Phila, can you post the cumulative averages of Jordan (pts, rebs, etc) in these games?
BTW, the totals of the shot chart are 1346-2478 FG's.
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Phila, can you post the cumulative averages of Jordan (pts, rebs, etc) in these games?
BTW, the totals of the shot chart are 1346-2478 FG's.
[QUOTE=andgar923]Basically what some of us have been saying for eons.
if you combined the best of Kobe at his best
The best of Bron at his best
[B]And the best of Wade at his best[/B]
You get MJ[/QUOTE]
I'm guessing you included Wade just to bring down MJ's 3 point shooting.
Hmm....the children aint gonna like this topic...Good shit OP...
[B]Yeah...I Remember The Barkley Gorilla 2 Handed Dunks When I Was a Kid :rockon:
But Barkley Would Dunk It With Either Hand Too. Check This Dunk On Mutombo: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPnbqWusWVg[/url]
:bowdown: [/B]
[quote=Psileas]Phila, can you post the cumulative averages of Jordan (pts, rebs, etc) in these games?
BTW, the totals of the shot chart are 1346-2478 FG's.[/quote]
I didn't keep track of the statistics other than points scored and FG/FGA, except in "clutch" time. Overall the per game averages for all the games listed (some incomplete) is 33.7 ppg while shooting 53.5% from the floor.
[QUOTE=PHILA]I didn't keep track of the statistics other than points scored and FG/FGA, except in "clutch" time. Overall the per game averages for all the games listed (some incomplete) is [B]33.7 ppg while shooting 53.5% from the floor.[/B][/QUOTE]
MiGOD GOATdan
People jerking off to arbitrary chosen games in this thread:facepalm
I wonder how many "off games" have been included in this. I doubt there were many.
Great work though.
[QUOTE] BTW, the totals of the shot chart are 1346-2478 FG's.[/QUOTE]
Actually the totals for both shot charts + the Synergy chart is 1672/3128 FG.
The +/- on the Ortg really pretty shocking. The Net ORtg: +35.6 is simply insane. Legendary. While I do not Shaq net ORtg of 2000, I know his 2002 playoffs On − Off was +22.1. I'm shocked that the Bulls team sucked that much offensively without him. It didn't seem so when I was watching some of his games.
The +/- on Drtg is pretty big too. It's bigger than Kevin Garnett 04 (net -6.1) and Tim Duncan 03 (-5.1). While it doesn't mean he is better defensively, it just means he had crazy impact and his team didn't do well without him. That is also surprising because he had Pippen and Grant on the team.
I'm not that shocked about the midrange. He shot mostly jumpers anyway, and if you watch his games, you can tell how good he was. I'm shocked about him finishing around the rim tho. He seemed more like around 60% when watching him in the playoffs. I didn't expect a 70% with him finishing at the rim. Especially since the paint was much more crowded then than it is now. He has LeBron efficiency at the rim despite the harder difficulty.
Tho it's not the full season, it basically showed how epic prime MJ really was.
[QUOTE=scm5][url]http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=LeBron%20James[/url]
75.4 in 2012
78.3 last season.
I don't know what his percentages are this season.[/QUOTE]
Basketball-reference say that his percentage was 77.6 in the regular season (last season):
[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shooting.cgi?player_id=jamesle01&year_id=2013&is_playoffs=0[/url]
Including the playoffs it was 75.6%
[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/shooting/2013/[/url]
Nitpicking.
[QUOTE=Micku]The +/- on the Ortg really pretty shocking. The Net ORtg: +35.6 is simply insane. Legendary. While I do not Shaq net ORtg of 2000, I know his 2002 playoffs On − Off was +22.1. I'm shocked that the Bulls team sucked that much offensively without him. It didn't seem so when I was watching some of his games.
