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All Net 05-26-2012 11:13 AM

Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
If the Thunder do lose this year to the Spurs or even in the finals what are your expections of them moving forward. Their main core of Durant, Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka are all under 24-25.

They have improved each season they have been in the league with Westbrook developing his game as a top 10 player really this season. Should next year be the time for them to be expected to win it all? With Spurs main guys like Duncan and Manu getting older and them having decisions to make in free-agency with Diaw, Green and even Duncan.

Wade is 30 and not getting any younger, Rose will be pretty much be out most of next year.

Do you expect OKC to be the favourite now if they do add a piece or two in free-agency like a post player or another shooter off the bench?

Eat Like A Bosh 05-26-2012 11:22 AM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
Even with their current core, they are still contenders. Right now if it weren't for the resurgent Spurs, Duncan's fountain of youth and the brilliant Pop, the Thunder would've been the favorites.

Main concern is whether or not they can retain both Harden and Ibaka. Chances are they're gonna ask for more.

nightprowler10 05-26-2012 11:28 AM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
Will they be able to keep Harden?

All Net 05-26-2012 11:29 AM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nightprowler10
Will they be able to keep Harden?


Think they will but they won't need to seriously worry until next summer.

KG215 05-26-2012 11:31 AM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
It really depends on what other teams like the Heat and Lakers do. Dallas could make some big moves, too. Next year, though, we'll still have all four of Westbrook, Durant, Harden, and Ibaka. If Ibaka's offensive game improves, and Durant and Westbrook are even better, then I would have to think we'd be the favorites in the West unless the Spurs retain everyone and their big three stay healthy.

It's A VC3!!! 05-26-2012 11:35 AM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
If they keep the four-headed beast of Westbrook,Durant,Ibaka, and Harden, they will make it to the Finals for the next 6-8 years.

They will either play the Nets, or the Heat.:cheers:


Quote:

Originally Posted by nightprowler10
Will they be able to keep Harden?


They will have to amnesty Perkins and get rid of Cook. Those moves will be done to offer Harden the contract he deserves.

ProfessorMurder 05-26-2012 11:38 AM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
If they keep their core, stay healthy, and continue filling in pieces here and there, they'll be perennial contenders with at least 2 championships over the next 8 years.

KG215 05-26-2012 11:46 AM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
I think we need to add another bench scorer or two including one frontcourt player who's an offensive threat. Oh, and a better back-up PG. Losing Maynor this year really hurt more than the casual fan would know.

Odinn 05-26-2012 11:55 AM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
Aside from keeping Harden or Ibaka, their main trouble is not having a low-post scorer imo. They should get a low-post scorer.

It's A VC3!!! 05-26-2012 12:00 PM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Odinn
Aside from keeping Harden or Ibaka, their main trouble is not having a low-post scorer imo. They should get a low-post scorer.


No they don't.

They already have Westbrook, Durant, and Harden who share the ball throught an entire game. Role players such as Ibaka, Mayor, and Sefelosha have the ball for the remaining time. Have a low post threat is the worst thing the Thunder can have because if you are feeding a low post player, that means that the big 3 isn't touching the ball at all. And you clearly don't want that. A tyson Chandler type player is what the Thunder need and they already have that in Perkins.

Odinn 05-26-2012 12:03 PM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by It's A VC3!!!
No they don't.

They already have Westbrook, Durant, and Harden who share the ball throught an entire game. Role players such as Ibaka, Mayor, and Sefelosha have the ball for the remaining time. Have a low post threat is the worst thing the Thunder can have because if you are feeding a low post player, that means that the big 3 isn't touching the ball at all. And you clearly don't want that. A tyson Chandler type player is what the Thunder need and they already have that in Perkins.

Let me know when was the last time a team without a low-post scorer won the title...:facepalm

It's A VC3!!! 05-26-2012 12:03 PM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Odinn
Let me know when was the last time a team without a low-post scorer won the title...:facepalm


Last year.

/END THREAD


The Heat and Thunder don't have a low post presence either.

Guess What?

They are both championship level teams.

Odinn 05-26-2012 12:05 PM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by It's A VC3!!!
Last year.

/END THREAD

You're a proven idiot sir.:roll: :roll: :roll:

It's A VC3!!! 05-26-2012 12:09 PM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Odinn
You're a proven idiot sir.:roll: :roll: :roll:


Your saying that the Mavericks had a low post scorer last year?

Do you ****ing watch basketball moron.

Every point Tyson Chandler scored was a wide open pass or alley-oop.

