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Say you're in a 3-man fight to the death. The fight takes place in a small-ish area (say 50x50 feet, and you're caged in), relatively featureless (i.e. no room for cover). Your opponents are two individuals of similar size/build to yourself.
You get to choose your weapon first, any of the three in the title (knife, 3-foot lead pipe, pistol with 1 bullet). What's your selection, and why?
how big is the knife?
Either way I'm leaning towards the pipe
[QUOTE=B-Low]how big is the knife?
Either way I'm leaning towards the pipe[/QUOTE]
However big you want it to be, within reason.
I'd go with the knife. IMO its capable to deliver most damge of the 3 options.
I want this knife. Or Wolverine claws. Otherwise I'll take the pipe
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I'd take the knife and hope the guy with the gun shoots and kills the guy with the pipe
The winner will be whoever doesn't get shot. Unless the shooter is adept at pistol whipping someone with a pipe or knife.
The correct answer is gun...
Shoot the man with the knife...take the knife...stab the man with the pipe
[QUOTE=DeuceWallaces]The winner will be whoever doesn't get shot. Unless the shooter is adept at pistol whipping someone with a pipe or knife.[/QUOTE]
Or unless the shooter has the brains to simply pick up the weapon of the man he just shot
do the other two know I only have one bullet?
[QUOTE=Stuckey]do the other two know I only have one bullet?[/QUOTE]
Yes, but that's an interesting alternative. I guess answer both.
Also if you take the gun you might be lucky enough to have the other two fight it out first...leaving one dead, then it is just you vs. the winner, and you have the gun.
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]The correct answer is gun...
Shoot the man with the knife...take the knife...stab the man with the pipe[/QUOTE]
"FALSE. Correct answer: wait until both men are lined up perfectly. THEN, aim gun at opponent #1's skull. The lone bullet will pass thru said skull and connect with opponent #2's skull. Both men are dead. I win."
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I would probably choose the pipe, because I feel that the guy with the knife is most likely getting shot anyway. Or choose the gun, shoot the guy with the knife, and take my chance against the guy with the pipe.
Pipe.
You can use agility and keep strafing left and right and beckoning the guy to shoot. If he doesn't shoot chuck the pipe right at his fukking head and in that brief moment of time grab his wrist and use up the bullets then it's even.
Pipe will fukk up knife, even a strong kick would displace the guy.
Well, that is still the same answer as mine B-Low...you take the gun first
Gimme just any traditionally forged nihinto tamahagane 2048 layer handfolded steel blade by a Japanese master swordsmith... and we are ready to go... around knife size, i guess ill go with a "Wakizashi" then:
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Look at that tamahagane steel carefully...............
dont know how good your forging metal process knowledge is but let me just say this baby with correct technique will amputate anything standing in its way and it wont break/chip either....
STRATEGY:
Easy.... I will just try and let the pipe guy draw the bullet guys attention, the pipe guy will be a guaranteed 1st goner and the survivor now armed with only bone & flesh.......... easy work... how many slices of human cheese do you want?
If that doesnt go then i can just pray the bullet doesnt hit me and if it does then i hope it hits me somewhere so i could be vital enough to continue the fight.......... the bullet guy is now a guaranteed 1st goner, the poor Pipe guy will be in trouble, a pipe sure wont break a Wakizashi block/parry (the steel is impossible to break, its kindof elastic aswell).... and then lets just say that one attack from a Wakizashi will cause much more damage, thats an understatement...... unless the pipe guys first attack is a lucky & perfect hit to my temple (that wont happen) he aint living to see another day..... then i just I walk away, maybe with a bruise and at the worst maybe with a bullet wound which i will take care of later... :)
Way of the samurai!
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]The correct answer is gun...
Shoot the man with the knife...take the knife...stab the man with the pipe[/QUOTE]
The guy with the pipe isn't going to allow you to pick up the knife at that point. Once you shoot, he's going to pounce on that ass.
Are there more conditions to this scenario? How far apart do you start? Who are the other two guys? Do the other two guys know the conditions of the deathmatch or are they left blind about it?
Haha pauk u wouldn't stand a chance with a fukkin poisonous blowdart fresh from Ace Ventura when nature calls.
ANd don't get me started on shuriken
Pipe. It would be incredibly difficult to hit a moving person with 1 bullet, and even if you do manage to get 1 guy the other dude has a huge advantage over you. The range of a pipe beats the knife any day.
[QUOTE=Is He Ill]The guy with the pipe isn't going to allow you to pick up the knife at that point. Once you shoot, he's going to pounce on that ass.[/QUOTE]
You can home him back with the gun, before you shoot
Whoever you shoot, do so while you're the closest to him so that you can take his weapon
Also a knife or shank is usually more effective than a pipe or bat...ask jail inmates, or look at murder stats of blade vs object
It is gun...shoot man with knife...take knife...guard your head and stab away
You people who say pipe, you better PRAY you kill the knife guy with your first and only hit....... and you know perfectly well that wont happen....
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]Also a knife or shank is usually more effective than a pipe or bat...ask jail inmates, or look at murder stats of blade vs object
It is gun...shoot man with knife...take knife...guard your head and stab away[/QUOTE]
Pipe man is holding 36" of long, hard, cold steel bro. That's baseball bat-esque.
He can literally fall to the ground, ROLL quickly, and SMASH the back of your kneecaps forcing gunman or knifeman to lose the balance thus leaving him vulnerable for the beatdown.
If knifeman sprints full force at pipeman, pipe can do a front barrel kick. Distance is huge man. And if pipeman gets first hit in knifeman can and will be disoriented. Unless..
Think of the kind of karate stances they have available to protecting your vitals. Your heart, carotid artery, stomach, etc. wil be protected if you have an exagerrated front stance low to the ground and have your steel bar extended.
pauk u better pray you hit a vital because if you stab pipeman in the leg or shoulder or arm... Lol. And he retaliates with a nice swing right to the temple.
[QUOTE=ballup]Are there more conditions to this scenario? How far apart do you start? Who are the other two guys? Do the other two guys know the conditions of the deathmatch or are they left blind about it?[/QUOTE]
Hmmm...
All three of you have the same knowledge. The other two guys are random strangers, with the same size/build as you (as for mentality, it's an unknown in this scenario).
As for how far apart are you guys at the start, my preference would be all three will be equidistant, though I guess a square makes this ideal. Since it's 50x50 feet, I guess you'll be at least 25 feet from each other to start (let's say each of you is exactly 25 feet from the other two for simplicity, centered around the middle of the caged area).
[QUOTE=pauk]You people who say pipe, you better PRAY you kill the knife guy with your first and only hit....... and you know perfectly well that wont happen....[/QUOTE]
You watch too many movies. If I hit you with a lead pipe anywhere on your body you are going down. You aren't going to block it with your arm and stab me or some shit, it's going to shatter your arm and you're going to drop like a bitch.
[QUOTE=-p.tiddy-]Also a knife or shank is usually more effective than a pipe or bat...ask jail inmates, or look at murder stats of blade vs object
It is gun...shoot man with knife...take knife...guard your head and stab away[/QUOTE]
You would have to hit the guy right through the brain, neck or heart with hat bullet or your plan isn't working. That's tough when everyone's scrambling in a small space. If you hit him in the gut or any non fatal place he's dropping and curling up with the weapon still in his hands. You'll get pummeled while reaching.
Even if you do manage to get him to drop the knife with a good shot, you'll have to run over to the knife and bend down to get it while the other guy with the pipe springs at you swinging at your head or knees or spine whichever is vulnerable(you'll only have one hand to cover up while you reach). I'd rather get stabbed once or twice in the back than get rendered unable to move for a second or two from the blunt force shock of a pipe. You'd get beat down without getting a single lick.
Pipe would win..
[QUOTE=bmulls]You watch too many movies. If I hit you with a lead pipe anywhere on your body you are going down. You aren't going to block it with your arm and stab me or some shit, it's going to shatter your arm and you're going to drop like a bitch.[/QUOTE]
This. The guy with the knife stands very little chance against the three foot lead pipe. The pipe is actually the most balanced weapon out of the three imo.
If you had the gun, pretty easy to get another weapon if one charges at you, but difficult if both do it at the same time. Shoot too early and you can miss, leaving you with a gun that can only serve as a crappy shield or a blunt weapon. Best to wait for a person to come at you, but it'll be a 1v1 afterwards.
If you have the knife or the pipe, going after the gun guy would most likely end up in you getting shot. Aside from that, the dude with the other melee weapon would turn on you when you make impact with the gun guy. If you go after the other melee weapon carrier, you'd be easy pickings for the gun guy as you'd be likely tired or too distracted to dodge the bullet. You can't guarantee the gun guy won't just try to shoot one of you immediately.
Or you can guarantee a least painful death by choosing the gun and opting to shoot yourself.
Best option would be the gun, hope that the guy with the pipe goes for you and kill him to take his pipe. The pipe has more range than the knife and is much easier to take because the handle is on both ends unlike the knife. It won't be pretty or success won't be guaranteed, but plan wise, this has the least amount of openings.
You never bring a knife to a gun fight. Only a single bullet, that's OK, no problem. I'd just pull out a couple of DOUBLE-A batteries and insert them into the chamber. Then just point and pull the trigger. I'm talkin' some Duracell over[I]kill[/I] type shieeeeeeeeet.
[QUOTE=bmulls]You watch too many movies. If I hit you with a lead pipe anywhere on your body you are going down. You aren't going to block it with your arm and stab me or some shit, it's going to shatter your arm and you're going to drop like a bitch.[/QUOTE]
You dont know what you are talking about my man.... A pipe is a blunt object and you will get only one strike to determine whether your opponent can endure that hit and proceed to inevitably file you like a fish or if he will immediately go down "like a bitch".... i have been accidentaly hit by such objects in my time.... it hurts very much, but thats it, it most certainly wont stop you especially with all that assumed adrenaline flowing thru your body in such a life-death situation......... and it wont shatter anybodys arm unless you perfectly with tremendous force diagonally/vertically smash the pipe into the centre of the guys ulnar/radius bones in his arm (which he will have to hold horizontally for you).......... and that either isnt a guarantee, even if it does get shattered you stand zero chance (unless that knife guy is truly a bitch)........