The +/- on Drtg is pretty big too. It's bigger than Kevin Garnett 04 (net -6.1) and Tim Duncan 03 (-5.1). While it doesn't mean he is better defensively, it just means he had crazy impact and his team didn't do well without him. That is also surprising because he had Pippen and Grant on the team.
I'm not that shocked about the midrange. He shot mostly jumpers anyway, and if you watch his games, you can tell how good he was. I'm shocked about him finishing around the rim tho. He seemed more like around 60% when watching him in the playoffs. I didn't expect a 70% with him finishing at the rim. Especially since the paint was much more crowded then than it is now. He has LeBron efficiency at the rim despite the harder difficulty.
Tho it's not the full season, it basically showed how epic prime MJ really was.[/QUOTE]
The data's on nba.com/stats, but you need to do the calculations yourself for the most part. I did on/off for a few notable bigs:
[url]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At9OxyY2Zhw6dHNIeWFHSEpGeFlJcFdrNHRHLV9QZXc&usp=sharing[/url]
Shaq 00 had 8.3 ORtg diff, -1.5 DRtg diff, 10.1 net diff. Much better in the playoffs (12.9, -11.1, 24.0 total).
[QUOTE=scm5][url]http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=LeBron%20James[/url]
75.4 in 2012
78.3 last season.
I don't know what his percentages are this season.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I thought the bottom row was the current season. Point stands though.
[QUOTE=Trollsmasher]People jerking off to [B]arbitrary[/B] chosen games in this thread:facepalm
I wonder how many "off games" have been included in this. I doubt there were many.
Great work though.[/QUOTE]
When was that word used anywhere? PHILA used every available game of MJ online, no "choosing" involved. If a game is out there, it's included in the sample.
[QUOTE=Trollsmasher]People jerking off to arbitrary chosen games in this thread:facepalm
I wonder how many "off games" have been included in this. I doubt there were many.
Great work though.[/QUOTE]
lol @ this jackass calling the games chosen "arbitrary" with ZERO justification. These were most of his available games from those seasons. lmao @ dude acting like the OP cherry picked the best games. :oldlol:
[quote]The +/- on Drtg is pretty big too. It's bigger than Kevin Garnett 04 (net -6.1) and Tim Duncan 03 (-5.1). While it doesn't mean he is better defensively, it just means he had crazy impact and his team didn't do well without him. That is also surprising because he had Pippen and Grant on the team.[/quote]
For what it's worth, Kevin Johnson has said that Jordan's defense was more devastating to the opposition than [I]"anything he could do offensively"[/I]. I guess this would give some credence to the belief of Bill Russell as the GOAT, strictly looking at it from an opponent's perspective.
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaAwAAXF0po"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaAwAAXF0po[/URL]
[quote=Micku]The +/- on the Ortg really pretty shocking. The Net ORtg: +35.6 is simply insane. Legendary. While I do not Shaq net ORtg of 2000, I know his 2002 playoffs On − Off was +22.1. I'm shocked that the Bulls team sucked that much offensively without him. It didn't seem so when I was watching some of his games.[/quote]
Even more telling is that Pippen was in the game for a lot of those off court minutes for Jordan, since Phil Jackson would keep one of the two players in the game to play with the bench (unless it was garbage time). The Bulls bench was inconsistent, though I think the statistics here underrate their capabilities. Even players like Will Perdue (great passer) were excellent players within their roles off the bench. In Pippen's case, he was an excellent creator and deadly in transition, though his outside jump shot was a bit shaky. What is most impressive how he really improved his outside shooting over his career, considering how bad he was as a rookie.
But that bench came through for them in big games as well, notably Game 6 vs. Portland in the Finals. For a good portion of that game it looked like the Blazers were going to force a Game 7, but early in the 4th quarter the bench led by Pippen, Hansen, etc went on a run to cut the big Blazers lead down. When Jordan subbed back in he finished them off the last 6 minutes.
Imagine seeing an explosive move off the dribble like this in high definition
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF2iBb6fp5g"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF2iBb6fp5g[/URL]