Michael Jordan WON a championship by himself. Many are just Ignorant about it on ISH

team defense dude. yes jordan was by far the best player by then in the game, but team defense involves more than 1 guy. i dont care if he was defensive player of the year, mvp, horseradish of the year, basketball means you win with good role play from the rest of your team. this is no slight to him, believe that.

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]This is The Kind of Crap I Had to Put Up With In the 90s while Not Being a Jordan Fan :facepalm :rolleyes: . What Where Pippen`s Numbers In the 1991 Finals? Especially Would Like to See Those In Game 5....Someone?[/B][/QUOTE]

:facepalm :facepalm

How about Game 1. when Bulls went down 0-1

How about Game 3 OT numbers as MJ took over

Game 5 isn't the only game of NBA Finals.

reality is Pippen didnt mature into an all-star till age 26 in 1992.

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]:oldlol: Nice Try :facepalm :rolleyes:

Barkley Never Said What You Say About Pippen. Bull. He Actually Said Jordan Was Lucky to Play With Pippen in His Prime, as Well as Grant and Rodman!. Jordan had 2 All Stars Back Him Up In Their Primes and His Prime His Whole Career.

Pippen Became an All Star in 1990 In Case You Forgot and He Helped Jordan Win a Ring by Guarding Drexler and Magic the Best. out of those 1st Two Rings.

He Was the Best Defender in the Bulls by Far and The Best Perimeter Defender in the League.

He Had More Responsabilities than Jordan because He Was the Point-Forward Under a Trinagle that Diminished His Stats. He Had To Do More Stuff than Just Score. Create and Be the Best Defender in the Team is Something That Usually is Given to 2 Different Players, Yet Pippen Had No Problem With That and Did Both Jobs at a Great Level ( Not to Mention, Rebound, Score, Team Defend etc)

He Had To Create (Something Jordan finally Accepted since Phil Was Trying to Make Jordan Understand This and Finally It Happened), Be the 2nd Lead Scorer, Be The 2nd Lead Rebounder, Be The Best Defender, Be The Best Team Defender and Play as a Teamate More than a Star.

Pippen`s 1991 Stats while Being the Best Individual Defender For Those Play-Offs and Finals (Defensive Rating Agrees): 20.8 PPG (45.3% FG), 9.4 RPG, 6.6 APG, 2.4 SPG and 1.0 BPG.

If Those are Not All Star Level Stats Then What Are? [/B][/QUOTE]

[B][SIZE="3"]EPIC FAIL. [/SIZE][/B]

1991 NBA all-defensive [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]FIRST[/COLOR][/B] team: MICHAEL JORDAN.
1991 NBA all-defensive [B][COLOR="Navy"]SECOND[/COLOR][/B] team: SCOTTIE PIPPEN.

OVERRATED Pippen could not even get to all-defensive first team in 1991 by age 25. It took him another year.

[B]Barkley is full of cr@@p as usual. over crediting pippen to deliberately undermine MJ.[/B]

OP is so ****ing ignorant..

Nobody can win by himself even the Great Black Mamba needed a soft Power Forward, injury prone center and a worst starting PG in the league in order for him to win back 2 back title.. If Kobe cant win by himself then theres no way Jordan could..

[QUOTE=KOBE143]OP is so ****ing ignorant..

Nobody can win by himself even the Great Black Mamba needed a soft Power Forward, injury prone center and a worst starting PG in the league in order for him to win back 2 back title.. [B]If Kobe cant win by himself then theres no way Jordan could..[/B][/QUOTE]

damb phakkot

Cheap Copy Cryant as a lone all-star on LAL in 2006 season could not even make it to Playoffs live alone winning a PO series by himself.

Only thing this trash is good for is licking MJ's black mamba.

[QUOTE=KOBE143]OP is so ****ing ignorant..

Nobody can win by himself even the Great Black Mamba needed a soft Power Forward, injury prone center and a worst starting PG in the league in order for him to win back 2 back title.. If Kobe cant win by himself then theres no way Jordan could..[/QUOTE]

repped :applause:

Good lord you make Jordan fans look bad.

Is this how Laker fans feel after a post from the usual Kobe stan suspects?