Now, i dont need to tell you what a BLADE can do with one strike to anywhere on the human body compared to a Pipe..... especially a Wakizashi.... do i? That i havent been accidentaly hit by.... and i dont want to find out...
The only time a guy will "drop like a bitch" from a Pipe is if he is unarmed, then he is forced to do that or if he is armed (with a knife or gun or a pipe himself) then you most likely hit him on the head....... and that will in this case be the only way for you to drop somebody holding such a Blade (or better yet a Handgun) like a bitch...... and that wont happen unless the knife guy you are attacking is an imbecille, i assume he would know how to use his of hand for you to strike while he sticks that blade so far up your intestines you will begin to see your angel wings immediately............ a knife is also much more faster and more maneuverable of a weapon...
[QUOTE=pauk][B]You dont know what you are talking about my man.... A pipe is a blunt object and you will get only one strike to determine whether your opponent can endure that hit and proceed to inevitably file you like a fish or if he will immediately go down "like a bitch".... i have been accidentaly hit by such objects in my time.... it hurts very much, but thats it, it most certainly wont stop you[/B] especially with all that assumed adrenaline flowing thru your body in such a life-death situation......... and it wont shatter anybodys arm unless you perfectly with tremendous force diagonally/vertically smash the pipe into the centre of the guys ulnar/radius bones in his arm (which he will have to hold horizontally for you).......... and that either isnt a guarantee, even if it does get shattered you stand zero chance (unless that knife guy is truly a bitch)........
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Come on man, if you get hit with a lead pipe, especially in say the head or a lucky strike that breaks for example an arm or leg, you're not going to be right back up with all that, with this "adrenaline flowing" like dude is coke'd up or some shit. LOL. I think the dude you quoted who said you watch too many movies was pretty much on point. You're probably quite young and play too many video games. Enough to the point you have difficulty distinguishing the difference between fantasy and reality.
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I've blocked a wooden baseball bat with my forearm before and as much as if Fukkin killed and bruised my bone, I don't see how a pipe is all that different, a huge knife is much harder to parry. Ill take the knife any day, especially if you get into his arms reach, the pipe becomes obsolete, if you both end up on the floor, wrestling, much easier to stab or cut than to swing....
As far as the pistol, it better be a goddamn magnum with a 44 caliber at least...if I had it, I would keep my distance and order the other two to fight to the death, before I take the winner out
[QUOTE=Legend of Josh]:oldlol:
Come on man, if you get hit with a lead pipe, especially in say the head or a lucky strike that breaks for example an arm or leg, you're not going to be right back up with all that, with this "adrenaline flowing" like dude is coke'd up or some shit. LOL. I think the dude you quoted who said you watch too many movies was pretty much on point. You're probably quite young and play too many video games. Enough to the point you have difficulty distinguishing the difference between fantasy and reality.
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A knife is much more faster & maneuverable.... can be used to kill you either from millimeter distance or further away, you will be able to move and manuever not only that weapon better but also yourself, there is so many ways for you to attack and every single attack/stab does much more damage...... Using a pipe you are extremly one dimensional & limited for doing vulnerable attacks because the opponent needs to be at one specific distance only and because it is a blunt you need to hit him only where it truly shuts him down (hoping that any hit on him anywhere will drop him is just a life ending risk)..... Using a knife you will always be deadly..... imagine the knife guy latching on to you, what will you do now? You certainly wont be able to hit him with a pipe from that distance/situation (not vulnerably), even if he doesnt attack you there he is at no danger....... but you are... at all times...
I have watched many movies.... and in none of them have i seen a guy with a blade lose to a somebody with a cro-magnon blunt object indeed.... but its also reality unfortunately...
You are a smart guy Legends of Josh, but on this one you need to trust me... i love movies & video games indeed, but i am not as young as you think and my sources as a martial artist far exceeds the facts i get from watching movies or playing games...
The person with the gun is very likely to miss. Most people aren't marksmen. I'd take the pipe. It has the better reach than the knife, and should fell either foe with one blow.
I'll take my fist over all three weapons.
The bat/pipe has the advantage on the outside but once you get within range the fight is over and to get to that range is much more easier than for the Pipe guy to keep you at one specific distance. Then it will be a grappling match, one holding a knife and one most probably being forced to throw his pipe away and defend himself with nothing but skin, flesh and bones....... If you shoot in they have basically one lucky swing to stop you before you get through the range. But just in case, fake high to get them to commit to a swing and then shoot for a takedown Royce Gracie style. Once you have a hold of them its over... cut hamstrings/puncture chest cavity/slash throats as necessary. Worst case scenario you eat a shot from the bat but if it's accurate enough to hit you on the level change it won't be powerful enough to knock you out......
Now, if the pipe/bat was a sword then its a different story, that hit you wont be able to shrug of at all no matter where it lands... hell you can just point it right out and run straight towards the guy with the knife... :P
"I got a knife and the knife is sharp"
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"I got a pipe!"
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