Ok, LeBron(3 time MVP) is having his best season but Durant is a clear MVP favorite

LeBron has won 3 MVP's in his career and 2013 LeBron is playing better than any previous MVP winning LeBron. Yet we ISH view Durant as a heavy favorite to win MVP this year, maybe that's because 2013 Durant is better than any LeBron. Let's discuss.

OP's name is fitting.

Da ****?

Durant has zero case over LeBron for MVP. None. Zilch.

People on this forum like to say "MVP is a two man race between LeBron and Durant", which is nonsense. LeBron will win another unanimous MVP just like 2010.

[QUOTE=Doranku]Da ****?

Durant has zero case over LeBron for MVP. None. Zilch.

People on this forum like to say "MVP is a two man race between LeBron and Durant", which is nonsense. LeBron will win another unanimous MVP just like 2010.[/QUOTE]

Voter fatigue is a real thang.

If voter fatigue didn't exist, LeBron would be a 5-Time MVP (No offense to D-Rose or KD) after this year. MVP of the league for half of his 10 year career. A 5-TIME (COUNT IT... 5- TIME) MVP in just 10 seasons. Just let that sink in...

Durant had a case......back in November-early December. LeBron has blown this race by 5 laps now.

LeBron's scoring has increased from 25 to 27 per game, and his rebounding still remains 8+ per game. He'll pick is REB up again by end of Feb.

[QUOTE=DMV2]Durant had a case......back in November-early December. LeBron has blown this race by 5 laps now.

LeBron's scoring has increased from 25 to 27 per game, and his rebounding still remains 8+ per game. He'll pick is REB up again by end of Feb.[/QUOTE]

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Same reason that Barkley and Malone won MVPs that could have gone to MJ. Voters get tired of giving the same player the award, and want to see someone new get it.

[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]Same reason that Barkley and Malone won MVPs that could have gone to MJ. Voters get tired of giving the same player the award, and want to see someone new get it.[/QUOTE]
Having said that, if voter fatigue wasn't a real thing Jordan would have at least 7 MVPs. He somehow didn't win it in his best statistical year.

[QUOTE=Shepseskaf]Same reason that Barkley and Malone won MVPs that could have gone to MJ. Voters get tired of giving the same player the award, and want to see someone new get it.[/QUOTE]

IMO MVP's MJ should have won: 1991, 1992, 1996, 1997, 1998

1997: Jordan, not Malone should have won
1988: Bird, not Jordan should have won

He also had a good case in 1990. The year Barkley won, it was Hakeem's award imo.

when are people going to realize MVP doesn't always go to the best player? Shaq & Kobe have 1 MVP, should be proof enough.

He'll have 5 MVP's before the age of 30

[QUOTE=NLZ]when are people going to realize MVP doesn't always go to the best player? Shaq & Kobe have 1 MVP, should be proof enough.[/QUOTE]
Thats not the problem though.Shaq has never been a dominant in regular season and kobe has been dominant for 2 seasons where his team sucked.Even when he won mvp back in 2008 he was no where near lebron valuable(or durant for that matter)

If lebron doesnt get it this year,only reason will be voters fatigue.He has been so dominant.

2 of those mvps were steve nash like mvps were both belong to mamba. people need to stop with this 3 time mvp garbage. :facepalm

Mamba deserves 0 MVPs. Just be gracious that he was undeservingly handed the regular season MVP award .....and the 2010 finals MVP that should have went to Gasol.

As for Shaq not being dominant in the regular season...LOL Shaq should have won 4 MVPs minimum- 1999-2002 and then 2004

Back to the topic- Lebron is clearly having the best year and will capture his 4th MVP.

[QUOTE=Human Error]LeBron has won 3 MVP's in his career and 2013 LeBron is playing better than any previous MVP winning LeBron. Yet we ISH view Durant as a heavy favorite to win MVP this year, [B]maybe that's because 2013 Durant is better than any LeBron.[/B] Let's discuss.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Rysio]2 of those mvps were steve nash like mvps were both belong to mamba. people need to stop with this 3 time mvp garbage. :facepalm[/QUOTE]
Kobe is the 2005 MVP?:roll: :roll:


[QUOTE=secund2nun]Mamba deserves 0 MVPs. Just be gracious that he was undeservingly handed the regular season MVP award .....and the 2010 finals MVP that should have went to Gasol.[/QUOTE]
Don't be so hateful. Kobe's best season, 2005-06 season, doesn't fit to the criteria of being the MVP. He deserved his MVP in 2008.

