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lets just ban cars for everyone since there are drunk drivers and asian female drivers
Actually limiting clip size on semiautomatic rifles to 10 rounds is long overdue. Honestly down to 5 rounds would probably even be better. No need to ban these rifles altogether IMO but there's no doubt these high capacity mags need to go.
[QUOTE=BMOGEFan]lets just ban cars for everyone since there are drunk drivers and asian female drivers[/QUOTE]
That's a really good analogy
:facepalm
Saw this on facebook.
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Longtime lurker, not many posts but i just went through 5 failed login attempts, + a password reset just so i could say that BMOGEFan is a fcking retard. Worst analogy ever.
Give me one good reason why anybody outside of a military trained assassin would require the services of an assault rifle
[QUOTE=rsoares28]Give me one good reason why anybody outside of a military trained assassin would require the services of an assault rifle[/QUOTE]
Doomsday preppers, sir.
[QUOTE=The Real JW]Saw this on facebook.
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Yeah, another bad analogy.:facepalm
How many Mcveigh incidents are there vs incidents involving mass shootings with high powered weaponry that you'd only see in the hands of military or police officers?
I'll gladly take my chances against my neighbor if he has to go through a bunch of task to build a bomb vs simply picking up a gun and shooting me.
[QUOTE=The Real JW]Saw this on facebook.
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Oh LAWD... there's too many simpletons on facebook.:facepalm
[QUOTE=rsoares28]Longtime lurker, not many posts but i just went through 5 failed login attempts, + a password reset just so i could say that BMOGEFan is a fcking retard. Worst analogy ever.
Give me one good reason why anybody outside of a military trained assassin would require the services of an assault rifle[/QUOTE]
You are a ****ing idiot. so you want to punish hunters, sports recreationalist all due to a nut case?
You know what else is the problem...white people. Look at all them killers...all white people.
People don't need assault rifles in their homes. Rifles, shotguns, pistols, etc. are fine but assault rifles, who seriously needs one?
[QUOTE=UConnCeltics]People don't need assault rifles in their homes. Rifles, shotguns, pistols, etc. are fine but assault rifles, who seriously needs one?[/QUOTE]
There are lots of things you don't NEED, but want. I'm pretty sure I can name 2 dozen things in your room if i stepped in and said you don't need this crap.
[QUOTE=UConnCeltics]People don't need assault rifles in their homes. Rifles, shotguns, pistols, etc. are fine but assault rifles, who seriously needs one?[/QUOTE]
Not even handguns. If you can easily conceal it, you shouldn't have it. You don't need a revolver and a .45 for recreational hunting.
If someone really wanted to commit an extreme crime like this, they will find a way to do it. What should be discussed is finding and implementing better security measures and fixing the broken infrastructure of our schools.
[QUOTE=shlver]If someone really wanted to commit an extreme crime like this, they will find a way to do it. What should be discussed is finding and implementing better security measures and fixing the broken infrastructure of our schools.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. If someone really wanted to go on the rampage, with or without a gun, they can do it.
Who's stopping a nut case from driving a car into a park
[QUOTE=BMOGEFan]You know what else is the problem...white people. Look at all them killers...all white people.[/QUOTE]
Whoever gave me a neg here is an idiot. I was being sarcastic.
Similar to how you want to ban all weapons because of a nut case.
[QUOTE=shlver]If someone really wanted to commit an extreme crime like this, they will find a way to do it. What should be discussed is finding and implementing better security measures and fixing the broken infrastructure of our schools.[/QUOTE]
The chinese guy that committed the exact same crime on the same day killed 0 because he couldn't find a gun, he only got a knife.
When someone really wants to commit a crime, they will do it. But why make it so easy for them? Why put their mother's gun on the counter where they can pick up within 2 minutes and walk out the door firing? Why not put another roadblock that makes it harder for them to commit the crime, which might possibly deter them, and lower the chances of something like this happening?
[QUOTE=shlver]If someone really wanted to commit an extreme crime like this, they will find a way to do it. What should be discussed is finding and implementing better security measures and fixing the broken infrastructure of our schools.[/QUOTE]
That is such a bad excuse for NOT further regulating guns. :oldlol:
The infrastructure of our schools has so little to due with ones ability to purchase high powered weaponry, get angry one day, and kill whoever they please.
To partially quote someone from another message board about the subject
[QUOTE]the right will push for bringing "God" back into the schools or perhaps some new conceal & carry lunch-box edition for smaller arms for minors...[/QUOTE]
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I swear people will want to argue we need to add assault weapons training to our school curriculum to discourage individuals from taking up arms against any other human out of fear that their opposition will be carrying a weapon and have been trained to use it...even if they are children.
[QUOTE=Loneshot]That is such a bad excuse for NOT further regulating guns. :oldlol:
The infrastructure of our schools has so little to due with ones ability to purchase high powered weaponry, get angry one day, and kill whoever they please.
To partially quote someone from another message board about the subject
:roll:
I swear people will want to argue we need to add assault weapons training to our school curriculum to discourage individuals from taking up arms against any other human out of fear that their opposition will be carrying a weapon and have been trained to use it...even if they are children.[/QUOTE]
I never said anything about not further regulating guns. Stop putting words in my mouth. The failing infrastructure and lack of security measures in schools is a more pressing issue than regulating guns. At my old high school, anybody could walk in through any door.
[QUOTE=BMOGEFan]There are lots of things you don't NEED, but want. I'm pretty sure I can name 2 dozen things in your room if i stepped in and said you don't need this crap.[/QUOTE]
Again another stupid analogy....
If someone has a hardon to fire an assault rifle go rent it for the hour at a range.... no need for it at any other point in a civilains life.
[QUOTE=UConnCeltics]People don't need assault rifles in their homes. Rifles, shotguns, pistols, etc. are fine but assault rifles, who seriously needs one?[/QUOTE]
You'll see once the King of England launches an invasion. I can imagine him now licking his chops, just waiting for this law to go into effect.
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But on a serious note, this is a good start. Hopefully people will still remember this event by next month, Americans have ridiculously short attention spans. This should've been done after Aurora.
[QUOTE=shlver]I never said anything about not further regulating guns. Stop putting words in my mouth. The failing infrastructure and lack of security measures in schools is a more pressing issue than regulating guns. At my old high school, anybody could walk in through any door.[/QUOTE]
And your solution would be to give all the teachers a gun so they can defend themselves right? Security of the schools is the issue here? And the solution is a shootout between teachers/guards/perpetrator when something like this happens?
How about another perspective: restricting guns so it'll be harder for a nutjob to get a gun and walk through that door?
[QUOTE=ripthekik]The chinese guy that committed the exact same crime on the same day killed 0 because he couldn't find a gun, he only got a knife.
When someone really wants to commit a crime, they will do it. But why make it so easy for them? Why put their mother's gun on the counter where they can pick up within 2 minutes and walk out the door firing? Why not put another roadblock that makes it harder for them to commit the crime, which might possibly deter them, and lower the chances of something like this happening?[/QUOTE]
Having a security measure like a mantrap is a much more significant roadblock than gun regulation; especially with so many guns out there now.. My university lab has this. You enter, and the door locks behind you If you have proper identification, then you can pass or someone can identify you from the inside and let you in. If you fail to provide id, then you are stuck there until the police come. I know there are logistical issues, but having designated points where there is security and metal detectors where a high volume of students can pass is doable
[QUOTE=ripthekik]And your solution would be to give all the teachers a gun so they can defend themselves right? Security of the schools is the issue here? And the solution is a shootout between teachers/guards/perpetrator when something like this happens?
How about another perspective: restricting guns so it'll be harder for a nutjob to get a gun and walk through that door?[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about?
[QUOTE=rsoares28]Again another stupid analogy....
If someone has a hardon to fire an assault rifle go rent it for the hour at a range.... no need for it at any other point in a civilains life.[/QUOTE]
Originally Posted by bmulls
Then you must necessarily support alcohol prohibition.
15,000 people die every year in drunk driving wrecks as opposed to roughly 10,000 gun murders.
Of the millions of people who responsibly partake in alcohol daily, very few are going to get behind the wheel and kill somebody. But our laws should be designed to protect us from the minority, thus alcohol must be banned.
Right?
Right????
You, sir, are a moron.
I don't trust our government enough to hand over my guns. I don't trust them to adequately protect me against fellow citizens, and I don't trust that they have my best interest in mind.
[QUOTE=shlver]What are you talking about?[/QUOTE]
The fact that you said security of schools are a bigger concern. We can't protect EVERYONE everywhere all the time 24 hours. What's next, security at movie theaters, church, parks? Is security really the problem? It's not. Schools are fine the way they are.
The problem is nutjobs being able to get the guns.
[QUOTE=BMOGEFan]Originally Posted by bmulls
Then you must necessarily support alcohol prohibition.
15,000 people die every year in drunk driving wrecks as opposed to roughly 10,000 gun murders.
Of the millions of people who responsibly partake in alcohol daily, very few are going to get behind the wheel and kill somebody. But our laws should be designed to protect us from the minority, thus alcohol must be banned.
Right?
Right????
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This argument has be dead and yet here comes another idiot with it.
Every single day alcohol is consumed about a million times more than a gun is used. The probability that a death is caused by alcohol is smaller than winning a lottery, getting in a planecrash, or getting hit by thunder. On the other hand, even though guns has maybe a bit less death per year, it's usage is MUCH less than alcohol usage, making it's rate MUCH higher. Not to mention it's designed as a weapon, meant to cause damage and harm. What harm does alcohol do directly to you?
[QUOTE=johndeeregreen]Actually limiting clip size on semiautomatic rifles to 10 rounds is long overdue. Honestly down to 5 rounds would probably even be better. No need to ban these rifles altogether IMO but there's no doubt these high capacity mags need to go.[/QUOTE]
It's actually funny. Shotguns are limited to the amount of shells they can hold to save migratory birds from over hunting but the guns that are more often used in crimes against humans are not regulated at all
[QUOTE=ripthekik]
This argument has be dead and yet here comes another idiot with it.
Every single day alcohol is consumed about a million times more than a gun is used. The probability that a death is caused by alcohol is smaller than winning a lottery, getting in a planecrash, or getting hit by thunder. On the other hand, even though guns has maybe a bit less death per year, it's usage is MUCH less than alcohol usage, making it's rate MUCH higher. Not to mention it's designed as a weapon, meant to cause damage and harm. What harm does alcohol do directly to you?[/QUOTE]
This is by far the DUMBEST argument I have ever heard.
If you want to take consumption into factor, lets count by how many rounds are fired then we divided it up by deaths.
[QUOTE=BMOGEFan]This is by far the DUMBEST argument I have ever heard.
If you want to take consumption into factor, lets count by how many rounds are fired then we divided it up by deaths.[/QUOTE]
How about everytime alcohol is consumed (could be 10 cans a night counted as 1) compared with anytime a gun is fired (in a session).
Seriously, you have 0 grounds. Just STFU, go to bed, and get ready for algebra class tomorrow.
[QUOTE=ripthekik]The fact that you said security of schools are a bigger concern. We can't protect EVERYONE everywhere all the time 24 hours. What's next, security at movie theaters, church, parks? Is security really the problem? It's not. Schools are fine the way they are.
The problem is nutjobs being able to get the guns.
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Because any attempt at gun regulation is met by heavily funded, political opposition. It will bring in too many pov's and won't get anything done in the short term. Investing in our schools as well as better securing them is an immediate benefit with a larger multiplier.
[QUOTE=ripthekik]How about everytime alcohol is consumed (could be 10 cans a night counted as 1) compared with anytime a gun is fired (in a session).
Seriously, you have 0 grounds. Just STFU, go to bed, and get ready for algebra class tomorrow.[/QUOTE]
You are just generalizing on ALL of your arguments.
One nut case killed someone, so we should ban all guns. Thats why gun advocates use the analogy of alocholism and drunk driving because its IDIOTS like you who make this generalization in the first place.
How about making a different argument about rehabilitation on mental health before just deciding, hey lets get rid of all the guns altogether.
More with the alcohol:
What the F is death caused by alcohol anyways? I should have stopped this conversation before it began. There is simply NO SUCH THING. Alcohol is an indirect cause, it does NOT cause death directly, unless you are talking about alcohol poisoning. Tell me, how do I die from alcohol? Drowning in a pool of vodka? Someone throws a bottle of whisky to my head and kill me?
Drunking driving causing death? Auto accident, the death is caused by the car. A drunk man killing another person? Murder/manslaughter, caused by whatever weapon he used: knife or gun.
On the other hand, GUNS do kill people. Someone kills another guy with a gun, what is cause of death? the Gun. Guns directly cause death to the person.
How the hell do you even start to compare the two? Not to mention no matter how you try to use statistics, it sides with alcohol as less chance of death occurring (close to impossible)
There are more guns in this country than there are people. We have reached a point of no return in the amount of firearms in the US. Putting our efforts into things that give real benefits is a much better use of our resources than a superficial change in gun law.
[QUOTE=ripthekik]More with the alcohol:
What the F is death caused by alcohol anyways? I should have stopped this conversation before it began. There is simply NO SUCH THING. Alcohol is an indirect cause, it does NOT cause death directly, unless you are talking about alcohol poisoning. Tell me, how do I die from alcohol? Drowning in a pool of vodka? Someone throws a bottle of whisky to my head and kill me?
Drunking driving causing death? Auto accident, the death is caused by the car. A drunk man killing another person? Murder/manslaughter, caused by whatever weapon he used: knife or gun.
On the other hand, GUNS do kill people. Someone kills another guy with a gun, what is cause of death? the Gun. Guns directly cause death to the person.
How the hell do you even start to compare the two? Not to mention no matter how you try to use statistics, it sides with alcohol as less chance of death occurring (close to impossible)[/QUOTE]
Argument By Selective Observation:
also called cherry picking, the enumeration of favorable circumstances, or as the philosopher Francis Bacon described it, counting the hits and forgetting the misses. For example, a state boasts of the Presidents it has produced, but is silent about its serial killers. Or, the claim "Technology brings happiness". (Now, there's something with hits and misses.)
Casinos encourage this human tendency. There are bells and whistles to announce slot machine jackpots, but losing happens silently. This makes it much easier to think that the odds of winning are good.
Confusing Correlation And Causation:
earthquakes in the Andes were correlated with the closest approaches of the planet Uranus. Therefore, Uranus must have caused them. (But Jupiter is nearer than Uranus, and more massive too.)
When sales of hot chocolate go up, street crime drops. Does this correlation mean that hot chocolate prevents crime ? No, it means that fewer people are on the streets when the weather is cold.
The bigger a child's shoe size, the better the child's handwriting. Does having big feet make it easier to write ? No, it means the child is older.
Try to type something that makes sense yourself. If you have the ability to.
Can alcohol directly cause death? Nope.
Can guns directly cause death? Yes.
End of comparison.
[QUOTE=ripthekik]Try to type something that makes sense yourself. If you have the ability to.
Can alcohol directly cause death? Nope.
Can guns directly cause death? Yes.
End of comparison.[/QUOTE]
Switzerland all people own a gun...lowest homicide rate in the world. Please explain the causation/correlation
[QUOTE=ripthekik]Try to type something that makes sense yourself. If you have the ability to.
Can alcohol directly cause death? Nope.
Can guns directly cause death? Yes.
End of comparison.[/QUOTE]
Of course alcohol can directly cause death.
[QUOTE=BMOGEFan]Exactly. If someone really wanted to go on the rampage, with or without a gun, they can do it.
Who's stopping a nut case from driving a car into a park[/QUOTE]
Another bad example, until they start regulating guns as much as they regulate cars.
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