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Teletovic : Best or Bust?
I was wondering what type of player he is so i checked out Nets game tonight. He literally chucked any time he got the ball even without thinking passing it. No hesitation at all. Almost like a sabotage.
So I did some little researched in some forums what people was thinking about him before joining Nets...
Generally they say he is the most selfish player they have ever seen and try to shoot whenever he gets ball in his hands. He has great range but inconsistent. Some games he shoot good and become hero other days he is chucking and killing the team. He doesn't even think pass the ball, let alone assists. No rebound etc. (Of course there are some Teletovic fans as well and praise his crazy range etc. and saying he is the best)
He looks like retarded and crippled same time on court. I know it sounds harsh but that's probably the truth. I don't think he'll stay in NBA so long.4 minutes was enough for me wonder wtf is wrong with this guy :lol I think he is a bust and he'll go back to Europe in a year or two. Maybe not even that much.
[B]What worse Nets verbally agreed 15.6 million dollars for 3 years but fortunately (!) they signed with him 9 ****ing million dollars !!!...
[I]Note : His career assits average in Europe: 0.7 in 27 minutes per game.[/I][/B]
I think Europe fooled Nets organization big time. :lol
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Last 4 minutes he is back in the game again... let's see.
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He doesn't rebound or play D well enough to get minutes. But its hard to judge him yet. He's new to the NBA and seemingly tried to bulk up which was a mistake as it affected his shot. He was originally going to get the full Mle but took the smaller one so the Nets could pursue Dwight, who he was ideally meant to be paired with. He shares the same American agent as D.Will, so there was an agenda. Also if the Nets didn't sign him the Cavs were ready to.
I'll wait until the end of the year to really form an opinion. But at the time the signing made sense as we didn't have a single PF under contract, even though it cost us GG.
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I think it's impossible for Avery to like this guy. "Defense" & "Intense" is all Avery Johnson goes crazy about.
Extremely soft & unathletic for PF. I wanna say maybe he'll be good in future but he is already 27 years old. If he understands the offensive flow better and hit those long jumpers he can be Novak type of guy. I don't expect more fromhim at this point.
I'm disappointed. There were some guys with Mirza avatar on ISH. I guess i caught in their hype in early season.:lol
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He was supposed to be our Steve Novak. So far Stack has taken that role and Mirza has been on the bench every game. Right now the Nets are winning so there's no reason to try and mesh him into the lineup. MarShon NEEDS to play and I'm not going to keep saying this crap every game. Childress should never play. MarShon is losing confidence and this guy can be a key contributor for this team but he needs to play.
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[QUOTE=rodman91]I think it's impossible for Avery to like this guy. "Defense" & "Intense" is all Avery Johnson goes crazy about.
Extremely soft & unathletic for PF. I wanna say maybe he'll be good in future but he is already 27 years old. If he understands the offensive flow better and hit those long jumpers he can be Novak type of guy. I don't expect more fromhim at this point.
I'm disappointed. There were some guys with Mirza avatar on ISH. I guess i caught in their hype in early season.:lol[/QUOTE]
Avery tried to give him a chance in pre-season, he just can't afford to lose games.
I don't think he's that soft or even that unathletic (I've seen some nice dunks), he just is slow and gained too much weight, where he's not carrying it well or shooting well.
I think he needs to be played at the 3 ideally.. Peja/Hedo/Novak style. He will get beat, but at least there will be another line of defense, as opposed to him being a PF.
Age thing I don't pay much mind to.. he's new to the NBA, had to bring over a wife and kids and deal with a hurricane. I don't think he's ready in many ways.
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[QUOTE=ChuckOakley]He doesn't rebound or play D well enough to get minutes. But its hard to judge him yet. He's new to the NBA and seemingly tried to bulk up which was a mistake as it affected his shot. He was originally going to get the full Mle but took the smaller one so the Nets could pursue Dwight, who he was ideally meant to be paired with. He shares the same American agent as D.Will, so there was an agenda. Also if the Nets didn't sign him the Cavs were ready to.
I'll wait until the end of the year to really form an opinion. But at the time the signing made sense as we didn't have a single PF under contract, even though it cost us GG.[/QUOTE]
Bulk up? Why in the hell would he need to bulk up? He was already about 260 pounds last year. Anyway, Teletovic can't play in any team with success unless he is allowed to shoot as much as he wants to.