[QUOTE=secund2nun]As for Shaq not being dominant in the regular season...LOL Shaq should have won 4 MVPs minimum- 1999-2002 and then 2004[/QUOTE]
You're just as delusional as Kobe-stans.
1999-2000-2001-2002 and then 2004? That's 5. I'm just saying in case of you can not count.

1998-99 season is the worst season of Shaq while he was in his prime. He was not the MVP in that season, clearly.
Shaq's 2000 MVP is one of the most deserved MVPs.
Iverson's 2001 MVP was about hype. It should have gone to Shaq or Duncan.
Shaq didn't have a case for Duncan for being the MVP in 2001-02.
Garnett's 2004 MVP is one of the most deserved MVPs. Shaq had no case over him.
Although IMO, Shaq should have won the 2005 MVP.

I'd say 2 or 3 is accurate for Shaq. 'Minimum 4' is just delusional. Don't be so uncontrolled while trying to bash to Kobe.

LeBron is on a different stratosphere right now.

His current level of play makes him the greatest of all time if he can keep up for the next 5 years. This shit isn't even up for discussion.

I was a LeBron hater, but you can't build the ashes of hate on the flames of greatness. LeBron is too damn good at basketball.

[QUOTE=Ne 1]IMO MVP's MJ should have won: 1991, 1992, 1996, 1997, 1998

1997: Jordan, not Malone should have won
1988: Bird, not Jordan should have won

He also had a good case in 1990. The year Barkley won, it was Hakeem's award imo.[/QUOTE]

Agree with Bird being the best in 88. Jordan was the best player in the game from 90-93 and 96 - 98, and as such probably should have won it every one of those years.

Mvp is somewhat of a silly concept. Taken at face value, it should be given to the best player in the league. If we're talking about value in a general sense, and not a team specific sense - which would see the award go to a really good player on a really bad team almost every year - then most valuable should be synonymous with best. Unfortunately, that's not the case, though it should be. Guys like Kobe and Shaq are paragons of that. It's also the reason Durant has a very realistic chance over Lebron this year, despite Lebron being the better and more valuable player.

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Video of that pic reminded me of this MVP race.

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[QUOTE=noob cake]LeBron is on a different stratosphere right now.

His current level of play makes him the greatest of all time if he can keep up for the next 5 years. This shit isn't even up for discussion.

I was a LeBron hater, but [B][SIZE="4"]you can't build the ashes of hate on the flames of greatness. LeBron is too damn good at basketball[/SIZE][/B].[/QUOTE]

+1

[QUOTE=Odinn]Don't be so hateful. Kobe's best season, 2005-06 season, doesn't fit to the criteria of being the MVP. He deserved his MVP in 2008.
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He couldn't even lead his team past the first round...in his prime...in the 3 chances he got (the 3 seasons after Shaq and before Gasol). That is not MVP worthy. The media has unfairly given Kobe all of the credit for the 2 title wins when he could not even get past the first round before Gasol arrived there and on top of that Gasol was much better in the 2010 NBA finals than Kobe yet Kobe got all of the credit and the finals MVP. In those 2 playoffs Gasol was just as good as Kobe yet they falsely portray him as the sidekick.

[QUOTE]You're just as delusional as Kobe-stans.
1999-2000-2001-2002 and then 2004? That's 5. I'm just saying in case of you can not count.
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By 1999 I meant the 1999-2000, 2000-2001- and 2001-2002 seasons.
Now you have a point about Duncan, he deserved more MVPs. But Shaq is one of the GOAT.

[QUOTE]1998-99 season is the worst season of Shaq while he was in his prime. He was not the MVP in that season, clearly.[/QUOTE]

Bad logic. Shaq's prime was legendary. Being the worst season of his prime still means it was utter domination. But anyways I was talking about 99-00, not 98-99.
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Shaq's 2000 MVP is one of the most deserved MVPs.
Iverson's 2001 MVP was about hype. It should have gone to Shaq or Duncan.
Shaq didn't have a case for Duncan for being the MVP in 2001-02.
Garnett's 2004 MVP is one of the most deserved MVPs. Shaq had no case over him.
Although IMO, Shaq should have won the 2005 MVP.
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I agree about KG's dominance. Good point about KG's season forgot about that. KG, Duncan, Shaq should have traded MVPs every season from 1999 to 2007 imo (not equally weighted though)

[QUOTE]I'd say 2 or 3 is accurate for Shaq. 'Minimum 4' is just delusional. Don't be so uncontrolled while trying to bash to Kobe.[/QUOTE]

I'll admit 3 would be fine, but 2 is way under. He deserved at least 3...4 IMO.

