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Better Case For GOAT? Wilt Chamberlain or KAJ
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[quote]With 72 records (68 of which he holds by himself), Wilt dominates the NBA record book. And he's not just the top guy on the lists below. In several cases, he's No. 1, 2 and 3. It's hard to believe that there will ever be another player who can dominate as many statistical categories as the Big Dipper did.
On the other hand, Kareem has more accolades and honors, including more championships (went to the Finals 10x), MVPs and FMVPs. Not only that, he was the greatest scorer in history (as per totals).[/quote]
As you can see, arguments can be made for others as being the "greatest" (which is obviously a very subjective title to bestow on anybody), but when you add up not only his mind-boggling and unsurpassed statistical accomplishments, and the finer points of creating a winning team, the importance of the center position inherent to the game of basketball, and the fact that he was one of the greatest closers to ever play the game with *the* most unstoppable shot in the history of basketball, in my humble opinion Kareem was greater than Wilt and has one of the strongest cases for GOAT.
BTW, here's an interesting little factoid I came across: Kareem, a career 56% shooter, only shot 48% against Chamberlain who shot 55% against Kareem, which was [I]his[/I] career average.
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Are you saying GOAT for all time based on career accolades or are you saying GOAT as in how dominant a player each one was?
I have either Wilt or Shaq as the GOAT. Career wise I dunno cause I never sit and look at it all.
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Kareem has a case, but he also got to play with the two best PGs of all time. Without Oscar and Magic, Kareem's teams didn't make the finals.
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Kareem has the all around resume over chamberlain. Although, im not sure if you could say that Kareem ever matched Wilt's dominance.
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It's Wilt easily imo.
Kareem is nice, but Wilt lost to better competition in his prime, than Kareem played in his prime (pre-lakers).
If I was drafting a team, i'd take Russell, Wilt, Jordan, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Shaq, Hakeem, Duncan.
Wilt had the best talent and skills of anyone ever and given the perfect circumstances could have had the best teams, won the most rings and been the best basketball player.. i don't think it's close - but given the way their careers actually went, Jordan became the better player and the greatest of all time.
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[QUOTE=Mr Exlax]Are you saying GOAT for all time based on career accolades or are you saying GOAT as in how dominant a player each one was?
I have either Wilt or Shaq as the GOAT. Career wise I dunno cause I never sit and look at it all.[/QUOTE]
I think GOAT encompasses everything. Careers, accolades, honors and dominance.
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i guess what i'm saying is that every single person on the planet would be better if they got a do-over.
and in a world where we got do-overs, Wilt is the best of all time EASILY.
but given the world we live in where no one gets do-overs, jordan became the best player and the greatest of all time without any do-overs - he was the smartest when it mattered - in the moment.
lebron is trying to circumvent the natural process by manufacturing pseudo do-overs every few years, but not only will he will fall short in the end, and but his methodology will never garner the respect his fans wish for him.
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[QUOTE=3ball]i guess what i'm saying is that every single person on the planet would be better if they got a do-over.
and in a world where we got do-overs, Wilt is the best of all time EASILY.
but given the world we live in where no one gets do-overs, jordan became the best player and the greatest of all time without any do-overs - he was the smartest when it mattered - in the moment.
lebron is trying to circumvent the natural process by manufacturing pseudo do-overs every few years, but not only will he will fall short in the end, and but his methodology will never garner the respect his fans wish for him.
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Jordan was great, we all know that, but honestly? Putting a 2 guard ahead of the most dominant centers in history just doesn't add up. If these guys not being double-double machines wasn't enough, they were also more dominant in the way the approached and attacked defenses (better in the post for example). Jordan is Jordan, but his rings don't have more value than Wilt or Kareem, in my opinion, because of competition. Jordan in the 80's could not take out Bird, or Magic, or Detroit (until they faltered). His teams would play Boston, and they would get smoked every year, with Bird arguably outplaying him in their series H2H's.
I personally don't care much about volume scoring as I do about actual impact, and affecting the outcome of games besides scoring.
