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MLS Surpasses NBA In Attendance
[url]http://www.bnet.com/blog/advertising-business/-8220american-football-8221-us-soccer-overtakes-nba-nhl-in-attendance/10942[/url]
[QUOTE][B]U.S. Major League Soccer has eclipsed both the NBA and the National Hockey League in terms of average attendance at games[/B] — a feat that explains why Fox and Telemundo just paid an incredible $1 billion for the rights to broadcast the Word Cup in 2018 and 2022. That price was more than twice what ESPN and Univision paid to broadcast the 2010 and 2014 World Cups.
[B]Here’s how the most recent attendance numbers break down:[/B]
1. NFL: 66,960
2. MLB: 30,352
[B]3. MLS: 17,872
4. NBA: 17,319[/B]
5. NHL: 17,126
[B]MLS is also fairing respectably on the international soccer stage:[/B]
1. English Premier League: 35,283
2. Germany Bundesliga: 32,101
3. Spain La Liga: 29,128
4. Mexico Primera: 26,722
5. Italy Serie A: 24,031
6. Argentina Primera: 19,843
7. France Ligue 1: 19,650
8. Netherlands Eredivisie: 19,116
9. Japan J League 1: 18,428
[B]10. U.S. Major League Soccer: 17,872[/B]
11. England League Championship: 17,388
12. Brazil Serie A: 14,839
13. Germany Bundesliga 2: 14,539
14. Scottish Premier League: 13,677
[B]Americans fill their arenas fuller than the football mad Brazilians or the Scots. And they’re breathing down the necks of superpowers such as Argentina, France and Holland.[/B]
In the next few years, get ready for the definition of “American football” to require a little more clarification.[/QUOTE]
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And this does not even factor in the huge drop in attendance that the NBA will suffer following the NBA lockout...............
:lol :oldlol: :roll:
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dont they play in larger venues though ??? if so thats not really saying much
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:facepalm
not sure if trolling or phucking retarded. probably both.
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[QUOTE=icewill36]dont they play in larger venues though ??? if so thats not really saying much[/QUOTE]
Agreed. This is like comparing apples and different types of apples.
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Hmmm....... a 19,000 seat arena vs a 50- 75,000 seat arena.
:facepalm
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[QUOTE=knickscity]Hmmm....... a 19,000 seat arena vs a 50- 75,000 seat arena.
:facepalm[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, because MLS arenas are that big............
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
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OP is a idiot. What else is new?
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With so many mexicans flooding Usa it was bound to happen(joke)..sad news,i hope Americans resist to the evil boring shitty game that is football,or soccer or whatever..here in Europe this shit is everywhere takin over every media,a typical sports fan knows more about a 3rd division Swedish football club than basketball..
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[QUOTE=Jon_Koncak]With so many mexicans flooding Usa it was bound to happen(joke)..sad news,i hope Americans resist to the evil boring shitty game that is football,or soccer or whatever..here in Europe this shit is everywhere takin over every media,a typical sports fan knows more about a 3rd division Swedish football club than basketball..[/QUOTE]
The NBA is much more boring than football (soccer) is. That's the reason this is happening. Sure, NCAA tournament or good European basketball is good.............but NOT the NBA.
The NBA is scripted and fixed and the large majority of people in the US know it. That's why the popularity of the NBA in both USA and Europe has steadily declined over the last 10-12 years.
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What's Euro League average attendance?
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[QUOTE=Sarcastic]What's Euro League average attendance?[/QUOTE]
Last year it was 7,478.
But keep in mind that Euroleague attendance = number of people in the arena.
[B]While NBA "attendance" = number of tickets sold.[/B]
In many NBA games the actual in arena number is 4,000-5,000.
Unfortunately, the Euroleague does not publish tickets sold numbers, to get a better comparison.
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[QUOTE=Euroleague]Last year it was 7,478.
But keep in mind that Euroleague attendance = number of people in the arena.
[B]While NBA "attendance" = number of tickets sold.[/B]
In many NBA games the actual in arena number is 4,000-5,000.
Unfortunately, the Euroleague does not publish tickets sold numbers, to get a better comparison.[/QUOTE]
To think I defended you yesterday. You bring this upon yourself. Youre a ****ing retard.