How is that any different then what Perkins does,

You are the dumbest poster I've ever spoken to.

Chandler averaged 8 POINTS IN THE PLAYOFFS LAST YEAR. HOW IS THAT A LOW POST SCORER IN YOUR RETARDED MIND?



* I'm pretty mad today so I don't have time for retarded people such as yourself who claim that Tyson Chandler is a low post scorer despite not even averaging 10 points a game

I'm just going to put you on ignore since you are clearly the dumbest ****ing person that I have ever spoken to. I mean show some intelligence. Debating with me and saying that Chandler is a low post scorer is the dumbest statement that I have ever heard regarding the NBA.

Odinn 05-26-2012 12:10 PM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
Have you ever heard of Dirk Nowitzki?:roll: :roll:

All Net 05-26-2012 12:10 PM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
Having a low post scorer was certainly more important in the early 00's to mid 00's but now? not really a factor at all to be honest but yes it can't hurt to have one. It certainly doesn't decide the champion these days.

It's A VC3!!! 05-26-2012 12:13 PM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Odinn
Have you ever heard of Dirk Nowitzki?:roll: :roll:



No. I've never heard of him. But can you explain how Chandler is a low post scorer.

And Dirk did everything. Don't label him as a low post player.

rmt 05-26-2012 12:15 PM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
If they keep their core together, I see them dominating the West in the regular season for the next 8 years. Don't know if they're ready to win the Championship this year. MIA is awfully hungry, and the Spurs might just have one more run left in them.

Odinn 05-26-2012 12:22 PM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by It's A VC3!!!
No. I've never heard of him. But can you explain how Chandler is a low post scorer.

And Dirk did everything. Don't label him as a low post player.

You f.cking idiot.

Dirk is a low-post scorer and averaged 27 ppg in 2011 playoffs. Dirk is one of the biggest threads in the low-post. You can not get away with Chandler's name.

2011 - Nowitzki
2010 - Gasol
2009 - Gasol
2008 - Garnett
2007 - Duncan
2006 - Shaq
2005 - Duncan
2004 - Sheed
2003 - Duncan
2002 - Shaq
2001 - Shaq
2000 - Shaq
1999 - Duncan

I'm not saying they should have a 20 ppg low-post scorer. They need an offensive weapon in the low-block.

KG215 05-26-2012 12:41 PM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by It's A VC3!!!
No they don't.

They already have Westbrook, Durant, and Harden who share the ball throught an entire game. Role players such as Ibaka, Mayor, and Sefelosha have the ball for the remaining time. Have a low post threat is the worst thing the Thunder can have because if you are feeding a low post player, that means that the big 3 isn't touching the ball at all. And you clearly don't want that. A tyson Chandler type player is what the Thunder need and they already have that in Perkins.


I'd still like one that we can bring off the bench. Don't need one in the starting lineup but someone off the bench that can score in the paint and come in and play crunch time if Perk or Ibaka are in foul trouble or aren't cutting it would be nice.

Clippersfan86 05-26-2012 12:44 PM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
VC3 lol at OKC sharing the ball. Their biggest weakness is turnovers and they aren't a great assist team. To answer OP I think the only teams in the next couple years who will challenge OKC in the west are the Grizzlies, Clippers and maybe Spurs. Lakers and Mavs need a rebuild possibly unless they pull off great trades.

My expectations for OKC are to make the WCF every year pretty much for the next decade with maybe a couple finals appearances.

ganja0710 05-26-2012 12:45 PM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Odinn
You f.cking idiot.

Dirk is a low-post scorer and averaged 27 ppg in 2011 playoffs. Dirk is one of the biggest threads in the low-post. You can not get away with Chandler's name.

2011 - Nowitzki
2010 - Gasol
2009 - Gasol
2008 - Garnett
2007 - Duncan
2006 - Shaq
2005 - Duncan
2004 - Sheed
2003 - Duncan
2002 - Shaq
2001 - Shaq
2000 - Shaq
1999 - Duncan

I'm not saying they should have a 20 ppg low-post scorer. They need an offensive weapon in the low-block.

Who's even considered a elite low post threat nowadays? Bynum is. Too bad he's gone. Roy Hibbert? Al Jeff? With the lack of big men in todays league, you can certainly go a longer way into the playoffs without one than you could have back in the 90's or 80's. If the Thunder wont be able to win it all without a legit post player, then Miami wont either.

OKCThunderUP 05-26-2012 12:50 PM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
Not one of OKC's best 4 players are in their prime yet and this team is already scary good. Hard to imagine there aren't several Larry O'Brien trophies in their immediate future.

Clippersfan86 05-26-2012 12:54 PM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OKCThunderUP
Not one of OKC's best 4 players are in their prime yet and this team is already scary good. Hard to imagine there aren't several Larry O'Brien trophies in their immediate future.


I think you guys have a good shot for 2 in the next 10 years. Sounds low to a Thunder fan but it's obviously not easy to win that trophy. I think in the east you'll have Chicago, Miami and the Pacers to contend with. In the west the Clippers, Grizzlies and Spurs. I think Wolves+Kings will blow up in next couple years too. This is how the league has always been..... the great teams get old and fall and the young, talented teams rise.

iDunk 05-26-2012 01:02 PM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by It's A VC3!!!
Your saying that the Mavericks had a low post scorer last year?

Do you ****ing watch basketball moron.

Every point Tyson Chandler scored was a wide open pass or alley-oop.

How is that any different then what Perkins does,

You are the dumbest poster I've ever spoken to.

Chandler averaged 8 POINTS IN THE PLAYOFFS LAST YEAR. HOW IS THAT A LOW POST SCORER IN YOUR RETARDED MIND?


* I'm pretty mad today so I don't have time for retarded people such as yourself who claim that Tyson Chandler is a low post scorer despite not even averaging 10 points a game

I'm just going to put you on ignore since you are clearly the dumbest ****ing person that I have ever spoken to. I mean show some intelligence. Debating with me and saying that Chandler is a low post scorer is the dumbest statement that I have ever heard regarding the NBA.

Tyson Chandler is a much better finisher than Perkins. Perkins has no lift at all & he sucks at everything except maybe intimidating the refs & some players.

KG215 05-26-2012 01:04 PM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Clippersfan86
I think you guys have a good shot for 2 in the next 10 years. Sounds low to a Thunder fan but it's obviously not easy to win that trophy. I think in the east you'll have Chicago, Miami and the Pacers to contend with. In the west the Clippers, Grizzlies and Spurs. I think Wolves+Kings will blow up in next couple years too. This is how the league has always been..... the great teams get old and fall and the young, talented teams rise.


The Clippers worry me the most if they lock up CP3 long term. Memphis, too, but Z-Bo is already 30 so he's not going to drastically improve. And something is just off about that whole team. They should be a legit contender but something isn't working. As long as VDN is the Clippers coach, though, I won't be particularly worried about them either.

And the Lakers will figure something out sooner or later. Even after Kobe gets too old or retires, something good will happen to them. Every time it looks like they'er going to go into a long stretch of mediocrity God reaches down and gives them a Shaq or Gail Goodrich signing as a vet FA with another team, forcing that team to compensate them with a draft pick, which turns into #1 overall and Magic Johnson. No matter how inevitable it may seem, they always find a way to stay more than relevant.

ganja0710 05-26-2012 01:06 PM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KG215
The Clippers worry me the most if they lock up CP3 long term. Memphis, too, but Z-Bo is already 30 so he's not going to drastically improve. And something is just off about that whole team. They should be a legit contender but something isn't working. As long as VDN is the Clippers coach, though, I won't be particularly worried about them either.

So are you like a Boston and OKC fan? Or just a KG fan? Just wondering because of your screenname.

HurricaneKid 05-26-2012 01:07 PM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Odinn
You f.cking idiot.

Dirk is a low-post scorer and averaged 27 ppg in 2011 playoffs. Dirk is one of the biggest threads in the low-post.


There is an idiot on this point and it ain't him. Here are Dirk's shot splits for 2011-2012:

At rim (0-3ft): 128
3-9 feet: 109
10-15 feet: 334
16-23 feet: 322
3 pters: 218

So he has taken almost as many 3s (218) as he has shots 0-9 ft (237). Thats a 1:1.08 ratio of 3s to post shots. And had >80% of his shots outside of 10 ft.

Lets look at Bynum:

At Rim: 451
3-9 feet: 404
10-15 ft: 65
16-23: 14
3 pters: 5

Now THAT is a low post player. We REMEMBER his 3pt att. Compared to Dirk's 1:1.08 ratio, Bynum has a 1:171 ratio. And 855/939 or 91% of his shots are taken within 10 feet.


You seem to think that because Dirk is 7 ft he is a PF. Or that because he plays a 4 defensively he is a low post player. HE ISN'T.

Clippersfan86 05-26-2012 01:10 PM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HurricaneKid
There is an idiot on this point and it ain't him. Here are Dirk's shot splits for 2011-2012:

At rim (0-3ft): 128
3-9 feet: 109
10-15 feet: 334
16-23 feet: 322
3 pters: 218

So he has taken almost as many 3s (218) as he has shots 0-9 ft (237). Thats a 1:1.08 ratio of 3s to post shots. And had >80% of his shots outside of 10 ft.

Lets look at Bynum:

At Rim: 451
3-9 feet: 404
10-15 ft: 65
16-23: 14
3 pters: 5

Now THAT is a low post player. We REMEMBER his 3pt att. Compared to Dirk's 1:1.08 ratio, Bynum has a 1:171 ratio. And 855/939 or 91% of his shots are taken within 10 feet.


You seem to think that because Dirk is 7 ft he is a PF. Or that because he plays a 4 defensively he is a low post player. HE ISN'T.


Being low post capable is the important thing, not the volume. If Dirk is matched up with smaller players he will ALWAYS post up. Not to mention if Carlisle says hey Dirk go get us some buckets in the low post... he's very deadly and capable from there with the face up game.

I<3NBA 05-26-2012 01:11 PM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
they're going to be contenders every year as long as they keep this core.

KG215 05-26-2012 01:12 PM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ganja0710
So are you like a Boston and OKC fan? Or just a KG fan? Just wondering because of your screenname.


Thunder fan but KG is my favorite player, probably ever. I made the account in 2009 and wasn't really thinking of team allegiances for the screen name, so I just went with my favorite player. I live in West Arkansas (almost in Oklahoma) and started going to a Thunder game or two or three every year when they moved here. Until that time I never had a favorite team so I figured might as well go with the Thunder. Had no idea they'd be this good when I went to a couple of games in the 23-59 season.

Clippersfan86 05-26-2012 01:14 PM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KG215
The Clippers worry me the most if they lock up CP3 long term. Memphis, too, but Z-Bo is already 30 so he's not going to drastically improve. And something is just off about that whole team. They should be a legit contender but something isn't working. As long as VDN is the Clippers coach, though, I won't be particularly worried about them either.

And the Lakers will figure something out sooner or later. Even after Kobe gets too old or retires, something good will happen to them. Every time it looks like they'er going to go into a long stretch of mediocrity God reaches down and gives them a Shaq or Gail Goodrich signing as a vet FA with another team, forcing that team to compensate them with a draft pick, which turns into #1 overall and Magic Johnson. No matter how inevitable it may seem, they always find a way to stay more than relevant.


Yea Lakers rebuild quickly but I honestly think this time it's going to be a little longer than 2 years. I expect a good 5-7 year rebuild. Mainly because of the hardcore tax penalties now and the fact that Lakers don't have any young valuable pieces. Teams don't jump at the opportunity to take on 18+ million dollar contracts with the repeater tax penalty. It's being called the "Death Tax" around the league because it can really cripple teams.

As for the Clippers once they find a new coach Blake Griffin is getting his 5 year extension I'm hearing. Chris Paul has backed up the front office every time when asked and sources say he's going to ink up. I agree Memphis is deadly but something is just off. Anybody outside of Memphis has known all along that Zbo/Gay don't compliment each other well. Won't surprise me if one is traded.

BTW I forgot Sixers in the east. They are a rising team where if they deal with trades/free agents properly and get a reliable go to guy they can contend as well. This is one thing I love about basketball..... you have perennial winners but in general new teams rise and fall every couple years. With the Thunder their ownership/Presti and everybody seems so competent that I expect 10+ years of good runs.

Cowboy Thunder 05-26-2012 02:20 PM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KG215
I think we need to add another bench scorer or two including one frontcourt player who's an offensive threat. Oh, and a better back-up PG. Losing Maynor this year really hurt more than the casual fan would know.


No doubt. Maynor was usually good for an average of 10 ppg. He ran the 2nd unit extremely well. I used to think he was better than Goatbrook at times last year.

Clippersfan86 05-26-2012 02:21 PM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cowboy Thunder
No doubt. Maynor was usually good for an average of 10 ppg. He ran the 2nd unit extremely well. I used to think he was better than Goatbrook at times last year.


Eric Bledsoe anybody? :oldlol:

Odinn 05-26-2012 02:47 PM

Re: Your expections for the Thunder going forward?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Clippersfan86
Being low post capable is the important thing, not the volume. If Dirk is matched up with smaller players he will ALWAYS post up. Not to mention if Carlisle says hey Dirk go get us some buckets in the low post... he's very deadly and capable from there with the face up game.

People not gonna understand or accept that...


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