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The Big Ass Second Term/Politics thread part V
Seems like a good time for a new thread.
Not only is Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel going to be testifying this week about the Bowe Berghdahl swap, we have a new ambassador nominee to Qatar getting a hearing this week.
Qatar being the country where the Taliban 5 are being sent to
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The jihadist group ISIS who is fighting in both Syria and Iraq, just took over Mosul, [URL="http://www.cbsnews.com/news/iraq-city-of-mosul-falls-into-hands-of-isis-jihadists-after-police-army-abandon-posts/"]the second largest city in Iraq.[/URL]
[QUOTE]Islamic militants overran parts of Iraq's second-largest city of Mosul on Tuesday, driving security forces from their posts and seizing the provincial government headquarters, security bases and other key buildings. Gunmen cruised through neighborhoods, waving black banners while residents fled.
Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki pressed parliament to declare a state of emergency.
The fight for Mosul was a heavy defeat in Baghdad's battle against a widening insurgency by a breakaway al Qaeda group, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, which has been trying - with some success - to seize territory both in Iraq and neighboring Syria.
Earlier this year, the group captured another Iraqi city, Fallujah, in the west of the country, and government forces have been unable to take it back after months of fighting. The far larger Mosul is an even more strategic prize. The city and surrounding Ninevah province are a major export route for Iraqi oil and a gateway to Syria.
Regaining Mosul poses a daunting challenge for al-Maliki. The city has a Sunni Muslim majority and many in the community are already deeply embittered against his Shiite-led government. During the nearly nine-year American presence in the country, Mosul was a major stronghold for al Qaeda and U.S. and Iraqi forces carried out repeated offensives there, regaining a semblance of control but never routing the insurgents entirely.[/QUOTE]
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ISIS is the group, that is fighting Al Zawahiri's core Al Qaeda for leadership of the jihadi movement. A victory like can mean other groups who have yet to choose sides see them as the stronger group.
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House Majority Leader Eric Cantor just lost in the primary to a Tea Party candidate.
[QUOTE][URL="http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/politicsnow/la-na-pn-cantor-loses-to-tea-party-challenger-20140610-story.html"]Washington reels as House's Eric Cantor loses to tea party challenger[/URL]
In a shocking political defeat guaranteed to upend Republican Party politics, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor of Virginia lost his primary election Tuesday to a tea party newcomer who hammered the No. 2 leader on immigration reform. It was the first downfall of a congressional leader in a generation.
Establishment Washington reeled from the moment the polls closed as Cantor, the ambitious leader with his sights on becoming the next House speaker, trailed Dave Brat, a local college professor who rustled for tea party support at a time when GOP leaders elsewhere have succeeded in halting the ascent of hard-right candidates.
In the end, Brat claimed an easy victory over the seven-term incumbent in the Richmond-area district.[/QUOTE]
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There was an emerging storyline that this was the year the establishment Republicans fought back the Tea Party. That story is now dead. This was posted on the Washington Post at 5PM today
[QUOTE]PRIMARY ANALYSIS: A conservative challenger is expected to fall far short of defeating House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) in Tuesday’s congressional primary in Virginia, reports Rachel Weiner.[/QUOTE]
He ended up losing by 11 points. I wonder who was polling this. The Tea Party guy campaigned against immigration reform.
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This Cantor thing is gigantic. He was probably going to be the next speaker of the House. This reporter is very wired into the House GOP, here's some of his tweets.
[QUOTE]Robert Costa @costareports
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ISIS. Sounds like something from a James Bond movie.
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[QUOTE=Scoooter]ISIS. Sounds like something from a James Bond movie.[/QUOTE]
Their name translates to the Islamic State in Iraq and t[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levant"]he Levant.[/URL] In additon to Iraq and Syria the Levant includes Lebanon, Israel Palestine, parts of Turkey and other areas. So that gives some sense of their ambition. It's also an old term for the Middle East before the British redrew the maps.
They used to be Al Qaeda in Iraq, but now they are fighting Al Qaeda.
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The politicians of our day are nothing but glorified aristocrats. They have not reached their seats by the merit of their own talent or skill, but by a tradition of nepotism, populism, and other means of corruption.
I refuse to endorse the puppets and tyrants that claim to represent us. Bring back the monarchy. The rightful rulers of man are not suits who are up for sale to the highest bidder. Qatar is getting the world cup in 2022? Bullshit.
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Wild that Cantor lost, and to boot he's replaced by a Tea-Bag that will split them even further.
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[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]Wild that Cantor lost, and to boot he's replaced by a Tea-Bag that will split them even further.[/QUOTE]
Boehner is expected to step down as Speaker next year. That means, right now there is no favorite and it's wide open.