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[QUOTE=insidious301]Jordan was great, we all know that, but honestly? Putting a 2 guard ahead of the most dominant centers in history just doesn't add up. If these guys not being double-double machines wasn't enough, they were more dominant in the way the approached and attacked defenses (better in the post for example). Jordan is Jordan, but his rings don't have more value than Wilt, Magic or Kareem, in my opinion because of competition. Jordan in the 80's could not take out bird , or Magic, or Detroit (until they faltered). His teams would play Boston, and they would get smoked. Bird arguably outplaying him in their series H2H's. I don't care much about volume scoring as I do about actual impact, and affecting the outcome of games besides scoring.[/QUOTE]
all those big men (Shaq, Kareem) needed dominant wing players to win their rings.
but jordan didn't need a dominant big man to win HIS rings - he only needed a 20 PPG wing player that was inferior to the wings those big men needed (Oscar, Kobe, Wade, or Magic).
people talk about how the bulls could have won championships with any decent 2-guard in Jordan's place, but in reality, the NON-troll question is how good does scottie's replacement need to be for jordan to still win?
we know that in 1998, that replacement could have averaged 15 PPG on 41% and jordan would still have won.
NORMALLY, for every wing player in history, a dominant big man is preferable... EXCEPT for Jordan... he was that good, and just a cut above every single wing player in history - (lebron needed wade who is > Pippen, AND Bosh).
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The Captain and it isn't even close.
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Not to deviate from my OP, but I always found this quote from Kareem interesting:
[quote][B]MJ was awesome—but I think Oscar Robertson would have kicked him in the behind. Absolutely. Oscar was awesome. He had brains. [...] He had all the skills.[/B]
He could rebound and box out guys four and six inches taller than him. He was ruggedly built. He had fluid, quickness and just understood the game. No flair, he just got the job done every night. Who’s going to average double figures in points, assists and rebounds?[/quote]
Kareem may be biased, but Big O is one of the few perimeter players along with Jordan who impacted the game akin to a bigman. At 6'5, he could do pretty much everything and he deserves credit for how revolutionary he was for that period.
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[QUOTE=3ball]all those big men (Shaq, Kareem) needed dominant wing players to win their rings.
but jordan didn't need a dominant big man to win HIS rings - he only needed a 20 PPG wing player that was inferior to the wings those big men needed (Oscar, Kobe, Wade, or Magic).
people talk about how the bulls could have won championships with any decent 2-guard in Jordan's place, but in reality, the NON-troll question is how good does scottie's replacement need to be for jordan to still win?
we know that in 1998, that replacement could have averaged 15 PPG on 41% and jordan would still have won.
NORMALLY, for every wing player in history, it is preferable to have an all-time dominant big man instead... EXCEPT for Jordan... he was that good, and just a cut above every single wing player in history.[/QUOTE]
Jordan needed the greatest rebounders, defense-men and coach of all time, so I don't think your point is valid. No offense.
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[QUOTE=insidious301]Jordan needed the greatest rebounders, defense-men and coach of all time, so I don't think your point is valid. No offense.[/QUOTE]
[B]so you'd rather have pippen over Shaq and Kareem's sidekicks of oscar, magic, wade, or kobe?... that's ludicrous.
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also, grant was nowhere near the greatest rebounder, so i don't know what you're talking about - just some fantasy that you want to believe.
and rodman averaged 3 ppg, so the Bulls played 4 on 5 offensively at all times. but Jordan was so good offensively, those Bulls teams were STILL the greatest offensive teams in history (highest team offensive rating ever... while playing 4 on 5 offensively).
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[QUOTE=insidious301]Jordan needed the greatest rebounders, defense-men and coach of all time, so I don't think your point is valid. No offense.[/QUOTE]
exactly.
russell won more than anybody ever will again - that's just a fact. wilt literally changed the rules of the game because he dominated like nobody ever will again - that's just a fact. bird ousted jordan in h2h battles before pippen and phil took over and turned the franchise around. again, fact.
bottom line.. jordan is probably the best of his era, that's all, that's it. idk why he's this mystical god people created as infallible? :oldlol:
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[QUOTE=mehyaM24]
that's just a fact. bird ousted jordan in h2h battles before pippen
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[SIZE="3"]so you'd rather have pippen over Shaq and Kareem's sidekicks of oscar, magic, wade, or kobe?... that's ludicrous.
the fact that no one in their right mind would take MJ's sidekick (Pippen) over Shaq and Kareem's sidekicks (Oscar, Magic, Wade and Kobe) PROVES that Jordan was superior.[/SIZE]
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[QUOTE=3ball]so you'd rather have pippen over Shaq and Kareem's sidekicks of oscar, magic, wade, or kobe?... that's ludicrous.[/quote]
Hmmm, where did I imply that?
[quote]also, grant was nowhere near the greatest rebounder, so i don't know what you're talking about - just some fantasy that you want to believe.[/quote]
I think we all know I'm referring to Dennis Rodman and Scottie Pippen. That goes without saying (with no straw-man intended).
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[QUOTE=insidious301]
Hmmm, where did I imply that?
