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On Wednesday the signing became official. Cleveland Cavaliers add former Celtics power forward Leon Powe
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On Wednesday the signing became official. Cleveland Cavaliers add former Celtics power forward Leon Powe
Nice pickup. He was really nice in the 08 playoffs. If he plays similar to before the injury, he could be a nice bench player. I really like the moves the Cavs have made.
Huge steal, if he comes back healthy next season. Just has a knack for getting boards around the basket.
GOD DAMNIT! This really pisses me off!
I really don't want Powe to leave, especially to another contender. I knew it'd happen, but I don't want it to. Powe is an awesome guy, and could be really good if he avoids more injuries.
He was insane when KG first went down this spring. Also, he was the C's priority to bring back before he went down and Baby came through in the playoffs.
They say he gone be ready by the allstar break. Our team is stacked if he healthy
Good pickup by Cavs if he can come back and be close to the player he was for the second half of the season and especially the postseason. If he is the Powe of old might just give the Cavs enough to win it all. Shaq,AV,Z and Powe as the main Bigs along with the occasionaly LBJ to let Moon or Parker get more minutes gives the Cavs a deep and diversified lineup. So the Cavs added Shaq,Parker,Moon,Powe and lost Pavs and Big Ben and probably Wally and Smith who barely played in Orlando Series anyway. From where I stand a 66 win team looks even better and deeper. They add 4 players assuming Powe comes back this year that are all better players to the 4 rotation players lost.
Great pickup for the Cavs [B]IF[/B] a) this unconfirmed report is true b) Powe comes back in optimal playing condition around winter time, ready for a playoff push.
A 2-year deal ? Team option for the 2nd year ? Minimum salary ? How the hell did Ferry do that ? :bowdown:
Great Acquisition by the Cleveland Cavaliers.
Steal of a pickup for the Cavs. Powe's a great player.
This past offseason, they got Parker, Moon, Shaq and now Powe...pretty solid.
[QUOTE=Fallguy20]you know what they say, right?
"if something seems too good to be true..."
--2 week avvy bet says it doesnt happen--[/QUOTE]
Brian Windhorst is a reliable source ...
But first, the Cavs doctors will have to check out Powe's knee. If they see nothing wrong with it, he's a Cav.
Isn't Powe a RFA?
[QUOTE=qrich]Isn't Powe a RFA?[/QUOTE]
The Celtics declined to make him a qualifying offer because of his knee.
[QUOTE=Mikaiel]A 2-year deal ? Team option for the 2nd year ? Minimum salary ? How the hell did Ferry do that ? :bowdown:[/QUOTE]
Yup ferry a god. I think powe got upset at big baby signing and said get ferry on the phone and get my ticket to cleveland
Leon Powe will likely play more than 24 minutes per game if he's healthy.
Love to see Powe destroy the "Matador Defender" Rashoids Lewis.
Great pick up..
:rockon:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWy1gcJ9d_0[/url]
:hammertime: :hammertime: :hammertime:
When healthy..
Mo/Boobie (Mo will actually be running the 2nd unit)
West/Parker
Lebron/Moon/Green
AV/Powe/JJ/Jackson
Shaq/Z
Deep..
Danny Ferry is doing his homework. I expect him to sign an Offensive Assistant Coach that will replace John Kuester.
[img]http://www.nba.com/media/cavaliers/danny_ferry_225.gif[/img]
[B][I]"It's Winning time"[/I][/B]
Fantastic news and, if he comes back to be even close to the player he was before the injury, this is an absolutely giant steal for the Cavs. It also addresses the only thin spot on the roster.
So... Without losing a single starter or major contributor, Ferry has added Shaq, Parker, Moon, and Powe... Does this make the Cavs the biggest winner of the offseason? Obviously, the Lakers getting Artest for the MLE and re-signing Odom was huge, but they also lost a major contributor and starter. The Spurs made some excellent moves, too.
But, the Powe signing puts the Cavs in that discussion.
This team is going to be incredibly deep and incredibly versatile. You won't see the matchup problems and depth problems that doomed them against the Magic last year.
You also won't see the Lakers dominating them purely with their length and rebounding prowess.
Ferry deserves a medal for the things he has done the past two years. If he can re-sign LeBron, he will officially become a god in Cleveland... Something that I could have never imagined after we traded a prime Ron Harper for his sorry @ss.
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]Fantastic news and, if he comes back to be even close to the player he was before the injury, this is an absolutely giant steal for the Cavs. It also addresses the only thin spot on the roster.
So... Without losing a single starter or major contributor, Ferry has added Shaq, Parker, Moon, and Powe... Does this make the Cavs the biggest winner of the offseason? Obviously, the Lakers getting Artest for the MLE and re-signing Odom was huge, but they also lost a major contributor and starter. The Spurs made some excellent moves, too.
But, the Powe signing puts the Cavs in that discussion.
This team is going to be incredibly deep and incredibly versatile. You won't see the matchup problems and depth problems that doomed them against the Magic last year.
You also won't see the Lakers dominating them purely with their length and rebounding prowess.
Ferry deserves a medal for the things he has done the past two years. If he can re-sign LeBron, he will officially become a god in Cleveland... Something that I could have never imagined after we traded a prime Ron Harper for his sorry @ss.[/QUOTE]
A bench player that averages 8/5 is an "absolutely giant steal"?
Losing a 'major' contributor but replacing him with an even better one doesn't involve any "buts". Kinda like, "Oh look booho we lost Nene but hey we just signed Dwight Howard!!!"
[QUOTE=D-Rose]A bench player that averages 8/5 is an "absolutely giant steal"?
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If the reports are true, he'll sign a 2-year deal, at the minimum salary. If he can get back to the player he was before the injury, it'll be a huge steal.
And even if he can't do that, the 2nd year of his contract is a team-option. I don't know how Ferry did it, he's a genius. I thought Powe would have demanded a player option, just in case he can't come back. But if he does, we'll have a solid bench player for basically nothing.
And a healthy Powe would be a great fit with the Cavs. He's really good at taking the charge, so you know Mike Brown will love him.
How is that not a steal ?
[QUOTE=D-Rose]A bench player that averages 8/5 is an "absolutely giant steal"?[/QUOTE]
Yep... When you consider what the Cavs had left under the cap to offer and the fact that the 4 was the only position that lacked depth... Also, when you consider that the reports are that the second year is a team option.
Yep... It is a steal, if the parameters that I mentioned are reached by Leon.
I'm not going to cause you grief by re-addressing the Lakers' replacement of Ariza for Artest, because it seems that I caused quite a stir by insinuating that it may not have been the right thing to do.
But, that wasn't the point of my mentioning the Lakers in my post. I mentioned them as having -- possibly -- the best offseason in the entire L. It was a compliment more than anything. Why are you so defensive about everything?
Fact: The Cavs have added four possible important pieces without losing a single major contributor from last season.
Fact: The Lakers added a very talented player, but also lost a major contributor (a starter, in fact).
You don't see the difference? Shaq is a major upgrade over Z, but we didn't even lose Z. He is now the backup center.
[QUOTE=Mikaiel]If the reports are true, he'll sign a 2-year deal, at the minimum salary. If he can get back to the player he was before the injury, it'll be a huge steal.
And even if he can't do that, the 2nd year of his contract is a team-option. I don't know how Ferry did it, he's a genius. I thought Powe would have demanded a player option, just in case he can't come back. But if he does, we'll have a solid bench player for basically nothing.
And a healthy Powe would be a great fit with the Cavs. He's really good at taking the charge, so you know Mike Brown will love him.
How is that not a steal ?[/QUOTE]
LOL and people say Lakers fans exagerrate Bynum's po.
Listen kid, Powe is a fine young player but he's clearly nothing special and calling him a "steal" especially when he just blew out his knee (again right?) is just showing you don't know what you're saying.
Gasol to LA - steal
Pippen to Bulls - steal
Mo Williams to Cavs - steal
Dirk to Mavs - steal
Roy and Aldridge to Portland - steal
Powe to Cleveland - :oldlol:
[QUOTE=D-Rose]LOL and people say Lakers fans exagerrate Bynum's po.
Listen kid, Powe is a fine young player but he's clearly nothing special and calling him a "steal" especially when he just blew out his knee (again right?) is just showing you don't know what you're saying.
Gasol to LA - steal
Pippen to Bulls - steal
Mo Williams to Cavs - steal
Dirk to Mavs - steal
Roy and Aldridge to Portland - steal
Powe to Cleveland - :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
1. Don't call me kid.
2. You gotta be an All-Star to qualify as a steal ? Since when ? We're not saying it's the steal of the century ...
3. How am I exagerrating his potential ? He's a solid bench player, nothing more.
[QUOTE=D-Rose]LOL and people say Lakers fans exagerrate Bynum's po.
Listen kid, Powe is a fine young player but he's clearly nothing special and calling him a "steal" especially when he just blew out his knee (again right?) is just showing you don't know what you're saying.