That's just the reality of it. The guy has no conscience and will shoot it whenever he can, from any distance. You either let him do that, or you bench him. Pretty simple.
He can REALLY light it up on offense though when he is on. I mean REALLY light it up.
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[QUOTE=It's A VC3!!!]He was supposed to be our Steve Novak. So far Stack has taken that role and Mirza has been on the bench every game. Right now the Nets are winning so there's no reason to try and mesh him into the lineup. MarShon NEEDS to play and I'm not going to keep saying this crap every game. [B]Childress should never play[/B]. MarShon is losing confidence and this guy can be a key contributor for this team but he needs to play.[/QUOTE]
Josh Childress is easily one of the worst players I haver ever seen in the Euroleague or the NBA. It's unbelievable how good that guy's agent is.
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[QUOTE=ChuckOakley]Avery tried to give him a chance in pre-season, he just can't afford to lose games.
I don't think he's that soft or even that unathletic (I've seen some nice dunks), he just is slow and gained too much weight, where he's not carrying it well or shooting well.
I think he needs to be played at the 3 ideally.. Peja/Hedo/Novak style. He will get beat, but at least there will be another line of defense, as opposed to him being a PF.
Age thing I don't pay much mind to.. he's new to the NBA, had to bring over a wife and kids and deal with a hurricane. I don't think he's ready in many ways.[/QUOTE]
There is not a chance in hell that Teletovic can play at SF. None.
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[QUOTE=Euroleague]Josh Childress is easily one of the worst players I haver ever seen in the Euroleague or the NBA. It's unbelievable how good that guy's agent is.[/QUOTE]
Yes one of the worse players you have ever seen in Euroleague was selected to all-Euroleague 2nd team and was 2nd in scoring, tied for 2nd in rebounds, 3rd in assists, tied for 3rd in steals and tied for 1st in blocks on a team that made the Euroleague final.
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He needs some playing time, who can get used to the nba with dnp-cd's and 3 minutes a game. and no he didnt even get a chance in the preseason tbh as i kept an eye on those games. We'll see what happens with him, so far the nba has imprisoned him. However the comment above that said he needs to adjust to the way of life here thats a half true. He's from spain where i've stayed, yeah new york is bigger and he's probably never seen a hurricane but there are cities in spain that are just as fast paced. He'll be fine, def too soon to call a bust.
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[QUOTE=gabepizza]Yes one of the worse players you have ever seen in Euroleague was selected to all-Euroleague 2nd team and was 2nd in scoring, tied for 2nd in rebounds, 3rd in assists, tied for 3rd in steals and tied for 1st in blocks on a team that made the Euroleague final.[/QUOTE]
STFU you god damn troll.
Childress was an absolute JOKE with Olympiacos.
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[QUOTE=Euroleague]Bulk up? Why in the hell would he need to bulk up? He was already about 260 pounds last year. Anyway, Teletovic can't play in any team with success unless he is allowed to shoot as much as he wants to.
That's just the reality of it. The guy has no conscience and will shoot it whenever he can, from any distance. You either let him do that, or you bench him. Pretty simple.
He can REALLY light it up on offense though when he is on. I mean REALLY light it up.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, when he's on, he can win any game by himself, but you need to let him shoot.
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[QUOTE=Euroleague]STFU you god damn troll.
Childress was an absolute JOKE with Olympiacos.[/QUOTE]
Funny how this joke was 2nd in scoring, 2nd in rebounds and was selected to All-Euroleague 2nd team.
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He's played a grand total of 47 minutes this season, and not on anything resembling a regular schedule. Don't you think it might be just a tad early to call the guy a bust?
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[QUOTE=chains5000]Agreed, when he's on, he can win any game by himself, but you need to let him shoot.[/QUOTE]
chains can you tell this gabepizza nut to shut up about Childress. He has been claiming ever since he got here that Childress was one of the best players in Europe.
I'm sick of this guy's endless trolling here.