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okay, clarify it for me then - who would you rather have as your teammate?
Scottie Pippen or Magic Johnson?... Scottie Pippen or 2006 Wade... Pippen or prime Kobe?
see?
this argument is over. Jordan's better than Kareem - Kareem got to play with Magic, whereas Jordan only played with Pippen, yet Jordan still did far better.
If Jordan and Magic were together, Bill Russel's record of 8 rings in a row would have been in jeopardy... oh wait... it already was in jeopardy, but Jordan's dad got murdered, so the record remained safe.
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[QUOTE=3ball][SIZE="3"]so you'd rather have pippen over Shaq and Kareem's sidekicks of oscar, magic, wade, or kobe?... that's ludicrous.
the fact that no one in their right mind would take MJ's sidekick (Pippen) over Shaq and Kareem's sidekicks (Oscar, Magic, Wade and Kobe) PROVES that Jordan was superior.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
i would rather have pippen than wade and kobe for certain years. for sure.
sidekicks dont take away from team strength and indivdual greatness - so this is irrelevant. wilt and kareem are arguably the most dominant players in history. lebron and magic are right there as well.
watching lebron climb up the PUBLIC all-time rankings is gonna be fun to watch :applause:
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in b4 Laz copies and pastes, rapes this thread ..to answer the question ..
I'll take the Big Dipper.
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[QUOTE=mehyaM24]
i would rather have pippen than wade and kobe for certain years. for sure.
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we're not talking about certain years - we're talking about Kareem and Shaq's sidekicks so that would be 2006 Wade - the very best Wade ever - and prime Kobe and prime Magic Johnson.
2006 Wade destroys Pippen... and obviously, Magic and prime Kobe destroy Pippen too.
If Jordan got to play with either Magic Johnson, 2006 Wade, or prime Kobe, Russell's record of 8 rings would be in jeopardy...
oh wait, it was ALREADY in jeopardy, but Jordan's dad got murdered, so the record remained safe...
make no mistake troll.. jordan's the GOAT, and probably will be for the entire time of your young life that you actually give a shit about basketball.
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[QUOTE=3ball]we're not talking about certain years - we're talking about Kareem and Shaq's sidekicks so that would be 2006 Wade - the very best Wade ever - and prime Kobe and prime Magic Johnson.[/quote]
kobe was also shaq's sidekick, so yes, actually, we are IN FACT talking about certain years. regardless of that fact, however, sidekicks don't make up for team strength and individual greatness. for example, in 1991, magic's regression adjusted RAPM was greater than jordan's (his peak). i don't think its a stretch to assume magic & larry were even more impactful and statsitically more dominant in years prior.
of course, this just proves my underlining point. individual greatness isn't interrupted by sidekick play. if you aren't watching the games, you gotta go by the hard-coded data that measures INDIVIDUAL impact.
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[QUOTE=insidious301]Jordan in the 80's could not take out Bird, or Magic, or Detroit (until they faltered). His teams would play Boston, and they would get smoked every year, with Bird arguably outplaying him in their series H2H's. [/QUOTE]
Yeah but the Bulls weren't championship material in the 80s. Jordan got drafted to a crappy team and had to wait for the right pieces to be added and develop.
To be fair, you'd need to time travel the 90s Bulls to the 80s and see how they would fare. Bird and Magic had great teammates. Those Pistons teams were deep and talented. No way one player is going to beat great teams without good teammates around him.
Wilt couldn't do it, Oscar couldn't do it, neither could Jordan, Kobe, Shaq or Lebron. You gotta have a good team around you to win. I don't think we can hold that against Jordan since it applies to everyone. Maybe Hakeem and Rick Barry were the only ones to lead less than stellar teammates to championships, but they're not in the GOAT conversation.
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[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Kareem has the better case because of the hardware, although to be fair, if the FMVP were around at the time of his peak, I'm sure he would do his best to grab as many possible. Even if that meant stat-padding. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
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The FMVP was around during his peak and hell no he wouldn't (didn't) have done that.
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Edited my post lol
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]:biggums:
The FMVP was around during his peak and hell no he wouldn't (didn't) have done that.[/QUOTE]
Kareem has the better case because of the hardware, although to be fair, if the FMVP were around the time of Wilt's peak, I'm sure he would have done his best to grab as many possible. Even if that meant stat-padding. :oldlol:
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[QUOTE=insidious301]I think GOAT encompasses everything. Careers, accolades, honors and dominance.[/QUOTE]
... Skills, On Court Impact and Strength of Era.
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I think it's Kareem! When u line up everything Kareem has done in his career, I think it gives him the edge on Wilt. Peak wise, Wilt is the best center of all time. GOAT wise, I gotta go with Cap!
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[QUOTE=Hands of Iron]... Skills, On Court Impact and Strength of Era.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely. Every intangible that is possible, some not measurable, needs to be included for a consensus GOAT.
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[QUOTE=bizil]I think it's Kareem! When u line up everything Kareem has done in his career, I think it gives him the edge on Wilt. Peak wise, Wilt is the best center of all time. GOAT wise, I gotta go with Cap![/QUOTE]
Well said. For me, Kareem dominated the most competitive era in terms of parody (1970s). Great players were spread out between the NBA and ABA, but the 70s possessed some of the greatest teams in istory -- and Kareem was absolutely the most dominant player that era. In fact, the only players that were more dominant in their prime than Kareem was Wilt Chamberlain. If you were to add up his career in the 1970s, he averaged 32.0 ppg 16.4 rpg 3.5 bpg - insane numbers.
I don't agree with any player being "hands down" better than anyone. I'm actually a fan of the Doctor AND MJ, but I have to be objective. Oscar Robertson and Jerry West were both perimeter players who dominated the game statistically as Jordan did, especially Oscar Robertson, possibly the most complete player of all time.
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[QUOTE=insidious301]Well said. For me, Kareem dominated the most competitive era in terms of parody (1970s). Great players were spread out between the NBA and ABA, but the 70s possessed some of the greatest teams in istory -- and Kareem was absolutely the most dominant player that era. In fact, the only players that were more dominant in their prime than Kareem was Wilt Chamberlain. If you were to add up his career in the 1970s, he averaged 32.0 ppg 16.4 rpg 3.5 bpg - insane numbers.
I don't agree with any player being "hands down" better than anyone. I'm actually a fan of the Doctor AND MJ, but I have to be objective. Oscar Robertson and Jerry West were both perimeter players who dominated the game statistically as Jordan did, especially Oscar Robertson, possibly the most complete player of all time.[/QUOTE]
That's fair. What is the difference you see in Oscar and LeBron, if any?
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[QUOTE=Insidious301]
Oscar Robertson and Jerry West were both perimeter players who dominated the game statistically as Jordan did
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so we're just looking at stats how?
oscar's best year statistically on a per 36 minutes basis is 24.9 PPG, 9.9 RPG, and 6.6 APG.
like, every season of jordan's career destroys this... destroys jerry west's best as well.
you guys are so biased.
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If someone doesn't put a lot of stock on ring count and total accolades, I don't see many reasons of why Kareem would rank ahead of Wilt. Kareem had the better single shot and was a better FT shooter, Wilt was a better rebounder, shot blocker, equally great passer and defender (some will argue he was better), had incredible stamina and drew fouls much easier.
Kareem is considered by most to be the better playoff performer, and yet, he didn't perform any better against Wilt's era's best defenders than Wilt did. He didn't perform better vs old Wilt than Wilt did vs Russell. He had some very impressive playoff runs later on, but not any better than Wilt's and his team results weren't any better than Wilt's until he got a stacked team. Older Kareem was a more stable scorer than older Wilt, but worse at about everything else.
Do people think that Wilt starting his career in the early 70's, without Russell's Celtics around, having veteran Oscar next to him and later on, at 32, he plays for the Lakers, with Magic, Worthy, Wilkes, Cooper, McAdoo, isn't going to win way more than he did in his era?
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[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]That's fair. What is the difference you see in Oscar and LeBron, if any?[/QUOTE]
In my opinion, LeBron's game-play is more similar to Elgin Baylor than Oscar. Elgin was very strong, a highflyer, very fast, great scorer, rebounder, passer and defender -- attributes similar to LeBron. Meanwhile, Oscar was an even better playmaker, but his assists were arguably more impressive. If you remember (or researched), counting assists back then were more strict than today, so in this area Oscar is similar to Magic but also was better scorer than him -- both very versatile.
I think the biggest difference is in athleticism. LeBron's athleticism allows him to do things on the court we've never seen before.
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Wilt is the most dominating presence in the history of the sport. On remarkable untouchable levels. The next best isn't even close in many of the things Wilt accomplished. Period. If that's what makes a player the "GOAT" in someone's subjective opinion, than Wilt is at the top and the next best isn't even close. Not Shaq, not Kareem, nobody. Nobody dominated the game like Wilt Chamberlain.
Greatest winner in the history of the sport is Bill Russell. If that's what makes a player "GOAT" than Russell is your man no way around it.
Anyone else the way I see it is a GOAT only on a personal level for pretty much arbitrary reasonings "Well I think it's MJ/Kareem/Magic/Lebron cause he won his or played the game in a this or that fashion". All totally arbitrary stuff that serves to dance around the elephant in the room... the obvious dominance of Wilt and the obvious winning of Russell.
Now, I will say a couple of guys have really really ****ing good resume's and eye popping game. Namely MJ and Kareem.
But dominance? No one is even remotely close to Wilt Chamberlain. And winning? No one is even remotely close to Bill Russell. Whatever your flavor of the day is, winning team battles or winning individual battles it's one of those two guys. They're my top 2.
MJ and Kareem HM cause they have a decent enough blend of individual and team success so as to sort of fit in between the Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain ends of the spectrum.
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[QUOTE=3ball]so we're just looking at stats how?
oscar's best year statistically on a per 36 minutes basis is 24.9 PPG, 9.9 RPG, and 6.6 APG.
like, every season of jordan's career destroys this... destroys jerry west's best as well.
you guys are so biased.[/QUOTE]
Can't penalize guys who were able to stay on the floor longer IMO.
That's a plus on them if anything. Superior stamina is superior stamina. Guys like Jackson and Pop are just like the old school coaches, they let their players play as many minutes as the players are capable of playing. Pop just said not more than 2 weeks ago that Kawhi has NO limits on his minutes on the floor and that his minutes would be entirely dependent on how long he could play.
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[QUOTE=insidious301]In my opinion, LeBron's game-play is more similar to Elgin Baylor than Oscar. Elgin was very strong, a highflyer, very fast, great scorer, rebounder, passer and defender -- attributes similar to LeBron. Meanwhile, Oscar was an even better playmaker, but his assists were arguably more impressive. If you remember (or researched), counting assists back then were more strict than today, so in this area Oscar is similar to Magic but also was better scorer than him -- both very versatile.
I think the biggest difference is in athleticism. LeBron's athleticism allows him to do things on the court we've never seen before.[/QUOTE]
Thanks :cheers:
Bron might be the most athletically gifted basketball player ever. Not gonna speak in absolutes, but I'm not sure a player has EVER had that combo of size and speed.
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[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Can't penalize guys who were able to stay on the floor longer IMO.
That's a plus on them if anything. Superior stamina is superior stamina. Guys like Jackson and Pop are just like the old school coaches, they let their players play as many minutes as the players are capable of playing. Pop just said not more than 2 weeks ago that Kawhi has NO limits on his minutes on the floor and that his minutes would be entirely dependent on how long he could play.[/QUOTE]
fine, but just look at their careers - oscar had a couple years that can match MJ's, but that's it.
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[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Thanks :cheers:
Bron might be the most athletically gifted basketball player ever. Not gonna speak in absolutes, but I'm not sure a player has EVER had that combo of size and speed.[/QUOTE]
Wilt Chamberlain was bigger. And just as fast.
Wilt at KU, ~240lbs
4.4 hand timed 40.
Lebron in HS, ~240lbs
4.4 hand timed 40.
Wilt at age 28, ~290lbs
4.6 hand timed 40 (by Hank Stram of KS Chiefs) and he ran it without wearing shoes
Lebron at age 28, ~263lbs (cited that same offseason)
4.6 hand timed 40
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[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Wilt Chamberlain was bigger. And just as fast.
Wilt at KU, ~240lbs
4.4 hand timed 40.
Lebron in HS, ~240lbs
4.4 hand timed 40.
Wilt at age 28, ~290lbs
4.6 hand timed 40 (by Hank Stram of KS Chiefs) and he ran it without wearing shoes
Lebron at age 28, ~263lbs (cited that same offseason)
4.6 hand timed 40[/QUOTE]
Nice info. I actually think LeBron could play in most sports relevant in the States, though. Not sure if Wilt had THAT type of athleticism or dexterity and balance. For example, I couldn't see dude playing football and actually being elite at it (wasn't LeBron a high school football star?)
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[QUOTE=kuniva_dAMiGhTy]Nice info. I actually think LeBron could play in most sports relevant in the States, though. Not sure if Wilt had THAT type of athleticism (for example, I couldn't see dude playing football) or dexterity and balance.[/QUOTE]
Well, actually Kansas City Chiefs HOF coach Hank Stram was convinced Wilt could be a GOAT tier football player. He was scouting Wilt and was totally amazed at Wilt's abilities. That's how I got his 4.6 40 time:
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