As for Kobe....I don't buy big market media hype. I look at the facts.

[QUOTE=arifgokcen]Thats not the problem though.Shaq has never been a dominant in regular season and kobe has been dominant for 2 seasons where his team sucked.Even when he won mvp back in 2008 he was no where near lebron valuable(or durant for that matter)

If lebron doesnt get it this year,only reason will be voters fatigue.He has been so dominant.[/QUOTE]

2008 Kobe was a better player than 2008 Lebron in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Doranku]Da ****?

Durant has zero case over LeBron for MVP. None. Zilch.

People on this forum like to say "MVP is a two man race between LeBron and Durant", which is nonsense. LeBron will win another unanimous MVP just like 2010.[/QUOTE]


Lebron is going off, no question, But I think the Voters will give it to KD this year. KD is also having an amazing season and could be viewed as MORE VALUABLE to his squad...

Take Kd off OKC, and they will likely struggle, take Lebron off the Heat, and they still have All-stars Chris Bosh and Wade, and future HOF Ray Allen.

Haters going to be extra Salty when #6 holds up his 4th MVP trophy this year.

It's inevitable that OKC will end up with the best record in the WC. They currently have 5 more wins and 2 less loses than the Heat playing in a tougher conference. No discredit to Lebron's [B]godly[/B] play as of late, but eventually he'll come back down to earth and start shooting an out of this world percentage.

Unless they can match OKC's record or KD goes down with a serious injury, it's Durant's for the taking.

[QUOTE=arifgokcen]Thats not the problem though.Shaq has never been a dominant in regular season and kobe has been dominant for 2 seasons where his team sucked.Even when he won mvp back in 2008 he was no where near lebron valuable(or durant for that matter)

If lebron doesnt get it this year,only reason will be voters fatigue.He has been so dominant.[/QUOTE]

Shaq never been dominant? :facepalm idiot.

[QUOTE=TMT]It's inevitable that OKC will end up with the best record in the WC. They currently have 5 more wins and 2 less loses than the Heat playing in a tougher conference. No discredit to Lebron's [B]godly[/B] play as of late, but eventually he'll come back down to earth and start shooting an out of this world percentage.

[B]Unless they can match OKC's record [/B]or KD goes down with a serious injury, it's Durant's for the taking.[/QUOTE]
You think MVP goes to the team with the best record? Did you see who won MVP last year? And you **** up a lot of MVPs in the past with that logic

[QUOTE=BrickingStar]You think MVP goes to the team with the best record? Did you see who won MVP last year? And you **** up a lot of MVPs in the past with that logic[/QUOTE]

Yeah, my team and the Bulls tied. The Spurs are too balanced and of course TP isn't going to get MVP recognition. D-Rose played 39 games, so he was out of the discussion. Had to go to one of the two runners up, either Durant or LBJ and it did. :confusedshrug: What's your point?

MVP goes to the best player on the best team nowadays and iirc, there are three teams with a better record than the Heat (Spurs, Thunder, Clippers) and two teams right on their tail (Pacers, Knicks).

[QUOTE=TMT]It's inevitable that OKC will end up with the best record in the WC. They currently have 5 more wins and 2 less loses than the Heat playing in a tougher conference. No discredit to Lebron's [B]godly[/B] play as of late, but eventually he'll come back down to earth and start shooting an out of this world percentage.

Unless they can match OKC's record or KD goes down with a serious injury, it's Durant's for the taking.[/QUOTE]

How do you know for sure OKC will end up with the best record in the league? Spurs are right there, and they haven't even had Duncan or Ginobli recently.

If OKC gets the 2nd best record in the league, it defeats the whole "best player on best team" argument he has going for him. Then it's a guy who is having an outstanding season leading his team to 2nd place VS a guy who's having a godly season leading his team to 3rd place. That would favor LeBron more IMO.

Kobe morons are the ones who think Durant is the MVP.

[QUOTE=InfiniteBaskets]How do you know for sure OKC will end up with the best record in the league? Spurs are right there, and they haven't even had Duncan or Ginobli recently.

