Which big man would you rather build around in your prime? This debate is a lot closer than people think. Even for superstar, Dwight is very underrated.
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Which big man would you rather build around in your prime? This debate is a lot closer than people think. Even for superstar, Dwight is very underrated.
dwight's the better finisher and probably better overall in PNR. he's also the better rebounder.
i think mourning was more savvy around the hoop and at least near equal defensively. i also think he brings more intangibles to his team. he was more inspiring and vocal.
seriously tough call but i guess i'm going with dwight due to his ability to draw doubles, his efficiency and his overall defensive prowess. i just think he's a much more potent #2 option than mourning is in the same role.
i do think zo's '06 playoff run tends to get underrated, especially in the finals. dude was so active defensively, especially help side. he wasn't even worried on offense since miami decided he wasn't really much of an option outside of putbacks. his defense and leadership were huge and we're talking about a well past prime zo. he was arguably the 4th most impactful miami player.
Give me the non-douche!
zo
he was a beast, polished offensive game and defensive beast
i would have picked dwight if he transitioned to a shaq type dominance by using his body alot more but hes still a baby in that regards.
Grew up watching ZO so I'm going with him all day. Dude was a beast.
Dwight is clearly a better player than Zo. Dwight is a franchise player, Zo was a very good player whose toughness and work ethic elevated him. Dwight is also bigger.
[QUOTE=niko]Dwight is clearly a better player than Zo. Dwight is a franchise player, Zo was a very good player whose toughness and work ethic elevated him. Dwight is also bigger.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: i guess Voshon Lneard was the franchise player of the Miami Heat...
i see anything Zo can't do that Dwight does. on the contrary, i see plenty of things that Howard can only dream about.
dwight lightning
Give me Zo...
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYmpPqJLX_Y&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/url]
36 year old, post kidney disease Zo handling a 20 year old Dwight.
Give me Prime Zo anyday of the week.
I don't like Dwight, I realize he's a Laker now but the way he handled everything from getting SVG fired to his trade request really rubbed me the wrong way.
That being said, I would still take him over Zo.
easy pick. i like zo, but he got injured a lot during his prime..actually during his entire career. so i'm going with dwight.
Hilarious. Zo used to be my fave and now Dwight is. Being that I watched a ton of Zo's games and I've been watching Dwight, I'll have to go with Dwight. Zo in his prime is not better than Dwight and he still haven't hit his prime yet. I can see how the Dwightmare would scare a couple of you guys, but I've never heard a teammate criticize Dwight.
[QUOTE=PJR][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYmpPqJLX_Y&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/url]
36 year old, post kidney disease Zo handling a 20 year old Dwight.
Give me Prime Zo anyday of the week.[/QUOTE]
Oakley would bitchslap Dwight and make him hide under a chair. What's your point? Is Oak better too?
Zo used to be one of my favorite players, while I am mostly indifferent to Howard, but I would say Howard is in the tier just above him.
He's closer to a Pat Ewing than to Alonzo Mourning, and when it's all said and done might be regarded as the Moses of his era (not talking about style of play here, just tiers).
In addition to having led an average team to the NBA Finals at a young age, Dwight is a more dominant presence on the court: not only does he anchor your defense (and it's not just about accumulating blocked shots) but he commands double teams on offense. He's also a better rebounder.
Some will argue that Zo played against better competition (and it's true that so far Dwight has had no one in his conference and only Yao, Gasol and Bynum in the opposing conference), but let's not forget that his career coincided with Shaq who is often criticized for dominating inferior centers.
Even though he played in the same decade, he's not from the same generation as Hakeem, DRob and Ewing - several of his prime years occurred when those were old and washed up.
[QUOTE=niko]Oakley would bitchslap Dwight and make him hide under a chair. What's your point? Is Oak better too?[/QUOTE]
Oakley isn't close to being the caliber of player as either, so I don't know why you would even bring him in the discussion. And even if that's the case, that's not exactly a glaring endorsement for Dwight in this comparison.
easily Zo
better mind, better person, better defender!
[QUOTE=Xiao Yao You]Give me the non-douche![/QUOTE]
Zo was a cool guy and someone that's generally a franchise guy. His intangibles are a hell of a lot better than Dwights, and at the moment I'll take Zo over Howard due to intangibles. Both don't have the best offensive game and they both have similar defensive games. Howard may be a wee bit better on the offense, but I don't think Zo would screw over a franchise in dramatic manner.
They were both whiners, but I'd take Dwight over Zo. Better rebounder, as good of a shotblocker, and similar offensive skill set, if not better. Also Zo seemed to psych himself out of games and his temper was a liability as much as it was an asset.
[QUOTE=PJR][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYmpPqJLX_Y&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/url]
36 year old, post kidney disease Zo handling a 20 year old Dwight.
Give me Prime Zo anyday of the week.[/QUOTE]
To be fair, Zo did get outplayed by an old/injured Ewing in a game 7.
I dont think their offensive skillsets are that similar. Zo had a bit of a triple threat game when he was on the Hornets. He always had a jumper. He was as good as Dwight back to basket....meaning...not elite. But effective. But he could faceup and blow by you a bit better. And that jumper he had early was nice as well. He didnt just make 1 game winner in the playoffs. He could just straight up look you in the eye and shoot an 18 footer.
I got a lot of Hornets games around then. Zo wasnt like....some elite shooting bigman. He wasnt even Yao. But he could make shots on a regular basis that would have people making a big deal about it if Dwight did it.