Also, apparently it was an open primary and Democrats could have voted in it. Cantor got 79% last time and there's was a lot more voters this time. I wonder if there was any large switchover.
I don't know how anyone could keep any sort of organized campaign quiet these days.
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[QUOTE=KevinNYC] and there's was a lot more voters this time. I wonder if there was any large switchover.
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On the contrary. I believe from what I saw there was much less voter turn out.
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[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]On the contrary. I believe from what I saw there was much less voter turn out.[/QUOTE]
Compared to other states Viriginia has low turnout in primaries. This is because for a long, long time Virginia didn't have primaries. The parties chose their candidates in conventions.
But compared to 2012, [B]voter turnout was UP 30%[/B]
[QUOTE]Mr. Cantor easily defeated a primary challenge in 2012, generally a better year for the Tea Party, by nearly a 60-point margin. Turnout was not unusually low: More than 63,000 votes have been counted so far, up from around 47,037 in 2012.[/QUOTE]
So it may have been that polling the entire district you had Cantor willing by 30 points. But if you looked at who was going to get out and vote, he was in trouble.
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[QUOTE=KevinNYC]Also, apparently it was an open primary and Democrats could have voted in it. Cantor got 79% last time and there's was a lot more voters this time. I wonder if there was any large switchover.
I don't know how anyone could keep any sort of organized campaign quiet these days.[/QUOTE]
This doesn't look like it happened. [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/06/11/did-democratic-votes-doom-eric-cantor/"]Reviews of polling data[/URL] show the Democratic areas had the lowest turnout yesterday while Cantor's support collapsed in areas that went for Mitt Romney in 2012.
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Apparently, Cantor helped gerrymander his district to be a very conservative district so it would be safe and he could rack up big wins in the general election.
Ooops.
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[QUOTE=KevinNYC]So it may have been that polling the entire district you had Cantor willing by 30 points. But if you looked at who was going to get out and vote, he was in trouble.[/QUOTE]
Even the national Tea Party organizations didn't pour money into this race, they weren't expecting this to be close either.
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[QUOTE=KevinNYC]Apparently, Cantor helped gerrymander his district to be a very conservative district so it would be safe and he could rack up big wins in the general election.
Ooops.[/QUOTE]
:lol
you reap what you sow
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[QUOTE=kentatm]:lol
you reap what you sow[/QUOTE]
Cantor just resigned as Majority Leader. They vote on a new one next week.
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They're not [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/insurgents-in-northern-iraq-push-toward-major-oil-installations/2014/06/11/3983dd22-f162-11e3-914c-1fbd0614e2d4_story.html"]stopping at Mosul[/URL]
[QUOTE]Insurgents inspired by al-Qaeda pressed ahead Wednesday with an offensive against collapsing security forces in northern Iraq, capturing the cities of Tikrit and Baiji and continuing to advance southward toward Baghdad.[/QUOTE]
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[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/06/11/how-isis-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-became-the-worlds-most-powerful-jihadi-leader/"]The World's most powerful Jihadist.[/URL][QUOTE]For all his power and newfound notoriety, there are only two authenticated photos of a man now called the world’s “most powerful jihadi leader.” One shows a serious man with an olive complexion and round countenance. The other, released by the Iraqi government in January, depicts an unsmiling bearded figure in a black suit. The image is cracked and blurry, as though someone had taken a picture of a picture.
Though he’s “the world’s most dangerous man” to Time magazine and the “the new bin Laden” to Le Monde, the man who orchestrated the sacking of northern Iraq’s largest city and today controls a nation-size swath of land, is a relatively unknown and enigmatic figure.
Much of what is known of Baghdadi’s history is unconfirmed, while other information is disputed to such a degree that it’s nearly impossible to discern where fact meets Baghdadi’s rising myth.
Several facts, however, are clear: Baghdadi leads the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. He is a shrewd strategist, a prolific fundraiser and a ruthless killer. The United States has a $10 million bounty on his head. He has thrown off the yoke of al-Qaeda command and just took his biggest prize yet in Mosul, an oil hub that sits at the vital intersection of Iraq, Turkey and Syria. And in just one year of grisly killing, he has in all likelihood surpassed even al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri in international clout and prestige among Islamist militants.