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[QUOTE=RRR3]To think I defended you yesterday. You bring this upon yourself. Youre a ****ing retard.[/QUOTE]
The NBA attendance figure is number of tickets sold, NOT number of people in the arena.
THIS IS A FACT.
Are you trying to claim otherwise?
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[QUOTE=Euroleague]The NBA attendance figure is number of tickets sold, NOT number of people in the arena.
THIS IS A FACT.
Are you trying to claim otherwise?[/QUOTE]
Some Sixers and Wizards games are pretty empty ,but in general most of the games i watched last year were pretty much packed including the nose bleed seats.
But still ahead of NHL by some two hundred people. :banana:
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[QUOTE=Vienceslav]Some Sixers and Wizards games are pretty empty ,but in general most of the games i watched last year were pretty much packed including the nose bleed seats.
But still ahead of NHL by some two hundred people. :banana:[/QUOTE]
The attendance figures are the number of tickets sold, regardless of how many are in the arena. Even if it is 1,000 in the arena they will count it as 14,000 - as they did in the past.
Obviously, the NBA has higher attendance than the Euroleague does, but unfortunately you can't actually compare the two because one uses tickets sold and the other uses number of people at the arena.
So it's informative to look at the two numbers, but in reality, it does not really tell you much because the two numbers are counting different things.
I am sure the NBA has higher attendance in game, but it's not nearly as high as that. Supposedly, the NBA in arena average is around 13,000.
So, about 13,000 for NBA in arena, and about 7,500 for Euroleague in arena.
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Topics like these... It looks like you HATE the NBA, if not then why are you laughing at facts like these?
IF you hate the NBA, then why on earth are you on AN NBA FORUM..
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[QUOTE=Euroleague]The attendance figures are the number of tickets sold, regardless of how many are in the arena. Even if it is 1,000 in the arena they will count it as 14,000 - as they did in the past.
Obviously, the NBA has higher attendance than the Euroleague does, but unfortunately you can't actually compare the two because one uses tickets sold and the other uses number of people at the arena.
So it's informative to look at the two numbers, but in reality, it does not really tell you much because the two numbers are counting different things.
I am sure the NBA has higher attendance in game, but it's not nearly as high as that. Supposedly, the NBA in arena average is around 13,000.
So, about 13,000 for NBA in arena, and about 7,500 for Euroleague in arena.[/QUOTE]
There's only 24 Euro League teams. NBA has 30 arenas they are trying to fill up. It's hard to get people to go to Milwaukee vs Sacramento games.
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[QUOTE=Rnbizzle]Topics like these... It looks like you HATE the NBA, if not then why are you laughing at facts like these?
IF you hate the NBA, then why on earth are you on AN NBA FORUM..[/QUOTE]
Euroleague, please answer his question.
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[B]MLB capacity avg: 44,234[/B]
[B]NFL capacity avg: 70,000[/B]
The smallest is the Colts' RCA dome at 60,272.
largest is the Redskins' FedEx Field at 80,00
NBA is between 17,000 to 21,000 seating, [B]most of of the venues are 18,000[/B].
The NBA playoffs has had more viewers watching than the MLB for a few seasons now. The second most watched sport in the U.S.
What do we include from this? Euroleague is a moron.
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...And for good measure. The average capacity of MLS stadiums is [B]21,000[/B].
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[QUOTE=Rnbizzle]Topics like these... It looks like you HATE the NBA, if not then why are you laughing at facts like these?
IF you hate the NBA, then why on earth are you on AN NBA FORUM..[/QUOTE]
How the hell can you not laugh at this? MLS with higher per game attendance average than NBA - even before the lockout..........
How the hell can you not laugh at this?
"NBA forum"? WTF? This [B]IS[/B] an NBA related topic.
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[QUOTE=Sarcastic]There's only 24 Euro League teams. NBA has 30 arenas they are trying to fill up. It's hard to get people to go to Milwaukee vs Sacramento games.[/QUOTE]
Do you actually think that the 24 biggest drawing clubs in Europe play in Euroleague? I have news for you..not even close. There are plenty of clubs that do not play in Euroleague that outdraw clubs that are in Euroleague.