[QUOTE=wang4three]They were both whiners, but I'd take Dwight over Zo. Better rebounder, as good of a shotblocker, and similar offensive skill set, if not better. Also Zo seemed to psych himself out of games and his temper was a liability as much as it was an asset.[/QUOTE]
I was at a bar watching that game where he started throwing punches at LJ at the end of the game with the next game being the elimination game. I've never seen a crowd of people applaud a scrum like that because everyone knew that Miami was done. Was just ridiculous.
Dwight easily for building a franchise due to durability.
Peaks would be close though but even then I would go with Dwight.
Howard
Zo. Dwight only does so damn well because of the lack of competition at center these days. Zo would be amazing in the modern NBA.
[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]Which big man would you rather build around in your prime? This debate is a lot closer than people think. Even for superstar, Dwight is very underrated.[/QUOTE]
Can't compare the two cause they played in entirely different eras.
Put Dwight in the 90s and his efficiency, boards and ppg drop. Put Zo in today's era, and he's Defensive Player of the Year multiple times, amongst the top scorers and MVP candidate.
Zo easily. He had a good offensive game. Could score in the paint and had a jumper. Dwight is mechanical and looks awkward in the paint. Zo was as equally as good as Dwight on defense. Zo was a competitor. Dwight he smiles and laughs when his teams is losing.
'Zo without hesitation.
Better on offense, and just as good if not better on Defense.
Also had that killer instinct and toughness that Howard hasn't always shown.
I give the nod to Zo based on overall attitude and demeanor.
Zo
he played like he wanted to rip your head off and spit down your throat. Thats what I want from my center
Dwight. I don't agree that Zo was as dominant as Dwight defensively. Dwight Howard is probably underrated defensively by the fact that there is basically no other big men that are dominant like he is, but he is probably closer to the tier of Hakeem and Robinson (though of course not on that tier) while Mourning is closer to the tier of Ewing and Mutombo. Ben Wallace was extremely dominant but his dominance just didn't last that long.
As far as offense goes, neither really has that much of an advantage. Alonzo Mourning did have that little jumper, but he really wasn't all that much of a go to scorer down low himself and neither had any passing game. It's basically a wash offensively.
[QUOTE=Smoke117]Dwight. [B]I don't agree that Zo was as dominant as Dwight defensively.[/B] Dwight Howard is probably underrated defensively by the fact that there is basically no other big men that are dominant like he is, but he is probably closer to the tier of Hakeem and Robinson (though of course not on that tier) while Mourning is closer to the tier of Ewing and Mutombo. Ben Wallace was extremely dominant but his dominance just didn't last that long.
As far as offense goes, neither really has that much of an advantage. Alonzo Mourning did have that little jumper, but he really wasn't all that much of a go to scorer down low himself and neither had any passing game. It's basically a wash offensively.[/QUOTE]
'Zo was better than Dwight defensively.
Prime 'Zo today would annihilate Dwight.
Gotta go with Zo. He would be feasting on the hearts of today's c's. He was more versatile offensively, and i feel he would be more effective than Dwight in that respect. Dwight is a better rebounder for sure, and also gets the edge defensively, but its close. However Zo's defensive prowess would be exaggerated in today's game so I think its about even. As others have said Zo's intensity and leadership tip it in his favor for me.
Anyone voting for Dwight should watch this 'Zo tribute video and will then most likely change their mind.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMwuMPmtH3w[/url]
[B]WTF NIKKA [/B]I know why you have red bars now biatch. This is a disgrace of a comparison and you're only underrated the great Zo. [B]**** YOU F@GGOT NEGGED[/B]
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Why are people talking about Zo's leadership? What Alonzo Mourning was known for, for much of his career was losing his temper and blowing a gasket. I don't call that leadership.
[QUOTE=Smoke117]Why are people talking about Zo's leadership? What Alonzo Mourning was known for, for much of his career was losing his temper and blowing a gasket. I don't call that leadership.[/QUOTE]
You're a ****ing retard so basically he was at MJ level leadership? How is that not a good thing?
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]I dont think their offensive skillsets are that similar. Zo had a bit of a triple threat game when he was on the Hornets. He always had a jumper. He was as good as Dwight back to basket....meaning...not elite. But effective. But he could faceup and blow by you a bit better. And that jumper he had early was nice as well. He didnt just make 1 game winner in the playoffs. He could just straight up look you in the eye and shoot an 18 footer.
I got a lot of Hornets games around then. Zo wasnt like....some elite shooting bigman. He wasnt even Yao. But he could make shots on a regular basis that would have people making a big deal about it if Dwight did it.[/QUOTE]
I forget that Zo had a somewhat solid jump shot. I guess by similar I refer to how mechanical the two looked on offense. Nothing ever looked real natural or graceful.
I still like what Dwight can do more though.
[QUOTE=wang4three]I guess by similar I refer to how mechanical the two looked on offense. Nothing ever looked real natural or graceful.
I still like what Dwight can do more though.[/QUOTE]
Wrong.
Zo was not mechanical at all. He was graceful with good footwork, and MUCH more athletic than Dwight is.
[QUOTE=FatComputerNerd]Wrong.
Zo was not mechanical at all. He was graceful with good footwork, and MUCH more athletic than Dwight is.[/QUOTE]
It seems because people assume that Dwight is a bigger he is more athletic then Zo for not logical reason. Zo was more athletic for his Size and It's not close and you have to be when you're a undersized Center. And I don't mean to actually think Joel Anthony is even close to the God power level of Zo but that's what Joel Anthony has going for him in center, he's pretty athletic as well