“[B]The true heir to Osama bin Laden may be ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi,” wrote The Washington Post’s David Ignatius. He is “more violent, more virulent, more anti-American,[/B]” a senior U.S. intelligence official told the columnist, while the cautious and uncharismatic Zawahiri “is not coping well.” In fact, Baghdadi is now recruiting fighters from other Zawahiri affiliates, including al-Qaeda’s Yemen branch and the Somalia-based al-Shabab.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=KevinNYC]Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel going to be testifying this week about the Bowe Berghdahl swap, [/QUOTE]
Didn't seem like anything big came out of Hagel's testimony, but there was some big news about Bergdahl. Was he going mad?
The Washington Post got hold of Bowe Bergdahl's journal. Apparently friends were concerned about his mental health.
[QUOTE]Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl was discharged from the Coast Guard for psychological reasons, said close friends who were worried about his emotional health at the time.
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The 2006 discharge and a trove of Bergdahl
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I think it's generally true that it becomes easy for presidents/governors to lose their agenda when they are faced with the second term.
while some may go overboard in trying to accomplish a legacy, others, try and do nothing until making the nessecary adjustments before they hand it off to the next guy. - unless they have been ambition enough to attempt for a 3rd term.
besides that of FDR. Perhaps the only way for a president to go over 2 terms, or to even have legitimate reasons to go beyond 2 terms. Would be wether or not he/she is capable of identifying the needs/adjustments the public ought to make due to private sectors innovation/investments, even that of before the house of representatives.
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[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-captured-benghazi-suspect-in-secret-raid/2014/06/17/7ef8746e-f5cf-11e3-a3a5-42be35962a52_story.html?hpid=z1[/url]
[QUOTE]U.S. captures Benghazi suspect in secret raid
U.S. Special Operations forces captured one of the suspected ringleaders of the terrorist attacks in Benghazi in a secret raid in Libya over the weekend, the first time one of the accused perpetrators of the 2012 assaults has been apprehended, according to U.S. officials.
The officials said Ahmed Abu Khattala was captured Sunday near Benghazi by American troops, working alongside the FBI, following months of planning, and was now in U.S. custody
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[QUOTE=KevinNYC][URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/06/11/how-isis-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-became-the-worlds-most-powerful-jihadi-leader/"]The World's most powerful Jihadist.[/URL][/QUOTE]
There's a lot of reports out that this is not just ISIS in Iraq. That this is a Sunni Alliance involved not only the jihadi ISIS, but[URL="Other than the two jihadist militias ISIS and Ansar al-Islam, insurgents include a coalition of nearly 80 Sunni Arab tribes, known as the Military Council of the Tribes of Iraq. This coalition has strong presence in Sunni areas especially in Fallujah, Ramadi, and in various areas in Nineveh and Salaheddin. According to Arabic news site al-Araby al-Jadid, the coalition is estimated to include about 41 armed groups, among them soldiers and officers from the dismantled Iraqi army of Saddam Hussein."] old Baath generals from the Saddam era and the local tribes. [/URL]This, of course is a very unstable alliance and would collapse once they beat back the Shiites.[QUOTE]Other than the two jihadist militias ISIS and Ansar al-Islam, insurgents include a coalition of nearly 80 Sunni Arab tribes, known as the Military Council of the Tribes of Iraq. This coalition has strong presence in Sunni areas especially in Fallujah, Ramadi, and in various areas in Nineveh and Salaheddin. According to Arabic news site al-Araby al-Jadid, the coalition is estimated to include about 41 armed groups, among them soldiers and officers from the dismantled Iraqi army of Saddam Hussein.
[B]Then there is the Army of the Men of the Naqshbandi Order, a group allegedly headed by former Iraqi vice president Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri.[/B] Formed in 2007, the group consists of thousands of former members of the Baath party, as well Sufi and Muslim Brotherhood-leaning fighters. At least in terms of numbers, the group is a strong rival to ISIS and has strong social roots in the community. In 2009, U.S. officials warned that the order might be more dangerous than Al-Qaeda because its members succeeded in establishing deep roots within Sunni Iraqi society.
The Naqshbandis, who operate mostly in Mosul, downplay their Sunni focus and claim to have Kurdish and Shiite members. Observers of the group say that it also operates under different names primarily provisional military and tribal councils. But it appears that loyalists to the dismantled Baath Party of Iraq dominate the army as they do in many of the Sunni groupings that emerged in the wake of the protest movement of 2011-2013, such as the General Military Council of the Iraqi Revolutionaries (GMCIR).[/QUOTE]
[B]
Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri[/B] is the last remaining member of the US most wanted "deck of cards."
[IMG]http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41010000/jpg/_41010220_izzat203bap.jpg[/IMG]
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The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons says that [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/chlorine-gas-likely-used-in-attacks-in-syria-this-year-international-weapons-inspectors-say/2014/06/18/a7ec09cc-f71d-11e3-a606-946fd632f9f1_story.html"]chemical weapons still being used in Syria.[/URL] This time they are using Chlorine, a chemical that has other legitimate uses.