If you want to get into such technical details, then the fact that some of the biggest drawing clubs in Europe do not even play in Euroleague can be brought up.
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[QUOTE=catch24][B]MLB capacity avg: 44,234[/B]
[B]NFL capacity avg: 70,000[/B]
The smallest is the Colts' RCA dome at 60,272.
largest is the Redskins' FedEx Field at 80,00
NBA is between 17,000 to 21,000 seating, [B]most of of the venues are 18,000[/B].
The NBA playoffs has had more viewers watching than the MLB for a few seasons now. The second most watched sport in the U.S.
What do we include from this? Euroleague is a moron.[/QUOTE]
WTF is wrong with you?
MLS is Major League Soccer. Nothing to do with baseball or American football.
[B]MLS average arena size is 21,000.[/B]
What to conclude from this? YOU are a true moron.
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[QUOTE=catch24]...And for good measure. The average capacity of MLS stadiums is [B]21,000[/B].[/QUOTE]
And how does this support his argument in any way at all?
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[QUOTE=Euroleague]
And this does not even factor in the huge drop in attendance that the NBA will suffer following the NBA lockout...............
:lol :oldlol: :roll:[/QUOTE] So? and this tells us what? That he worlds most popular sport is popular?
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[QUOTE=L8kersfan222]Negged[/QUOTE]
Negged.
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Only one NBA team even has 22 thousand seats to fill.
Glancing down the list of MLS stadiums when setup for soccer....36 thousand seat stadium...27 thousand....26 thousand. 27 thousand. 25. 25. 23. The smallest is 10...and wikipedia says they have a 60 thousand seat one(Oaklands) as backup to sell more tickets for big games. A lot are football stadiums they just choose how much to use based on what they think they can sell.
If the Knicks could play in Giants stadium with a roof on it anytime they play the Heat in the playoffs or play the Lakers they would have 50+ thousand people in it. They had just under 109 thousand in the Cowboys arena at the ASG.
But basketball isnt good live when you cant see the court well. So its played in small arenas.
If the Heat, Knicks, and Lakers alone could go play in huge stadiums to take advantage of big matchups they might make up the difference themselves. But its not how basketball is setup.
They just put them in big arenas for special occasions as a money grab(final four...all star games...shit like that).
The Hawks got 60+ thousand people into the Georgia dome to see Michael Jordan vs them once.
Given the option to takeover football stadiums to sell more tickets of course they would sell more than the MLS. They are a few hundred back now without just taking over Cowboys stadium when the Heat come in town to draw in 40 thousand people with average ticket prices at like 25 bucks the way the MLS does in football towns.
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[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Only one NBA team even has 22 thousand seats to fill.
Glancing down the list of MLS stadiums when setup for soccer....36 thousand seat stadium...27 thousand....26 thousand. 27 thousand. 25. 25. 23. The smallest is 10...and they have a 60 thousand seat one as backup to sell more tickets for big games. A lot are football stadiums they just choose how much to use based on what they think they can sell.
If the Knicks could play in Giants stadium with a roof on it anytime they play the Heat in the playoffs or play the Lakers they would have 50+ thousand people in it. They had just under 109 thousand in the Cowboys arena at the ASG.
But basketball isnt good live when you cant see the court well. So its played in small arenas.
If the Heat, Knicks, and Lakers alone could go play in huge stadiums to take advantage of big matchups they might make up the difference themselves. But its not how basketball is setup.
They just put them in big arenas for special occasions as a money grab(final four...all star games...shit like that).[/QUOTE]
[B]TOTAL BULL SHIT[/B]
Even for you this post is lame.
:facepalm
The Greek League basketball club AEK outdoor attendance was [B]120,000[/B].
[B]120,000[/B] was the attendance in Greek Basketball League club AEK outdoor game.
If you ever have a valid, legit and pertinent point to make........PLEASE do so.
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[QUOTE=Euroleague]And how does this support his argument in any way at all?[/QUOTE]
Uh, what? The NBA, on average, has a capacity of 18,000 seats.
Think about it..take a few minutes if you need to.
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[QUOTE=catch24]Uh, what? The NBA, on average, has a capacity of 18,000 seats.
Think about it..take a few minutes if you need to.[/QUOTE]
The NBA fails to fill that capacity.
Think about it for a sec...maybe it will occur to you.
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Which has to do with what? At all? A basketball game played outside in spring means what? The NBA is a winter game that isnt all played in places like LA and Miami. It begins in Octomber/november and winds down as it warms up. You dont put people outside to watch/play basketball in the snow in New York/Michigan/DC/chicago.
Or were you just pointing out that basketball can draw given a large venue to do so? Im shocked. As that was not my point at all. I mean...I didnt mention the several times basketball is played in such settings and sold football numbers. I didnt mention the Hawks selling 60 thousand. Or the ASG getting 109. Or the final four getting big numbers(75 thousand in the superdome).
These are things...I am not aware of yes?
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[QUOTE=Euroleague]The NBA fails to fill that capacity.
Think about it for a sec...maybe it will occur to you.[/QUOTE]
Games just aren't watchable from nose-bleeds at a place like the old Western forum for instance. As evidence, the NBA is the 2nd most watched sport (in the US) according to the latest Nielsen ratings.
Now that all your excuses have been shredded, whats the next argument in your agenda?
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[QUOTE=catch24]Games just aren't watchable from nose-bleeds at a place like the old Western forum for instance. As evidence, the NBA is the 2nd most watched sport (in the US) according to the latest Nielsen ratings.
Now that all your excuses have been shredded, whats the next argument in your agenda?[/QUOTE]
MLS has higher TV ratings in Europe than the NBA does.
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[QUOTE=Euroleague]MLS has higher TV ratings in Europe than the NBA does.[/QUOTE]
:confusedshrug:
Isn't soccer more popular in Europe than it is in the US?
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Keep in mind that the NBA (and NHL) have around over twice as many home games (41 for NBA/NHL, 17 for MLS this past year). While MLS might have a higher average attendance for games, more people are showing up to NBA and NHL games per year. [B]5,468,951[/B] showed up to watch MLS games in the 2011 regular season; [B]21,302,573[/B] showed up for NBA games for 2010 - 2011; and 20,928,036 showed up to watch NHL in 2010 - 2011.
Also, generally MLS venues, while not huge, are bigger than NBA and NHL ones. This makes sense, as soccer is played in stadia, and basketball and hockey in arenas.
Basically, while this is good news for MLS, it doesn't really mean much when looked at from a more general view of US sports. NBA and NHL are still much more popular. 5 and a half million versus over 20 million is still a huge gap.
And it certainly doesn't prove anything about whether or not NBA is popular in the US. It obviously is. One needs only look at the TV ratings to see that. MLS, while doing well for itself in attendance, is still woefully ignored on TV.
In conclusion, Euroleague really, really sucks.
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Let's talk about MLS's TV contract vs NBA's TV contract, shall we?
Does MLS even have a TV contract?
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[QUOTE=Sarcastic]Let's talk about MLS's TV contract vs NBA's TV contract, shall we?
Does MLS even have a TV contract?[/QUOTE]
Yep. It currently has national contracts with ESPN, Fox and (I believe) Galavision. Next year, the Fox deal expires and it will have a new contract with NBC, with 2 games on NBC proper and 6 on NBC Sports (the rebranded Versus).
But your point stands - in terms of TV viewership and rights, the NBA crushes MLS. Not even close.
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[QUOTE=fillmont] [B]5,468,951[/B] showed up to watch MLS games in the 2011 regular season; [B]21,302,573[/B] showed up for NBA games for 2010 - 2011; and 20,928,036 showed up to watch NHL in 2010 - 2011.
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This. And ticket prices to NBA games are far, far higher than NHL or MLS. No contest.
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[QUOTE=Droid101]This. And [B]ticket prices[/B] to NBA games are far, far higher than NHL or MLS. No contest.[/QUOTE]
Another good point.
I love me some MLS, so it really bothers me to see a troll use it as a jab against an unrelated sport. MLS has been doing well for itself, but it is still years/decades away from even approaching the level of popularity and cultural awareness that the NBA has.