Russell? What are your thoughts?... He is still 21 years old and hasn't had the best induction into the NBA, playing a part of Kobe's farewell year and then for a very poor / young team this year.

I do not necessarily like him, but it is hard to argue against his offensive skill and potential. Just 2 years ago people were comparing him to Curry coming out of college. He will never be Curry - but he can get a lotttttt better.

dd24 06-20-2017 01:55 AM

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I can't see why the Lakers would move him for just that. He's better than anyone we could draft at 12 more than likely. I'd definitely do it.

Aussie Dunker 06-20-2017 03:17 AM

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I don't think they see a good fit with him and Ball, and they are keen on Collins and Kennard, one and maybe both will be available at #12. Maybe they see a better long term fit with one of those guys, Ball, and then Paul George. Who knows, but they are looking for a top 12 pick for Russell...

Z.Collins / Zubac
Randle / Nance
George
Ingram
Ball / Clarkson

dd24 06-20-2017 10:07 AM

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I think Russell and Ball are a good fit together actually. If they were going to move him it would make much more sense to do it for Paul George.

dd24 06-20-2017 03:26 PM

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If Lowry is really going to leave Toronto since they don't want to give him a 5 year deal Detroit should look into a sign and trade. Move Reggie over there so they still have a PG. Throw in what you need to make it work in the cap. Instant upgrade. Unfortunately I'm sure he wouldn't want to sign in Detroit.

Aussie Dunker 06-20-2017 07:16 PM

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This would go against everything that you have been previously saying. Lowry is a good to great PG in this league, somewhere in the 2nd tier, perhaps ranked somewhere between 7 and 10th best PG. However is on the wrong side of the age spectrum, and good chance his last 3 years will be better than his next 3 years. This is an upgrade I 100% agree, but not a move that will shift us forwards from meritocracy... (correct me if I am wrong mate?)

I however would love to see Lowry on our team and would test out how much they would want in return. I think Lowry and KCP would be an amazing back court, and Dre would work well off him

dd24 06-20-2017 10:18 PM

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No more getting Russell. He's going to NJ.

Aussie Dunker 06-22-2017 03:40 AM

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Apparently we got offered Deandre Jordan for Dre straight swap,

We said no - Dre 5 years younger and 4 years left on contract compared to Jordan's 1

dd24 06-22-2017 10:03 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aussie Dunker
Apparently we got offered Deandre Jordan for Dre straight swap,

We said no - Dre 5 years younger and 4 years left on contract compared to Jordan's 1


That would be a really dumb trade. That tells me the Clippers think that Paul and Blake are going to leave. If they do then Jordan is out next season. They're trying to lock someone in. Paul to the Spurs. I wonder where Blake ends up. Celtics, Thunder, or Wizards possibly.

dd24 06-22-2017 03:19 PM

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Another thing makes me think CP3 is headed to the Spurs too. They are trying to trade LMA for a lottery pick to make cap space. I still think the Pistons should look at that. We aren't getting a better player at 12. LMA is a good fit next to Dre.

dd24 06-22-2017 05:38 PM

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Kings are still trying to get Drummond.
https://www.sactownroyalty.com/2017/...etroit-pistons

The idea of Afflalo and Koustos for Drummond is sickening. No way that should be done. I'd take both of their lottery picks though.

Aussie Dunker 06-22-2017 07:30 PM

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Would you do Dre for #10 and WCS?

I would

But their asking price is way too high, wanting us to throw in our #12 in any of those trades

The suns supposedly offered #4 for Deandre Jordan (which I find strange!) if that is the case, I would do Drummond for #4 in a heart beat. If that happened, how would you work our #4 and #12 picks?

#4 Fox
#12 Collins if he slips a little, otherwise if gone hold off until our pick in which a team from the late teens see's a guy they love, trade down with them, gain another asset, and take someone like Giles or I really like Anigbogu (a lot).

dd24 06-22-2017 07:37 PM

Re: Pistons 2017 Off Season Moves
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aussie Dunker
Would you do Dre for #10 and WCS?

I would

But their asking price is way too high, wanting us to throw in our #12 in any of those trades

The suns supposedly offered #4 for Deandre Jordan (which I find strange!) if that is the case, I would do Drummond for #4 in a heart beat. If that happened, how would you work our #4 and #12 picks?

#4 Fox
#12 Collins if he slips a little, otherwise if gone hold off until our pick in which a team from the late teens see's a guy they love, trade down with them, gain another asset, and take someone like Giles or I really like Anigbogu (a lot).


I would have answered that 4 & 12 scenario the exact same, and I also would do that in a heart beat. I feel like it's a win win. The Suns would do some damage in the West with their guards and a real C. Plus Bender would be a nice fit next to Dre.

The Suns offered Bledsoe for Mudiay and the 13 pick to the Nuggets. Doesn't make much sense lol.

dd24 06-28-2017 05:13 PM

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The Rockets have been busy today. People may think it's CP3 that's bringing them closer to a championship.... but wait there's more. This is the one that gets them over the top of Golden State!!
http://www.nba.com/pistons/news/detr...ouston-rockets
Gave him up for nothing. Makes sense. They only had a couple roster spots and need a 3rd PG and C. This clears one spot for them. I wonder if cash considerations means like $5. I would assume this helps the cap situation for Houston.

Aussie Dunker 06-28-2017 07:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dd24
The Rockets have been busy today. People may think it's CP3 that's bringing them closer to a championship.... but wait there's more. This is the one that gets them over the top of Golden State!!
http://www.nba.com/pistons/news/detr...ouston-rockets
Gave him up for nothing. Makes sense. They only had a couple roster spots and need a 3rd PG and C. This clears one spot for them. I wonder if cash considerations means like $5. I would assume this helps the cap situation for Houston.


Welllll Hilliard did more for us than Middleton did, and look at him go now!.. haha, but I am fairly sure Hilliard will make a fine D-League player.

In saying that, Houston lost a lot of depth in that trade, and Hilliard has potential to be a serviceable deep threat for a team who loves to jack up treys. Might find a nice little role at the end of their bench actually. He doesn't offer much else than the long ball and from all accounts a great guy around the Locker room

dd24 06-28-2017 08:07 PM

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From the sounds of it he doesn't have a guaranteed deal so the Rockets can waive him and save his contract against their cap space. The Rockets want to make another move....

dd24 07-02-2017 02:43 PM

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This is why I'm going to be calling for SVG to get fired pretty soon.

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-pist...181227196.html

We just gave Langston Galloway 3 years 21 million. Sure he's a decent shooter and Detroit needs shooters. But we just paid all that money to a bench player and it could ruin our chances to keep KCP.

dd24 07-02-2017 02:59 PM

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I'm assuming they think Kennard is the eventual starter at that spot and they're letting KCP go.

Aussie Dunker 07-02-2017 07:43 PM

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Seems like interest for KCP has been lower than expected.

We really did get found out last year with our depth, especially at Guard.

I am really liking Jackson in our Summer League team, but he is a similar type of guard as Ish. Galloway provides deep shooting depth which is a nice contrast.

3 years 21 mill is really not all that bad/ 7 mill per year in this day and age is about what a rotational player will cost you.

I would rather spend 7 mill on a guy who can provide something in 10 - 15 minutes than pay 3 - 4 mill for a guy who doesn't belong in the NBA

dd24 07-02-2017 08:20 PM

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I'm not saying he got over paid. It is what the market pays for a player like that. I just don't think it was a smart move. There's teams that have a ton of cap space that are going to try to make a move on a guy like KCP and the Pistons will need to spend a lot to keep him.

dd24 07-02-2017 08:29 PM

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I think SVG has to find a way to get Ellenson some more minutes this season. He's been shooting the ball very well in summer league so far. It would make sense to move Leuer. Try to get a draft pick or something like that. I actually like what Leuer did for us last season. I just don't see any other way to free up minutes unless they trade Harris or Morris which I don't see them doing at this point. Harris was probably our best player last season. Which is pretty sad and part of the reason this team isn't that good. But with that I don't see them moving him just yet.

Aussie Dunker 07-02-2017 10:26 PM

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Yeah it's a tough call. Ellenson has looked like a man amongst boys at Summer League - the way he has been splashing in that turn around J after posting his man down. Looks smooth and confident!

Leur has one of the best contracts in the NBA and has 3 more years to run on it. I think we would be crazy to move him. I would love to see him play backup C more than PF.

I think potentially moving Harris or Morris would be a better option, as it would free up SF minutes for Stanley, and also PF minutes for Ellenson.

Dre 32 / Leur 12 / Boban 4
Harris 30 / Ellenson 12 / Morris 6
Morris 22 / Stanley 20 / KCP 6
KCP 28 / Kennard 15 / Stanley 5
Reggie 28 / Ish 12 / Galloway 8

dd24 07-03-2017 03:35 AM

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They're all on pretty good contracts, besides maybe Tobias.

dd24 07-03-2017 02:55 PM

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The Pistons are rated as one of the biggest losers of free agency so far.
https://sports.yahoo.com/winners-los...120329444.html

That Galloway move will haunt us for a while.


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