[QUOTE]International weapons inspectors have issued preliminary findings that chlorine gas was used in a
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I haven't been following politics in a couple of months. I need to catch up.
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Fox News host Kelly DESTROYS Cheney.
[url]http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/06/18/megyn_kelly_to_dick_cheney_time_and_time_again_history_has_proven_you_got_it_wrong_on_iraq.html[/url]
Fox News is showing why they're fair and balanced.
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Wisconsin Governor in trouble
[B][URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/06/19/prosecutors-allege-gov-scott-walker-schemed-to-bypass-election-laws/"]Prosecutors allege Gov. Scott Walker schemed to bypass campaign laws[/URL][/B]
[QUOTE]Prosecutors in newly released court documents allege that Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) was at the center of a scheme to violate state election law by improperly coordinating campaign activities with outside groups.
The documents, part of a separate ongoing suit but released on Thursday, focus on one individual in particular: R.J. Johnson, who directed and ran the conservative organization Wisconsin Club for Growth, a tax-exempt “social welfare” group, during the 2011 and 2012 Senate and gubernatorial recall elections in that state. Prosecutors allege that Johnson used that group to fund and guide the activities of several other 501(c)4 organizations, the IRS designation for such nonprofit “social welfare” groups, and that he acted as a “hub for the coordinated activities” of Friends of Scott Walker, the governor’s campaign committee, and those groups.
Prosecutors also allege Johnson was coordinating with the Republican State Leadership Committee, the national organization that seeks to elect Republicans at the state level. The documents cite a key May 4, 2011, e-mail from Gov. Walker to political strategist Karl Rove, in which Walker allegedly acknowledges Johnson’s role in running the coordination campaign.
“Bottom-line: R.J. helps keep in place a team that is wildly successful in Wisconsin,” Walker allegedly wrote. “We are running 9 recall elections and it will be like running 9 Congressional markets in every market in the state (and Twin Cities.)”
Johnson provided Walker with notes that August saying that Wisconsin Club for Growth’s efforts were run by “Johnson and Deborah Jordahl, who coordinated spending through 12 different groups,” according to the filing.
....“This is a shocking development,” Mike Tate, the Democratic Party chair in Wisconsin said. You have a Republican prosecutor saying Scott Walker is at the center of a criminal scheme. You’ve got communication between Scott Walker and Karl Rove dictating activity that by all appearances is in violation of Wisconsin law. We’re not New Jersey, we’re not Illinois. We don’t send our governors to jail. This is a shocking development.”[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=longhornfan1234]I haven't been following politics in a couple of months. I need to catch up.[/QUOTE]
Welcome Back, [URL="http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/christie-investigation?src=soc_twtr"]here's some Bridgegate news.[/URL]
Esquire is reporting the NJ Federal Attorney is close to indicted 4 people in the Bridgegate scandal including David Samson who Christie went out of his way to vouch for when this first broke. The article reads very much like a deliberate leak by the prosecutor or his aides to ratchet up the pressure on Samson so that he will flip.
[QUOTE]Federal charges in the bridge closures potentially include both intentional interference in interstate commerce and -- in the cover-up that ensued -- obstruction of justice. The use of Port Authority money, raised by issuing bonds, to pay for non-PA projects will likely result in charges of securities fraud and conspiracy to commit same; the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission is also investigating on this front, along with the Manhattan District Attorney, who’s seeking evidence to support state charges of falsifying business records and official misconduct. Charges derived from David Samson’s numerous conflicts of interest while serving as a PA official could, in Hoboken’s case, include federal charges of extortion under the Hobbs Act, and New York state charges of official misconduct and corruption.
The clearest, quickest road to Christie, both sources agree, runs through David Samson, a former Attorney General of New Jersey who’s 74 years old and reportedly suffers from Parkinson’s disease. So: Will Samson flip?
“[B]They’ve got him cold,” says one source. “He got sloppy, arrogant, and greedy. Samson will want a deal. This way, he’d get one or two years. He’d have a future on the other side. He won’t want to die in jail.” [/B] [/QUOTE]
This part in bold is obviously what they want Samson thinking about.
I wonder what the US Attorney code of conduct says about leaks like these.
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[QUOTE=KevinNYC]House Majority Leader Eric Cantor just lost in the primary to a Tea Party candidate.[/QUOTE]
Cantor's replacement as majority leader was picked today. A friend of Cantor.