[QUOTE=Round Mound]
Pippen Became an All Star in 1990 In Case You Forgot and He Helped Jordan Win a Ring by Guarding Drexler and Magic the Best. out of those 1st Two Rings.[/quote]

Jordan guarded Drexler the majority of the time in the '92 Finals, not Pippen.

[quote]He Was the Best Defender in the Bulls by Far and The Best Perimeter Defender in the League.[/quote]

Not prior to Jordan's retirement he wasn't. Jordan was the best defender on the early 90's Bulls.

[quote]Create and Be the Best Defender in the Team is Something That Usually is Given to 2 Different Players, Yet Pippen Had No Problem With That and Did Both Jobs at a Great Level ( Not to Mention, Rebound, Score, Team Defend etc)[/quote]

That's funny, because Jordan was a better creator than Pippen and a better defender. And he rebounded at an elite level for a guard. And was an all-time level scorer.

[QUOTE=Leviathon1121]Good lord you make Jordan fans look bad.

Is this how Laker fans feel after a post from the usual Kobe stan suspects?[/QUOTE]

my fav player is Clyde btw.

my fav teams in 1990s were portland & NYK btw. I hated the bulls.

Just the reality check. MJ won hist 1st with pippen still hasnt become an all-star till next year.

plain & simple.

so this garbage logic about MJ won jack shittee till pippen became Bull is illogical.

[B]1991 Pippen could easily be replaced by another 1991 non-allstar Horace Grant-like player a.k.a. Oakley & MJ will still beat LAL in 6 games.

thats my point.[/B]

:facepalm So because Pippen wasn't an All Star in 1991 ( even though he was the year before) he's automatically a distant barely effective role player (as you suggest) even though he averaged 17 PPG, 7 RPG, and 6 APG during that season and 21 PPG, 9 RPG, 5 APG during the playoffs.

[QUOTE=AlexanderRight]:facepalm So because Pippen wasn't an All Star in 1991 ( even though he was the year before) he's automatically a distant barely effective role player (as you suggest) even though he averaged 17 PPG, 7 RPG, and 6 APG during that season and 21 PPG, 9 RPG, 5 APG during the playoffs.[/QUOTE]

Yes. totally!!

Just look at Kobe to Shaq

Just look at Wade to LBJ

a 24 yrs old 1990 all-star reserve MUST become a 25 yrs old all-star STARTER if not hold that RESERVE spot if injury is not an issue.

Otherwise,

It shows Pippen declined into a NON-allstar Horace Grant in the following year.

[QUOTE=gengiskhan][B][SIZE="3"]EPIC FAIL. [/SIZE][/B]

1991 NBA all-defensive [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]FIRST[/COLOR][/B] team: MICHAEL JORDAN.
1991 NBA all-defensive [B][COLOR="Navy"]SECOND[/COLOR][/B] team: SCOTTIE PIPPEN.

OVERRATED Pippen could not even get to all-defensive first team in 1991 by age 25. It took him another year.

[B]Barkley is full of cr@@p as usual. over crediting pippen to deliberately undermine MJ.[/B][/QUOTE]

[B]Do You Think I Go By Votes and Selections? Save That to the Media and Dumb Fans...I Actually Watchted Those 1991 NBA Finals Myself LIVE and Pippen Was the Best Defender. Jordan Was Also a Monster Defender But So Was Pippen, The Best Defender in the Bulls... Statistically It Also Prooven that Pippen Was the Best Bulls Defender:


[U]NBA & ABA Year-by-Year Playoff Leaders and Records for Defensive Rating[/U]

Year Lg Player DRtg Tm
2012 NBA Josh Smith 93.20 ATL
2011 NBA Dwight Howard 95.73 ORL
2010 NBA Dwight Howard 92.98 ORL
2009 NBA Dwight Howard 98.35 ORL
2008 NBA Tim Duncan 98.51 SAS
2007 NBA Jason Kidd 94.63 NJN
2006 NBA Alonzo Mourning 95.13 MIA
2005 NBA Ben Wallace 93.48 DET
2004 NBA Ben Wallace 83.91 DET
2003 NBA Ben Wallace 90.51 DET
2002 NBA Ben Wallace 86.41 DET
2001 NBA David Robinson* 92.42 SAS
2000 NBA David Robinson* 84.01 SAS
1999 NBA David Robinson* 87.33 SAS
1998 NBA David Robinson* 93.42 SAS
1997 NBA Alonzo Mourning 94.64 MIA
[COLOR="red"][SIZE="3"]1996 NBA Scottie Pippen* 96.07 CHI [/SIZE][/COLOR]
1995 NBA David Robinson* 97.53 SAS
1994 NBA Patrick Ewing* 94.34 NYK
1993 NBA Hakeem Olajuwon* 96.56 HOU
1992 NBA Dennis Rodman* 99.35 DET
[SIZE="3"][COLOR="red"]1991 NBA Scottie Pippen* 99.52 CHI[/COLOR][/SIZE]
1990 NBA Bill Laimbeer 96.32 DET
1989 NBA Dennis Rodman* 99.38 DET
1988 NBA Bill Laimbeer 99.51 DET
1987 NBA Hakeem Olajuwon* 102.24 HOU
1986 NBA Bill Walton* 100.62 BOS
1985 NBA Ralph Sampson* 97.16 HOU
1984 NBA Buck Williams 99.41 NJN
1983 NBA Moses Malone* 95.76 PHI
1982 NBA Larry Bird* 94.21 BOS
1981 NBA Truck Robinson 94.51 PHO
1980 NBA Larry Bird* 95.93 BOS
1979 NBA Gar Heard 90.53 PHO
1978 NBA Caldwell Jones 93.56 PHI
1977 NBA Bill Walton* 89.53 POR
1976 NBA Elvin Hayes* 88.11 WSB
ABA Mike Gale 100.65 SAA
1975 NBA George Johnson 87.05 GSW
ABA Artis Gilmore* 95.43 KEN
1974 NBA Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 89.90 MIL
ABA Wendell Ladner 88.92 NYA

The Only Modern SF To Ever Lead the League In Defensive Rating: The Rest Are All Big Men:

[U]Defensive Rating[/U]

1990-91 NBA 101.7 (8)
1991-92 NBA 102.2 (8)
1993-94 NBA 96.9 (7)
[SIZE="3"][COLOR="Red"]1994-95 NBA 98.3 (1)[/COLOR][/SIZE]
1995-96 NBA 100.7 (10)

[U]With Jordan Out a Constant Top 7-4 Best Player in the Game[/U]

[U]Player Efficiency Rating[/U]

1993-94 NBA 23.2 (4)
1994-95 NBA 22.6 (7)[/B]

[QUOTE=gengiskhan]Yes. totally!!

Just look at Kobe to Shaq

Just look at Wade to LBJ

a 24 yrs old 1990 all-star reserve MUST become a 25 yrs old all-star STARTER if not hold that RESERVE spot if injury is not an issue.

Otherwise,

It shows Pippen declined into a NON-allstar Horace Grant in the following year.[/QUOTE]
Holy fcuk! :roll: Just cause he wasn't an all star doesn't mean he's only as effective as Horrace Grant. I hope to god you are trolling.

[QUOTE=AlexanderRight]Holy fcuk! :roll: Just cause he wasn't an all star doesn't mean he's only as effective as Horrace Grant. I hope to god you are trolling.[/QUOTE]

Pippen learning curve as many think is not constantly UPWARDS in reality.

[B]1990[/B] all star reserve...shows promise of becoming a very good SUPPORT player.
[B]1991[/B]. [U]regressed ![/U]
[B]1992[/B]. all-star STARTER. coming of age. Becomes top 5 NBA players.
[B]1993.[/B] [U]regressed STATs wise regular season.[/U]
[B]1994.[/B] Best season STATs & MVP voting & DPOY voting
[B]1995.[/B] [U]Regressed AGAIN stats. Poor leadership. Bulls a .500 team[/U] MJ CAME BACK & everything is forgotten.

[QUOTE=kmartshopper]And so it begins. The great shitstorm of our time.[/QUOTE]


FUKIN LOL :roll: