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What would the 72-10 Bull's record look like playing this year?
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Not an original question but still....Perfect storm of a situation before or do they come close?
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Probably something like 67-73 wins.
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It would a win or two less or more. They had a few nights where they didn't perform (lost to Damon Stoudamire's Raptors) but were on almost every game and when they were on they were better than anyone. The only team with a combo in the modern era that comes close is Miami, but Wade has been down, James isn't clutch like MJ and Rodman would give Bosh a hard time.
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quick facts about that team:
* nba title
* 72-10 record in the regular season
* 15-3 record in the playoffs
* all-star mvp, regular season mvp, and finals mvp in jordan
* phil jackson won coach of the year award
* kukoc won the 6th man award
* jordan's 30.4 ppg led the league (was 3rd in steals at 2.2)
* rodman's 14.9 rpg led the league
* jordan and pippen were named to the 1st team all nba team
* jordan, pippen, rodman were named to the 1st team all defensive team
* kerr was second in the league in 3 pt percentage
roster:
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somewhere between 62-65 wins IMO
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doubt they would get anymore than 50 wins
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Between 50-55 wins.. Actually there's no competition for them that time and today teams are far better than team in the 90s.. Even the Wizards can easily make the playoff in the 90s.. That's how shitty their competition was..
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[QUOTE=fpliii]somewhere between 62-65 wins IMO[/QUOTE]
The 2011 Bulls won 62 games and with significant injuries to key players. The 96 Bulls should win 5 more at a minimum.
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[QUOTE=guy]The 2011 Bulls won 62 games and with significant injuries to key players. The 96 Bulls should win 5 more at a minimum.[/QUOTE]
Well personally I like the high end of that range a little more (so 64-65), but they were designed to comete with teams of that era. I think if you transplant them into today's league, they'd still be very good and would be strongly favored to win the title, but they'd have some trouble adapting early on.
If we're assuming that that wouldn't be an issue, and basing this just on skillsets/talent level, then I'd probably say 67-68.
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Most of ISH were infants :D
I watched them oftem , so I'll say they would have 7-8 losses and maybe 1 loss in the playoff's
They were a well oiled machine.
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[QUOTE=fpliii]Well personally I like the high end of that range a little more (so 64-65), but they were designed to comete with teams of that era. I think if you transplant them into today's league, they'd still be very good and would be strongly favored to win the title, but they'd have some trouble adapting early on.
If we're assuming that that wouldn't be an issue, and basing this just on skillsets/talent level, then I'd probably say 67-68.[/QUOTE]
I really don't see how they'd have trouble adapting. Actually, they might even be better in this era because they don't have to play their centers as much and could play Kukoc more who was their 4th best player. They could play their 5 best players i.e. Rodman/Kukoc/Pippen/Jordan/Harper lineups more often.
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It wouldn't be any different. The majority of teams today are so stupid and undisciplined they would get run out of the building by a high IQ, highly skilled, defensive oriented team like the '96 Bulls.
I think even the '96 Orlando Magic would absolutely MURDER this league today.
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[QUOTE=Real Men Wear Green]It would a win or two less or more. They had a few nights where they didn't perform (lost to Damon Stoudamire's Raptors) but were on almost every game and when they were on they were better than anyone. The only team with a combo in the modern era that comes close is Miami, but Wade has been down, James isn't clutch like MJ and [B]Rodman would give Bosh a hard time[/B].[/QUOTE]
A hard time? he would rape Bosh and quite possible embarass Bosh into quitting the game entirely. Bosh would be curled up behind the bench in the fetal position trying to find his " happy place"
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[QUOTE=guy]I really don't see how they'd have trouble adapting. Actually, they might even be better in this era because they don't have to play their centers as much and could play Kukoc more who was their 4th best player. They could play their 5 best players i.e. Rodman/Kukoc/Pippen/Jordan/Harper lineups more often.[/QUOTE]
Eh, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree then. We're not terribly far off, though.
[QUOTE=hitmanyr2k]It wouldn't be any different. The majority of teams today are so stupid and undisciplined they would get run out of the building by a high IQ, highly skilled, defensive oriented team like the '96 Bulls.
[B]I think even the '96 Orlando Magic would absolutely MURDER this league today.[/B][/QUOTE]
Hmmmm, gonna have to call you out on this. Shaq is my all-time favorite player, and I watched a lot of those early to mid-90s Magic squads (started watching the NBA in 91). Didn't see anything that would lead me to think this.
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Hmmmm, gonna have to call you out on this. Shaq is my all-time favorite player, and I watched a lot of those early to mid-90s Magic squads (started watching the NBA in 91). Didn't see anything that would lead me to think this.[/QUOTE]
The '96 Magic had all of the ingredients for success in today's league. A great frontcourt with Shaq (he would be even more dominant in this horrible big man era) and Horace Grant, a damn good wing player in Penny, and 3 point shooters to stretch the floor in Dennis Scott and Nick Anderson. They were a well-balanced team that could beat you inside and out.
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[QUOTE=hitmanyr2k]The '96 Magic had all of the ingredients for success in today's league. A great frontcourt with Shaq (he would be even more dominant in this horrible big man era) and Horace Grant, a damn good wing player in Penny, and 3 point shooters to stretch the floor in Dennis Scott and Nick Anderson. They were a well-balanced team that could beat you inside and out.[/QUOTE]
They'd contend, but to me 'murder' = they'd win 65+ games, and would be a heavy favorite to win every round in no more than 5 games (and would have to be a better than even money favorite in Vegas to win it all from the offset of the season).
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[QUOTE=KOBE143][B]Between 50-55 wins.. [/B]Actually there's no competition for them that time and today teams are far better than team in the 90s.. Even the Wizards can easily make the playoff in the 90s.. That's how shitty their competition was..[/QUOTE]
Proving your dumbassery one post at a time. This years Knicks team look poised to get at least that record. You're trying to tell me the [B]96 Bulls[/B] wouldn't get anymore wins than this year's Knicks team is likely to get?
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Apparently the same as the Lakers will have this year :lol
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Prob 64 wins. Knicks beat them 104-72. I remember because sadly, that was one of the happiest moments of my knicks rooting life :oldlol: they should still win the championship. Want to see him against OKC.
Does Pippen shut down KD? Doubt it, too many screens. But I'm sure Durant does not go off outside a game or 2. Westbrook would be key... lol
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Also factor in that they no longer would have to worry about illegal defense today. Jordan and Pippen would be even better defensively today. Especially Pippen.
Id say 75 wins
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[QUOTE=Dragonyeuw]Proving your dumbassery one post at a time. This years Knicks team look poised to get at least that record. You're trying to tell me the [B]96 Bulls[/B] wouldn't get anymore wins than this year's Knicks team is likely to get?[/QUOTE]
You're comparing two teams in a different era.. :facepalm Im referring to the competition dumbass.. Today competition is far better and tougher than in the water down 90s.. That doesnt mean that the knicks are better than the 96 bulls..
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[QUOTE=imdaman99]Prob 64 wins. Knicks beat them 104-72. I remember because sadly, that was one of the happiest moments of my knicks rooting life :oldlol: they should still win the championship. Want to see him against OKC.
Does Pippen shut down KD? Doubt it, too many screens. But I'm sure Durant does not go off outside a game or 2. Westbrook would be key... lol[/QUOTE]
Why only 64? The Magic are playing 500 ball with Davis, Aflalo, and Nelson as their best players. The Heat just lost to the Wizards without Wall.
Whats more. The two best teams in the league this year (Heat and Thunder) have worse bigs than the Bulls.
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They would win 55-62 games.
People really forget that was the expansion era.
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[QUOTE=97 bulls]Also factor in that they no longer would have to worry about illegal defense today. Jordan and Pippen would be even better defensively today. Especially Pippen.
Id say 75 wins[/QUOTE]
any rule changes would have benefited them and hurt them pretty much equally.
yeah, they dont have to worry about illegal defense, but other teams that are playing them dont have to worry about it either
it works both ways
in fact, loading up the strong side would be a pretty good defensive strategy against jordan.
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[QUOTE=KOBE143]You're comparing two teams in a different era.. :facepalm Im referring to the competition dumbass.. Today competition is far better and tougher than in the water down 90s.. That doesnt mean that the knicks are better than the 96 bulls..[/QUOTE]
Really? Didn't the Bobcats set the record for fewest wins in a season just last year? The Magic have nobody and are still winning games
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[QUOTE=chips93]any rule changes would have benefited them and hurt them pretty much equally.
yeah, they dont have to worry about illegal defense, but other teams that are playing them dont have to worry about it either
it works both ways
in fact, loading up the strong side would be a pretty good defensive strategy against jordan.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't hurt anyone else. It sure as hell aint gonna hurt Jordan. Compound that with the fact that now you have a huge issue or not being able to box out Rodman. Seattle tried to do somting similar. And Rodman had record setting offensive rebounding games
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The Bulls would win just as many games. Dennis Rodman was a beast on the boards. Also, the Bulls had some length at that center spot. Pippen, Jordan, and Harper, and Rodman was some epic defense. Ultimately, nobody could stop Jordan either.
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Zone defense would be the key here. Make Pip/Jordan shoot outside jumpers, and you will win the game. Of course that sounds incredibly simple, but it obviously wasn't/wouldn't be. A poor mans Pip/Jordan was destroyed by the zone in 2011, so if you could do the same to the real Pip/Jordan then I could see a similar result if the shots don't fall.
That said at minimum 66 wins. No expansion teams, although the Raptors, Cavs, and Wizards are playing like it.
If the Cavs can get 66 then I see no reason that Bulls team couldn't do the same.
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Hmmmm, gonna have to call you out on this. Shaq is my all-time favorite player, and I watched a lot of those early to mid-90s Magic squads (started watching the NBA in 91). Didn't see anything that would lead me to think this.[/QUOTE]
Really? Not only do they have great talent, they would be the best frontcourt in the league. They would give mismatches with Penny as their PG like they did back then and Shaq is always hard to stop. Their defense isn't really all that, but they had more talent than the 90s Lakers IMO. The Magic would definitely be top tier as they were back then.
As for the Bulls? I don't know. Both teams, 96 and 97 could've won more if Rodman played a bit more. And 98 Pippen was missed 38 games, and they still got 62 wins with the injuries and old age. They might win the same amount if they played this year, or a bit less. Especially if the of 2010-11 Bulls could win 62 wins, I think the Bulls of 95-96 would do better.
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[QUOTE=Micku]Really? Not only do they have great talent, they would be the best frontcourt in the league. They would give mismatches with Penny as their PG like they did back then and Shaq is always hard to stop. Their defense isn't really all that, but they had more talent than the 90s Lakers IMO. The Magic would definitely be top tier as they were back then.
As for the Bulls? I don't know. Both teams, 96 and 97 could've won more if Rodman played a bit more. And 98 Pippen was missed 38 games, and they still got 62 wins with the injuries and old age. They might win the same amount if they played this year, or a bit less. Especially if the of 2010-11 Bulls could win 62 wins, I think the Bulls of 95-96 would do better.[/QUOTE]
Again, as I said before they (the Magic, that is) would be contenders, but they wouldn't 'murder' the league IMO:
[QUOTE=fpliii]They'd contend, but to me 'murder' = they'd win 65+ games, and would be a heavy favorite to win every round in no more than 5 games (and would have to be a better than even money favorite in Vegas to win it all from the offset of the season).[/QUOTE]
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In that Eastern conference? They'd still get pretty close to 72.
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[QUOTE=lilgodfather1]Zone defense would be the key here. Make Pip/Jordan shoot outside jumpers, and you will win the game. Of course that sounds incredibly simple, but it obviously wasn't/wouldn't be. A poor mans Pip/Jordan was destroyed by the zone in 2011, so if you could do the same to the real Pip/Jordan then I could see a similar result if the shots don't fall.
That said at minimum 66 wins. No expansion teams, although the Raptors, Cavs, and Wizards are playing like it.
If the Cavs can get 66 then I see no reason that Bulls team couldn't do the same.[/QUOTE]
Zones get destroyed by good ball movement and teamwork. That Bulls team would've been pretty good against a zone, provided they get to practice against it a bit.
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[QUOTE=lilgodfather1]Zone defense would be the key here. Make Pip/Jordan shoot outside jumpers, and you will win the game. Of course that sounds incredibly simple, but it obviously wasn't/wouldn't be. A poor mans Pip/Jordan was destroyed by the zone in 2011, so if you could do the same to the real Pip/Jordan then I could see a similar result if the shots don't fall.
That said at minimum 66 wins. No expansion teams, although the Raptors, Cavs, and Wizards are playing like it.
If the Cavs can get 66 then I see no reason that Bulls team couldn't do the same.[/QUOTE]
You realize Jordan was one of the greatest jumpshooters ever right? And it wasn't the zone that beat Lebron and Wade. It was Lebron being shook as sh*t that lost that series more then anything.
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That 96 Bulls team would absolutely kill in this league, MJ with today's perimeter friendly rules would be unstoppabull (pun intended). Today's league is slightly more athletic and a lot more BBall IQ retarded. The only team that would bother them would be Miami but the Bulls would handle them in 5. Rodman would have a field day with that marshmellow FC.
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[QUOTE=guy]You realize Jordan was one of the greatest jumpshooters ever right? And it wasn't the zone that beat Lebron and Wade. It was Lebron being shook as sh*t that lost that series more then anything.[/QUOTE]
Making MJ shoot jumpers=bad strategy, I agree, LBJ and Wade are nowhere near MJ in the midrange game...if anything, body up on MJ and force him to drive in hopes of him maybe getting worn out at the end of the game, this is mid 30s MJ we're talking about. It's a risky move but a lot better than letting MJ shoot open Js.
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[QUOTE=lilgodfather1]Zone defense would be the key here. Make Pip/Jordan shoot outside jumpers, and you will win the game.[/QUOTE]
:facepalm
That's as bad as saying, "make Bird shoot jumpers":lol
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A little less. Maybe 68 wins.
I believe that year was the first or second year for two expansion teams (Toronto and Vancouver). Both of them were very easy wins.
But I don't know, there are less good big men in the game today, and that was Chicago's biggest "weakness". Luc Longley might even be considered a pretty good center today lol, but back then he was below average.