[B]Republicans elevate Boehner ally to No. 2 House job[/B]
[QUOTE]U.S. House of Representatives Republicans on Thursday chose an ally of Speaker John Boehner for the No. 2 job in the chamber, a setback for some conservatives hoping to use a leadership election to boost their influence.
Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, already the third-ranking House Republican, was chosen to replace Eric Cantor as majority leader. He will control the House floor and help decide the party's legislative priorities.
Steve Scalise, a Louisiana lawmaker with backing from Southern Republicans, beat out two other lawmakers on Thursday to replace McCarthy as party whip, drumming up votes for bills.
Tea Party Republicans had pushed for one of their own to join the leadership after a little-known professor defeated Cantor in his Virginia primary by accusing the majority leader of not pursuing a conservative enough agenda. Cantor will leave his position at the end of July. The race brought fresh turmoil to the caucus, as Tea Party favorites argued that Boehner and other, business-friendly leaders gave in too easily to Democrats on spending disputes.
Tea Party-aligned Republicans said after the vote that they were disappointed with the outcome of the majority leader race, in which Representative Raul Labrador of Idaho lost to McCarthy.
But they said Scalise could push leaders to hold their ground on key issues for conservatives, such as immigration reform and spending cuts.
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[url]http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-immigration-border-20140620-story.html[/url]
Obama is doing little for our border control. :facepalm
Our subsidies have undermined NAFTA to the point where we've created a 3rd world environment in Northern Mexico. IMO... before we start taking a hard line on immigration we need to give them a fighting chance to have economic success in their home land. Most of those people don't want to be here... they feel like they need to be either to find work or to escape the cartels. Helping them (not with money... but with more fair trade policies) economically would undermine the authority of the cartels and reduce the number of people feeling like they need to come here.
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Obama said he didn't pull the troops out of Iraq....that it was Maliki that forced them to leave and then implied that he didn't agree with removing the troops and this isn't his fault.:roll: :roll:
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[QUOTE=longhornfan1234]Obama said he didn't pull the troops out of Iraq....that it was Maliki that forced them to leave and then implied that he didn't agree with removing the troops and this isn't his fault.:roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
you do realize the withdrawal treaty was signed under bush? Which legally obligated the US to withdraw.
and obama did ask to leave a force there, but the conditions (completely under Iraqi control, etc) were so unreasonable that there was no real chance to do so.
I am no Obama apologist but, damn, people are ridiculous in trying to pin everything on him.
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[QUOTE=boozehound]you do realize the withdrawal treaty was signed under bush? [B]Which legally obligated the US to withdraw. [/B]
and obama did ask to leave a force there, but the conditions (completely under Iraqi control, etc) were so unreasonable that there was no real chance to do so.
I am no Obama apologist but, damn, people are ridiculous in trying to pin everything on him.[/QUOTE]
i think there is nothing in the world which the usa care less than the law
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[QUOTE=boozehound]you do realize the withdrawal treaty was signed under bush? Which legally obligated the US to withdraw.
and obama did ask to leave a force there, but the conditions (completely under Iraqi control, etc) were so unreasonable that there was no real chance to do so.
I am no Obama apologist but, damn, people are ridiculous in trying to pin everything on him.[/QUOTE]
That can be changed. It was a draw down and assess the situation type of agreement. :lol that you are acting like Obama's hands were tied. Don't be naive.
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[QUOTE=longhornfan1234][url]http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-immigration-border-20140620-story.html[/url]
Obama is doing little for our border control. :facepalm[/QUOTE]
How does the article actually indicate that?
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[QUOTE=KevinNYC]How does the article actually indicate that?[/QUOTE]
You didn't read Republicans' responses?:confusedshrug:
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[QUOTE=longhornfan1234]Obama said he didn't pull the troops out of Iraq....that it was Maliki that forced them to leave and then implied that he didn't agree with removing the troops and this isn't his fault.:roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]
Umm... thats exactly what happened and it was something Bush agreed to do.
how do you not know that?
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[url]http://mobile.bloomberg.com/video/economy-shrank-in-1st-quarter-by-most-in-5-years-kYtlkaaUQAu1v1vNG_WLAA.html[/url]
This isn't good. :facepalm
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[QUOTE=longhornfan1234][url]http://mobile.bloomberg.com/video/economy-shrank-in-1st-quarter-by-most-in-5-years-kYtlkaaUQAu1v1vNG_WLAA.html[/url]
This isn't good. :facepalm[/QUOTE]
It's understandable, especially with the shitty weather we had to deal with in the 1st quarter. There are some positive signs, such as consumer confidence, that bode well for the coming quarters. I think we'll see 3% or so growth for the year.