Gasol to LA - steal
Pippen to Bulls - steal
Mo Williams to Cavs - steal
Dirk to Mavs - steal
Roy and Aldridge to Portland - steal
Powe to Cleveland - :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
So... You don't take contracts into account when evaluating what is a steal and what isn't? I wasn't necessarily even referring to Powe's potential as a player as being a steal. It is about what he can potentially offer the team for what he signed for and how the Cavs decide how long his contract lasts.
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]Yep... When you consider what the Cavs had left under the cap to offer and the fact that the 4 was the only position that lacked depth... Also, when you consider that the reports are that the second year is a team option.
Yep... It is a steal, if the parameters that I mentioned are reached by Leon.
I'm not going to cause you grief by re-addressing the Lakers' replacement of Ariza for Artest, because it seems that I caused quite a stir by insinuating that it may not have been the right thing to do.
But, that wasn't the point of my mentioning the Lakers in my post. I mentioned them as having -- possibly -- the best offseason in the entire L. It was a compliment more than anything. Why are you so defensive about everything?
Fact: The Cavs have added four possible important pieces without losing a single major contributor from last season.
Fact: The Lakers added a very talented player, but also lost a major contributor (a starter, in fact).
You don't see the difference? Shaq is a major upgrade over Z, but we didn't even lose Z. He is now the backup center.[/QUOTE]
Anthony Parker is just a good shooter, he's the defintion of average. Moon is a good dunker, sucks on defense.
Shaq is 38, no PHX medical staff either, you're getting late Miami Shaq.
Powe won't even be ready for half the season and then the other half he'll have to get his rhythm back and get into shape. Won't be much of anything in playoffs. Following year no one knows if your lover boy is coming back either.
Pavlovic/Wallace combined = Ariza last season.
P+W: 8 PPG 7 RPG
Ariza: 9 PPG 4 RPG
Oh and before you bring up that Ariza's defense was this and that, Artest is a much better overall defender, yes even now kid.
Lakers best 5: Kobe, Pau, Ron, Odom, Bynum
Cavs best 5: LBJ, Shaq, Mo, West, Z
Garbage city did all that and LA is still better on paper and still more versatile and talented and battle tested. :oldlol:
Oh and we don't have to go through Boston or Orlando (more stacked than Cleveland)
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]
Fact: The Lakers added a very talented player, but also lost a major contributor (a starter, in fact).
[/QUOTE]
i wouldn't say they lost a major contributor... they replaced the major contributor (ariza) with a superior player (artest).
[QUOTE=D-Rose]Anthony Parker is just a good shooter, he's the defintion of average. Moon is a good dunker, sucks on defense.
Shaq is 38, no PHX medical staff either, you're getting late Miami Shaq.
Powe won't even be ready for half the season and then the other half he'll have to get his rhythm back and get into shape. Won't be much of anything in playoffs. Following year no one knows if your lover boy is coming back either.
Pavlovic/Wallace combined = Ariza last season.
P+W: 8 PPG 7 RPG
Ariza: 9 PPG 4 RPG
Oh and before you bring up that Ariza's defense was this and that, Artest is a much better overall defender, yes even now kid.
Lakers best 5: Kobe, Pau, Ron, Odom, Bynum
Cavs best 5: LBJ, Shaq, Mo, West, Z
Garbage city did all that and LA is still better on paper and still more versatile and talented and battle tested. :oldlol:
Oh and we don't have to go through Boston or Orlando (more stacked than Cleveland)[/QUOTE]
Wow... I guess winning a title has made you a giant d0uche of a fan. You are really calling me 'kid'? My 'lover boy'?
I'm not sure what your problem is or why you feel the need to denigrate me or the Cavs' moves this offseason (clearly an upgraded team), but I will now cease responding to you and/or discussing basketball with you.
Have fun cheering on the Lakers this year. They are -- without a doubt -- the favorite to win another title and defend their championship. Good luck with that.
See ya.
[QUOTE=YAWN]i wouldn't say they lost a major contributor... they replaced the major contributor (ariza) with a superior player (artest).[/QUOTE]
Got it... Which is why I mentioned them along with the Spurs as having the best offseason in the league. :hammerhead:
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]Wow... I guess winning a title has made you a giant d0uche of a fan. You are really calling me 'kid'? My 'lover boy'?
I'm not sure what your problem is or why you feel the need to denigrate me or the Cavs moves this offseason (clearly an upgraded team), but I will now cease responding to you and/or discussing basketball with you.
Have fun cheering on the Lakers this year. They are -- without a doubt -- the favorite to win another title and defend their championship. Good luck with that.
