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Hornets/Rockets/Pacers/Nets Trade w/Murphy, Ariza, Lee, Others...
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STEIN_LINE_HQ RT @chadfordinsider: Hornets/Rockets/Pacers/Nets working on 4-team deal. Ariza to NO. C. Lee to HOU. Collison/Posey to IND. Murphy to NJ.
So says Mark Stein.
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wait, so indy gives up murphy for collison and posey? Wow, thats a good upgrade there for them. I gotta think there are some missing pieces to this trade.
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[QUOTE=boozehound]wait, so indy gives up murphy for collison and posey? Wow, thats a good upgrade there for them. I gotta think there are some missing pieces to this trade.[/QUOTE]
It sounds like it. I fail to see what the Nets are doing. Murphy for Lee? When they already have bigs who need to play?
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Not happening.
Since when did people begin believing everything they read on the internet?
oh yeah, ever since al gore created the internet.lol
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Bet ariza wishes he resigned with LA, gonna be bounced to "no fans" land in new Orleans
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Only team that gets better with this trade is Indy.
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a clear sign where hornets organization is trying to make moves to keep chris paul in NO. :lol
advantage pacers in this trade.
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New Orleans can do better for Collison.
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[QUOTE=niko]It sounds like it. I fail to see what the Nets are doing. Murphy for Lee? When they already have bigs who need to play?[/QUOTE]
Troy's Morristown's finest? I don't know. I just think they find Favors not ready for a starting role at the moment and we do need a rebounder. I'm not a big fan of this, but I'm also not a big fan of Courtney Lee. It seems as if Avery wants Terrence at the 2 position anyway.
EDIT: Troy's an expiring contract. Maybe they're clearing cap again?
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Murphy is not worth Collison.
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[QUOTE=niko]It sounds like it. I fail to see what the Nets are doing. Murphy for Lee? When they already have bigs who need to play?[/QUOTE]
The Nets don't have a seasoned vet among their bigs though, and I think asking Favors to play more than about 25-30 mins a night is too much for him right off the bat. Bringing Murph in there helps ensure that he's not thrown out to the wolves too soon. I really like this deal for the Nets.
[QUOTE=wang4three]EDIT: Troy's an expiring contract. Maybe they're clearing cap again?[/QUOTE]
Yep thats also an important thing to remember. As things stand the Nets should be able to add a max guy next season, and now they have a line-up that should be competitive and could win 25-30 wins under Coach Avery Johnson.
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[QUOTE=2LeTTeRS]The Nets don't have a seasoned vet among their bigs though, and I think asking Favors to play more than about 25-30 mins a night is too much for him right off the bat. Bringing Murph in there helps ensure that he's not thrown out to the wolves too soon. I really like this deal for the Nets.[/QUOTE]
That's funny if the Rockets get rid of Ariza so fast after signing him, seeing as they thought they were robbing the Lakers at the time.
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This trade is good for everyone but Houston. Why give up Ariza for Lee?
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[QUOTE=jbryan1984]This trade is good for everyone but Houston. Why give up Ariza for Lee?[/QUOTE]
They must be getting a pick/cash/salary relief over the long term or it's not worth it.
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[QUOTE=jbryan1984]This trade is good for everyone but Houston. Why give up Ariza for Lee?[/QUOTE]
This is pretty much what I thought. I like it a lot for Indy though. I have wished for them to pursuit Darren Collison for some time now.
Al though I believe it when it happens. Collison would be great for the Pacers.
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I also think Darren Collison will have the PG job at Indy. Sorry TJ.
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[QUOTE=wang4three]Troy's Morristown's finest? I don't know. I just think they find Favors not ready for a starting role at the moment and we do need a rebounder. I'm not a big fan of this, but I'm also not a big fan of Courtney Lee. It seems as if Avery wants Terrence at the 2 position anyway.
EDIT: Troy's an expiring contract. Maybe they're clearing cap again?[/QUOTE]
I don't think it's a bad trade, but i think it's a nothing trade. Murphy is a slug, he's a guy who gets meaningless numbers on horrible teams. If you tell me he's coming off the bench i'm fine, but i think Favors needs to get the majority of the minutes. For the Nets to become this really really good team, Favors has to be a stud. I just don't want him getting less minutes to try to win 25 games instead of 22.
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[QUOTE=jbryan1984]This trade is good for everyone but Houston. Why give up Ariza for Lee?[/QUOTE]Get that contract off the books. Lee's a good little player to have on your team and they owe Ariza 6-7 million in each of the next 4 years.
Houston will actually be a good bit under the cap next summer if they dump Ariza. I'm okay with it as a Rockets fan. I thought they overpaid for him all along, but he's still a good player. He was just overpaid and playing a larger role than he should in an ideal world.
Obviously the 1st year play for Budinger was encouraging as it looks like he'll be playing a bigger role if this trade goes through.
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I REALLY don't get this trade for NO. Yes, it gets rid of the other PG and gets another player for Paul, but it's a complimentary piece on a team that needs much more than that. They can't get more for Collison than this?
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I gotta say.....I don't like this trade at all for New Orleans. They gave up the best back-up point guard in the league (and possible future starter if Paul leaves) and they get back a younger version of James Posey (but with 2 more years on his contract). I don't like it. I bet Chris Paul doesn't like it either.
I don't see this making them better.
Not really sure why Jersey wants Murphy, though. At least it's just for a year. Figured they let Favors start right away. :confusedshrug:
Indiana's the clear winner by finally getting the point guard they've wanted for years.
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[QUOTE=niko]I REALLY don't get this trade for NO. Yes, it gets rid of the other PG and gets another player for Paul, but it's a complimentary piece on a team that needs much more than that. They can't get more for Collison than this?[/QUOTE]
Ariza is a pretty good player to take a bunch of alley-oops from CP.