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[QUOTE=gabepizza]Funny how this joke was 2nd in scoring, 2nd in rebounds and was selected to All-Euroleague 2nd team.[/QUOTE]
Funny how he was NOT 2nd in scoring and he was NOT 2nd in rebounds, but you keep LYING and claiming that he was.
GTFO
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[QUOTE=ZHAKIDD532]He's played a grand total of 47 minutes this season, and not on anything resembling a regular schedule. Don't you think it might be just a tad early to call the guy a bust?[/QUOTE]
Not to NBA only fans. Rubio was god of Euroleague and guys like Teletovic, Maciauskas, Spanoulis were NBA busts without even getting a chance to play.
Welcome to the world of the NBA only fan, and how they "analyze" European players.
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[QUOTE=ZHAKIDD532]He's played a grand total of 47 minutes this season, and not on anything resembling a regular schedule. Don't you think it might be just a tad early to call the guy a bust?[/QUOTE]
What do you propose then, should we only have a discussion after the fact when everything is already clear? Like two years from now when Teletovic is gone from the NBA we all come together and say "Eh, that guy was not very good aye?"? ISH would be the most boring thing in the history of the internet if we did that.
This is the premise of the thread: Will he get better or not? Saying that we don't know what the future holds is a useless comment.
Signing Teletovic to so much money was a mistake. I have such a hard time to understand what is going on in the heads of the Nets management, because you really think they would analyse before they throw 15 million at a player what that player can bring to this team. I fail to see how Teletovic would improve the team even in the very best case scenario. Maybe for a team like the Bobcats trying to get a one dimensional scorer and hoping he pans out is a worthwhile gamble, but for the Nets? Just a terrible decision all around.
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[QUOTE=LJJ]Signing Teletovic to so much money was a mistake. I have such a hard time to understand what is going on in the heads of the Nets management, because you really think they would analyse before they throw 15 million at a player what that player can bring to this team. I fail to see how Teletovic would improve the team even in the very best case scenario. Maybe for a team like the Bobcats trying to get a one dimensional scorer and hoping he pans out is a worthwhile gamble, but for the Nets? Just a terrible decision all around.[/QUOTE]
I can't exactly remember when he got signed but, I guess they wanted to pair him with Howard, which could have worked.
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[QUOTE=LJJ]What do you propose then, should we only have a discussion after the fact when everything is already clear? Like two years from now when Teletovic is gone from the NBA we all come together and say "Eh, that guy was not very good aye?"? ISH would be the most boring thing in the history of the internet if we did that.
This is the premise of the thread: Will he get better or not? Saying that we don't know what the future holds is a useless comment.
Signing Teletovic to so much money was a mistake. I have such a hard time to understand what is going on in the heads of the Nets management, because you really think they would analyse before they throw 15 million at a player what that player can bring to this team. I fail to see how Teletovic would improve the team even in the very best case scenario. Maybe for a team like the Bobcats trying to get a one dimensional scorer and hoping he pans out is a worthwhile gamble, but for the Nets? Just a terrible decision all around.[/QUOTE]
Where are you getting this $15 million figure from? He does not make anything close to that.
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[QUOTE=Euroleague]Not to NBA only fans. Rubio was god of Euroleague and guys like Teletovic, Maciauskas, Spanoulis were NBA busts without even getting a chance to play.
Welcome to the world of the NBA only fan, and how they "analyze" European players.[/QUOTE]
Well, if they were any good wouldn't the coach play them?
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[QUOTE=Euroleague]Funny how he was NOT 2nd in scoring and he was NOT 2nd in rebounds, but you keep LYING and claiming that he was.
GTFO[/QUOTE]
2nd in scoring and rebounds for his team, not the whole league. Sorry if I didn't specify that. And it was on the team that made the Euroleague final. Here are the team stats of Olympiacos the year they made the Euroleague Final:
[url]http://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteamstats?clubcode=OLY&seasoncode=E2009[/url]
If you notice Childress is 2nd in scoring and in rebounding. So he was arguably the 2nd best player on arguably the 2nd best team. No wonder he was selected for all-Euroleague 2nd team that year.