If OKC gets the 2nd best record in the league, it defeats the whole "best player on best team" argument he has going for him. Then it's a guy who is having an outstanding season leading his team to 2nd place VS a guy who's having a godly season leading his team to 3rd place. That would favor LeBron more IMO.[/QUOTE]

Just my opinion. Spurs dealing with injuries and are on their annual RRT right now, it's hard to say they will still be leading OKC two weeks from now. Even if the Spurs were to get the best record, no one on our squad is grabbing the MVP so it will be the same situation as last year. If the Heat end up behind Spurs, Clips and Thunder by seasons end, I don't see Lebron taking it. Even with how well he is playing right now, the Knicks who have been slumping are 1.5 back and Indiana is in the picture as well.

I'd put my money on Durant taking home the hardware this year.

[QUOTE=raprap]OP's name is fitting.[/QUOTE]


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[QUOTE=noob cake]
His current level of play makes him the greatest of all time if he can keep up for the next 5 years. This shit isn't even up for discussion.
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His current level of play doesn't put him near the greatest of all-time. If he keeps it up for 5 years he's not the greatest of all time. This isn't up for discussion. This is stupid.

[QUOTE=TMT]Yeah, my team and the Bulls tied. The Spurs are too balanced and of course TP isn't going to get MVP recognition. D-Rose played 39 games, so he was out of the discussion. Had to go to one of the two runners up, either Durant or LBJ and it did. :confusedshrug: What's your point?

[B]MVP goes to the best player on the best team nowadays [/B]and iirc, there are three teams with a better record than the Heat (Spurs, Thunder, Clippers) and two teams right on their tail (Pacers, Knicks).[/QUOTE]
Seeing as lebron is the best player this year by far and recently the bold in your post is not the case if you look at last year, I'll go with LeBron.

[QUOTE=noob cake]LeBron is on a different stratosphere right now.

His current level of play makes him the greatest of all time if he can keep up for the next 5 years. This shit isn't even up for discussion[/QUOTE]

I hate when people get carried away AND say stupid shit. Ever heard of Wilt, Kareem, Jordan, or Magic?

[QUOTE=TMT]Just my opinion. Spurs dealing with injuries and are on their annual RRT right now, it's hard to say they will still be leading OKC two weeks from now. Even if the Spurs were to get the best record, no one on our squad is grabbing the MVP so it will be the same situation as last year. If the Heat end up behind Spurs, Clips and Thunder by seasons end, I don't see Lebron taking it. Even with how well he is playing right now, the Knicks who have been slumping are 1.5 back and Indiana is in the picture as well.

I'd put my money on Durant taking home the hardware this year.[/QUOTE]

It's possible either way. I'd put my money on the Spurs getting the best record in the league. The system they play is not vulnerable to lapses in effort and more sustainable than Heat or OKC. It's funny how they manage to get close to the best record every season and yet not enough credit is given to any of the players for MVP consideration, nor is enough credit given to Pop for coaching a group of un-deserving MVP candidates to a top record.

Anyways, I don't see Clippers topping the Heat in the standings at this point unless injuries were to happen to Miami. If at the end of the season OKC is in 2nd and has a win or two more than Miami, it won't be enough to keep the MVP away from LeBron. But that's just my personal opinion.

[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]I hate when people get carried away AND say stupid shit. Ever heard of Wilt, Kareem, Jordan, or Magic?[/QUOTE]
everyone but jordan wouldn't be the discussion if lebron kept having seasons like this for the next 5 seasons

[QUOTE=BrickingStar]everyone but jordan wouldn't be the discussion if lebron kept having seasons like this for the next 5 seasons[/QUOTE]

Wilt and Kareem are certainly in the discussion. Educate yourself.

durant is shooting 52 percent which is also insane

[url]http://www.nba.com/mvp-ladder/2012-13/index.html[/url]

LeBron is in the lead, the only people who think Durant is the MVP right now are Kobe stans who hate LeBron :confusedshrug:

Lebron is having the best season of his career right now. Easily MVP

LOL at this.

Lebron is the best player in the league.

And he is the most valuable player too.

Lebron is Miami's best playmaker, scorer, and defender...and they also count on him a lot for rebounding since Bosh and Joel Anthony suck at rebounding.

Durant is the Thunder's best scorer. That's his job. Playmaking is Westbrook's job. Ibaka and Sefalosha guard the opposing team's best player. Ibaka and Perkins get the rebounds and are more than capable of doing it.