They [I]should[/I] be able to get more for Collison, but other teams know the Hornets have that logjam that makes him expendable, which is why they will always be lowballed for him.
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[QUOTE=Droid101]Ariza is a pretty good player to take a bunch of alley-oops from CP.
They [I]should[/I] be able to get more for Collison, but other teams know the Hornets have that logjam that makes him expendable, which is why they will always be lowballed for him.[/QUOTE]
So don't trade him. It's August 11th. Taking the first deal you can on August 11th?
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[QUOTE=niko]So don't trade him. It's August 11th. Taking the first deal you can on August 11th?[/QUOTE]
Hey, I'm not saying it's smart. They're trying to do damage control for all the CP3 "make the team better or I'm gone" rumors.
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[QUOTE=jbryan1984]I also think Darren Collison will have the PG job at Indy. Sorry TJ.[/QUOTE]
I have to agree, in fact I think TJ Ford will be traded before the season starts. They tried to trade him last season, but couldn't find any takers.
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[QUOTE=Droid101]Ariza is a pretty good player to take a bunch of alley-oops from CP.
They [I]should[/I] be able to get more for Collison, but other teams know the Hornets have that logjam that makes him expendable, which is why they will always be lowballed for him.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. New Orleans made the mistake of not publicly broadcasting their intentions of dealing Collison, so teams didn't give them their best offers. I can guarantee you Charlotte would have given up much more than Trevor Ariza for the chance to take on a talent like that.
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[QUOTE=2LeTTeRS]I disagree. New Orleans made the mistake of not publicly broadcasting their intentions of dealing Collison, so teams didn't give them their best offers. I can guarantee you Charlotte would have given up much more than Trevor Ariza for the chance to take on a talent like that.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure that phone calls are going on constantly that we never hear about.
But, now that there is a "rumor" out there, don't you think other teams hear them and send in their own best offers?
What would Charlotte have given for Collison that New Orleans (or one of the other teams in the four-way) would have wanted?
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[QUOTE=CLTHornets4eva]I have to agree, in fact I think TJ Ford will be traded before the season starts. They tried to trade him last season, but couldn't find any takers.[/QUOTE]
I agree, and I'm glad he wasn't moved since Larry Brown was trying to give up Gerald Wallace to get him. I could still see him ending up in Charlotte if the Pacers are willing to take back Boris Diaw and pay him for an extra year.
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[QUOTE=Droid101]I'm sure that phone calls are going on constantly that we never hear about.
But, now that there is a "rumor" out there, don't you think other teams hear them and send in their own best offers?
What would Charlotte have given for Collison that New Orleans (or one of the other teams in the four-way) would have wanted?[/QUOTE]
Stephen Jackson for starters. If the Hornets really want to win now Jax is a better piece beside Paul than Ariza. Add in a pick or 2 and you have a much better offer.
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I really don't like this trade for any team. NO can get more for Collison right now. His trade value is very high.
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Meh, I woulda given up Wilson Chandler for Collison. He's around the same player as Ariza. The Knicks should've explored a trade like that before signing Felton.
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This link explains the trade in further depth. Any questions are answered here.
[url]http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5455472[/url]
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[QUOTE=jbryan1984]I also think Darren Collison will have the PG job at Indy. Sorry TJ.[/QUOTE]
He DEFINITELY will. That's not even debatable.
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[QUOTE=AI3Anthony]I really don't like this trade for any team. NO can get more for Collison right now. His trade value is very high.[/QUOTE]
i mean it works out for indy tho. troy murphy for darren collison :lol
what a steal. best young PG in NBA. gonna put up numbers in indy. TJ Ford......GET BACK TO THE BENCH
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[QUOTE=mayo'sgrizz]i mean it works out for indy tho. troy murphy for darren collison :lol
what a steal. best young PG in NBA. gonna put up numbers in indy. TJ Ford......GET BACK TO THE BENCH[/QUOTE]
Best young PG in the NBA? Debateable.
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Oh also didn't mention it but love this deal for the Pacers. Getting a possible all-star quality 2nd year point guard for Murph is a lot better than that trash the Cavs were offering last year.
I have a few questions about the Pacers though - Who is the Pacers starting shooting guard? I like what I've heard about George but can he even play the 2? Has Brandon Rush improved at all since he's been in the league?
EDIT - Forgot about Lance Stephenson, I hear the Pacers were impressed with him at summer league but they don't think he can start this year do they?
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I don't get this for NOLA
They should rather do something like this
Okafor & Posey -4- Kenyon Martin
Collison -4- Roy Hibbert + future 2nd round pick
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[QUOTE=jbryan1984]This trade is good for everyone but Houston. Why give up Ariza for Lee?[/QUOTE]
Because they are aiming to have an offensive player and defensive player at each position?
CT: Yao (DEF) / Miller (OFF)
PF: Scola (DEF) / Patterson (OFF)
SF: Battier (DEF) / Budinger (OFF)
SG: Martin (OFF) / Lee (DEF)
PG: Brooks (OFF) / Lowry (DEF)
With Hill, Jefferies, Harris, Hayes, Johnson & Taylor.
Very well rounded team.
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Houston did the trade to relieve themselves on some Salary Cap. If you read the link I posted after resigningKyle Lowry and Luis Scola and then signing Brad Miller they were 8mil over the luxury tax. This move for them was to shed a contract.
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I like this trade for all participating teams.
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[QUOTE=AI3Anthony]Best young PG in the NBA? Debateable.[/QUOTE]
who else would u consider big homie. (i mean excluding rose,cp3,dwill)
i kno they young but they all stars already who would u take over collison thts come out in last 3 drafts?