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[QUOTE=gabepizza]2nd in scoring and rebounds for his team, not the whole league. Sorry if I didn't specify that. And it was on the team that made the Euroleague final. Here are the team stats of Olympiacos the year they made the Euroleague Final:
[url]http://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteamstats?clubcode=OLY&seasoncode=E2009[/url]
If you notice Childress is 2nd in scoring and in rebounding. So he was arguably the 2nd best player on arguably the 2nd best team. No wonder he was selected for all-Euroleague 2nd team that year.[/QUOTE]
You know what. I'm going to correct myself. Looking at those stats Childress is arguably the 3rd best player (after Kleiza and Teodosic) on the 2nd best team. Still that is far from "trash".
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[QUOTE=BlueCrayon]Well, if they were any good wouldn't the coach play them?[/QUOTE]
No.
Why the hell didn't Drazen Petrovic play?
It's been going on for many years in the NBA. American coaches have a bias against European players.
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[QUOTE=gabepizza]2nd in scoring and rebounds for his team, not the whole league. Sorry if I didn't specify that. And it was on the team that made the Euroleague final. Here are the team stats of Olympiacos the year they made the Euroleague Final:
[url]http://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteamstats?clubcode=OLY&seasoncode=E2009[/url]
If you notice Childress is 2nd in scoring and in rebounding. So he was arguably the 2nd best player on arguably the 2nd best team. No wonder he was selected for all-Euroleague 2nd team that year.[/QUOTE]
You are nuts.
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[QUOTE=Euroleague]No.
Why the hell didn't Drazen Petrovic play?
It's been going on for many years in the NBA. American coaches have a bias against European players.[/QUOTE]
Yeah Petrovic is good example. Thing is that some coaches tries European players for 5 minutes and then expects magic, if they don't see it they just bench them while those players were playing in the nba their first minutes ever and it's a different game from Europe. Good that Petrovic was smart enough to call out his coach so he got sent to another team where he got time to play and made his previous coach look retarded.
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[QUOTE=Euroleague]Josh Childress is easily one of the worst players I haver ever seen in the Euroleague or the NBA. It's unbelievable how good that guy's agent is.[/QUOTE]
He was one of the best player and 2nd team all star in Euroleague.
There is something seriously wrong with you. I have no idea what it is, but I seriously think you're a crazy person.
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[QUOTE=Euroleague]No.
Why the hell didn't Drazen Petrovic play?
It's been going on for many years in the NBA. American coaches have a bias against European players.[/QUOTE]
Drazen was in a bad situation and he eventually did get to play when he got to the Nets. If coaches have a bias against European players, can you explain why Dragic is a starter and Valanciunas and Prigioni among others get consistent minutes? Also, these coaches see their players in practice everyday. I am pretty sure that if the guy was any good both the players and coaches would recognize it. Even if the coach doesn't play them, at least one of the players would speak out about it.
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[QUOTE=Nash]He was one of the best player and 2nd team all star in Euroleague.
There is something seriously wrong with you. I have no idea what it is, but I seriously think you're a crazy person.[/QUOTE]
Josh Childress sucked totally the whole time he was in Euroleague. If you claim otherwise, you either never saw him play in Euroleague, or you are just a complete liar.
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[QUOTE=BlueCrayon]Drazen was in a bad situation and he eventually did get to play when he got to the Nets. If coaches have a bias against European players, can you explain why Dragic is a starter and Valanciunas and [B]Prigioni[/B] among others get consistent minutes? [B]Also, these coaches see their players in practice everyday. I am pretty sure that if the guy was any good both the players and coaches would recognize it.[/B] Even if the coach doesn't play them, at least one of the players would speak out about it.[/QUOTE]
Numerous European players got benched for no reason.
Drazen Petrovic (by the Blazers)
Vassilis Spanouluis (by the Rockets)
Sarunas Jasikevicius (by the Warriors)
Arvydas Macijauskas (by the Hornets)
etc. There are more but these are the most blatant examples.
There is simply no reason for them to have been benched, other than a bias against them because they were European.
BTW, NBA has no bias against Argentine players.
NBA teams only practice about 2-5 times a month.
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[QUOTE=Euroleague]Numerous European players got benched for no reason.
Vassilis Spanouluis (by the Rockets)
Sarunas Jasikevicius (by the Warriors)
Arvydas Macijauskas (by the Hornets)
There is simply no reason for them to have been benched, other than a bias against them because they were European.