See ya.[/QUOTE]
Lol I love Cleveland fans, my friend is one too, all you gotta do is take a jab at their city a bit and they can't say **** back cause they never won jack **** :oldlol:
It's all gd tho, im juss fckin with ya
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]Got it... Which is why I mentioned them along with the Spurs as having the best offseason in the league. :hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
you mentioned it as if to say they got worse.. the whole way you used the "fact" thing insinuated that. whether or not it was done purposely, i dont know. but it was a very misleading statement.
[QUOTE=D-Rose]Anthony Parker is just a good shooter, he's the defintion of average. Moon is a good dunker, sucks on defense.
Shaq is 38, no PHX medical staff either, you're getting late Miami Shaq.
Powe won't even be ready for half the season and then the other half he'll have to get his rhythm back and get into shape. Won't be much of anything in playoffs. Following year no one knows if your lover boy is coming back either.
Pavlovic/Wallace combined = Ariza last season.
P+W: 8 PPG 7 RPG
Ariza: 9 PPG 4 RPG
Oh and before you bring up that Ariza's defense was this and that, Artest is a much better overall defender, yes even now kid.
Lakers best 5: Kobe, Pau, Ron, Odom, Bynum
Cavs best 5: LBJ, Shaq, Mo, West, Z
Garbage city did all that and LA is still better on paper and still more versatile and talented and battle tested. :oldlol:
Oh and we don't have to go through Boston or Orlando (more stacked than Cleveland)[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about?
Shaq has his own medical trainer.
At the age of 37-38 yrs.old the Diesel is still an elite Center in the NBA.
Anthony Parker averaged 11 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 3.4 apg in the 2008-09 NBA Season.
Leon Powe is only 25 yrs.old. I think he can recover from his Injury.
Jamario Moon is a solid role player, and a very good Free Throw Shooter.
Love to see LeBron throw some crazy Alley Oop pass to Super Jamario.
Danny Green won an NCAA Championship with the North Carolina Tarheels, and he's also a very good 3 points shooter, decent defender.
Green >>>> Pavlovic.
[QUOTE=YAWN]you mentioned it as if to say they got worse.. the whole way you used the "fact" thing insinuated that. whether or not it was done purposely, i dont know. but it was a very misleading statement.[/QUOTE]
I said that the Cavs were in the conversation as having the best offseason because of acquisitions that were made to clearly improve the roster without losing anyone significant.
I mentioned the Spurs and Lakers, because I think those are the other teams that have had an excellent offseason. I contrasted the Cavs' offseason with those two by saying that, even though we didn't get the big names that the Lakers or Spurs have, the FO was able to make significant improvements to the roster without losing anyone of any major importance.
It was not a shot at the Lakers' moves or what they have done this offseason. I simply used them as an example of another team that has had an excellent offseason and noted the differences between the teams' respective moves.
The Lakers are the undeniable favorites to win the title. I'm not sure why their fans are being so touchy.
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]
The Lakers are the undeniable favorites to win the title. I'm not sure why their fans are being so touchy.[/QUOTE]
i didnt see any lakers fans in this thread being touchy? :confusedshrug:
Acquiring Shaquille O'Neal is already a Steal for the Cavaliers. And his contract also expires next year.
Current Shaq (18 ppg on 60 FG%, 8 rpg)>>>>>> Past his Prime Ben Wallace
Shaq, Parker, Powe, Green and Moon are already an upgrade to the Cavaliers Roster last year.
[QUOTE=YAWN]i didnt see any lakers fans in this thread being touchy? :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
Being called a 'kid' and being mocked for liking this move simply because I casually brought up the Lakers in the conversation (in a positive light, no less) is what I would consider 'touchy.'
I wasn't necessarily talking about you, in particular, although I do think you read too much into my post than what was intended.
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]the FO was able to make significant improvements to the roster without losing anyone of any major importance.[/QUOTE]
Well, John Kuester is in Detroit now. That was out of our control but we did lose him and it will hurt us.
[QUOTE=Mikaiel]Well, John Kuester is in Detroit now. That was out of our control but we did lose him and it will hurt us.[/QUOTE]
True. I was talking strictly about player personnel, though.
Kuester will be difficult to replace... No doubt.
Cavs > Lakers
Period.
:cry: all you want but Cleeveland still had a better record than them last year without all these moves. Expect the same to happen this year. In the playoffs it will be tough, but I'm willing to put my bank on them coming out the East.
And oh yeah, :oldlol: @ Laker Fan in this thread.