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[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=L1kOu5kG-lk[/url]
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[QUOTE=Euroleague]Josh Childress sucked totally the whole time he was in Euroleague. If you claim otherwise, you either never saw him play in Euroleague, or you are just a complete liar.[/QUOTE]
How come he was 2nd Euroleague team and averaged 2nd highest ppg for the Euroleague champs after another average NBA player in Kleiza? What this tells me is that you can win the Euroleague with guys like Kleiza and Childress being your highest and 2nd highest scorers.
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[QUOTE=Euroleague]Josh Childress sucked totally the whole time he was in Euroleague. If you claim otherwise, you either never saw him play in Euroleague, or you are just a complete liar.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteamstats?clubcode=OLY&seasoncode=E2009[/url]
Everytime you post that lie I'm just going to post the link that shows he was 2nd in scoring, 2nd in rebounds and tied for 1st in blocks on the team that made it to the final Euroleague championship game. Not to mention being selected to all-Euroleague 2nd team....you welcome.
[url]http://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteamstats?clubcode=OLY&seasoncode=E2009[/url]
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[QUOTE=Euroleague]Numerous European players got benched for no reason.
Drazen Petrovic (by the Blazers)
Vassilis Spanouluis (by the Rockets)
Sarunas Jasikevicius (by the Warriors)
Arvydas Macijauskas (by the Hornets)
etc. There are more but these are the most blatant examples.
There is simply no reason for them to have been benched, other than a bias against them because they were European.
BTW, NBA has no bias against Argentine players.
NBA teams only practice about 2-5 times a month.[/QUOTE]
You are ignoring all my points... Drazen was benched because he was in a bad situation being put on a team with Clyde Drexler and Terry Porter, two established guards who would eventually make the finals. Also, why does the NBA conveniently not have a bias against Argentine players?
Also like I said, the coaches and players would know if the guy was any good since they are basically always around them.
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[QUOTE=Nash]How come he was 2nd Euroleague team and averaged 2nd highest ppg for the Euroleague champs after another average NBA player in Kleiza? What this tells me is that you can win the Euroleague with guys like Kleiza and Childress being your highest and 2nd highest scorers.[/QUOTE]
How come he didn't win the Euroleague title but you claim he did?
How come you claim a POS player was good?
How come you are a dumb ass?
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[QUOTE=gabepizza][url]http://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteamstats?clubcode=OLY&seasoncode=E2009[/url]
Everytime you post that lie I'm just going to post the link that shows he was 2nd in scoring, 2nd in rebounds and tied for 1st in blocks on the team that made it to the final Euroleague championship game. Not to mention being selected to all-Euroleague 2nd team....you welcome.
[url]http://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteamstats?clubcode=OLY&seasoncode=E2009[/url][/QUOTE]
You actually said that Childress was better than guys like Nikola Vujcic, Ioannis Bourousis, Yotam Halperin, Big Sofo, Theo Papaloukas, Loukas Mavrokefalidis, Patrick Beverly, Panos Vasilopoulos..........
I won't mention Sloukas and Papanikolaou because they were just kids then. But jessuz h christ saying Childress was better than those other players.
You actually freaking said Childress was better than those other players.....
:lol :oldlol: :roll: :rolleyes: :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
You are the dumbest mofo in the history of this forum.
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[QUOTE=BlueCrayon]You are ignoring all my points... Drazen was benched because he was in a bad situation being put on a team with Clyde Drexler and Terry Porter, two established guards who would eventually make the finals. Also, why does the NBA conveniently not have a bias against Argentine players?
Also like I said, the coaches and players would know if the guy was any good since they are basically always around them.[/QUOTE]
You are a douche bag.
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[QUOTE=Nash]How come he was 2nd Euroleague team and averaged 2nd highest ppg for the Euroleague champs after another average NBA player in Kleiza? What this tells me is that you can win the Euroleague with guys like Kleiza and Childress being your highest and 2nd highest scorers.[/QUOTE]
Childress and Kleiza were stud in Euroleague.:bowdown:
They led their team to Euroleague final:oldlol:
Just like Kirilienko and Krstic did:roll: