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Should Heat keep Mike Miller? Will he ever be pretty good again?
A report says the Heat may plan to say goodbye to Mike Miller, who was good years ago but can't really be counted on anymore.
Skim-read this: [url]http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=8631[/url]
What do you think of his role on the Heat, and his game in general these days?
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Re: Should Heat keep Mike Miller? Will he ever be pretty good again?
No need to make a decision right now. Give him one more season and if he still gets hurt/can't play then they can use the amnesty on him in the summer.
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They need to sign him to a long term deal.
[Heat]Just wait til Miller and Haslem get back, its title time![/morons]
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I know he injured his thumb/s, but when he came back he was just shit.
The heat really need some size and better defenders imo.
Hopefully he's fully recovered and ready to go this season.
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The Heat management should keep Miller. He was injured throughout the season. It's sad that we never saw how we would fit in the offense. He can score, defend, and rebound. They would have a hard time finding someone who can replace Miller.
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Re: Should Heat keep Mike Miller? Will he ever be pretty good again?
[QUOTE=insidehoops]A report says the Heat may plan to say goodbye to Mike Miller, who was good years ago but can't really be counted on anymore.
Skim-read this: [url]http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=8631[/url]
What do you think of his role on the Heat, and his game in general these days?[/QUOTE]
I'm rather amazed at this. At the end when he was 70% he was a major factor. If his thumb and shoulder are healed he will be a major part of this years run. Of course, if he isn't the team has a lot invested in him and need some production out of one of their few non min guys.
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Re: Should Heat keep Mike Miller? Will he ever be pretty good again?
give him one more year.
that white boy got range and can rebound and pass pretty well.
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[QUOTE=HurricaneKid]I'm rather amazed at this. At the end when he was 70% he was a major factor. If his thumb and shoulder are healed he will be a major part of this years run. Of course, if he isn't the team has a lot invested in him and need some production out of one of their few non min guys.[/QUOTE]
I am surprised by this as well. But I guess a lot of his skills are redundant on that team. Personally, I would love a player like Mike Miller on my squad. He can come on the Lakeshow and start at sf.
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Re: Should Heat keep Mike Miller? Will he ever be pretty good again?
He is a very good all-around player, but Lebron and Wade turned him into a spot up shooter. He will continue to under perform as long as those two ball hogs are running Miami's offense. Bosh is another victim.
Name me one player that elevated his game playing alongside either one of those players?
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Re: Should Heat keep Mike Miller? Will he ever be pretty good again?
They wont, least not yet
Think we will see how good he can be in Miami when heathly
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[QUOTE=pegasus]Name me one player that elevated his game playing alongside either one of those players?[/QUOTE]
This might win the "stupidest things ever said on ISH" threads. Varajao and Mo Williams parlayed their time with LeBron into 60M deals and all-star appearances.
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Re: Should Heat keep Mike Miller? Will he ever be pretty good again?
[QUOTE=insidehoops]A report says the Heat may plan to say goodbye to Mike Miller, who was good years ago but can't really be counted on anymore.
Skim-read this: [url]http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=8631[/url]
What do you think of his role on the Heat, and his game in general these days?[/QUOTE]
love it, players that taken paycuts to play with the Prima donnas being ditched. :applause:
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Re: Should Heat keep Mike Miller? Will he ever be pretty good again?
Heat should keep him. He was rebounding like a beast in the playoffs, and if he could have hit more open shots -- which he's certainly capable of -- the championship might have turned out differently.
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[QUOTE=HurricaneKid]This might win the "stupidest things ever said on ISH" threads. Varajao and Mo Williams parlayed their time with LeBron into 60M deals and all-star appearances.[/QUOTE]
Varejao got that contract because of his energy and hustle play, especially on the defensive end and on the boards, not because Lebron turned him into a 18/10 player or something.:lol In fact, all of his numbers went up after Lebron left. He had less than 1 more shot per game, and averaged 0.5 more points, but also 2 more rebounds per game. That's what happens when you don't have a stat-padder on your team snatching rebounds out of your hands. And he would had better numbers had he not gotten injured.
Mo had already averaged 17.3 and 17.2 in his last two years in Milwaukee. He averaged 17.8 (wow, what an increase!!) in his first year in Cleveland, then went down to 15.8 in his second year. Yeah, Lebron really helped him become a better player.:facepalm
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Re: Should Heat keep Mike Miller? Will he ever be pretty good again?
[QUOTE=RRR3]You're stupidity amazes me more every day. Mike Miller IS a spot-up shooter, he wasn't "turned into one". :facepalm Mo Williams was shit before LBJ, and is shit w/o him. There's one player.[/QUOTE]
You are a horrible poster.
[B]Mo had already averaged 17.3 and 17.2 in his last two years in Milwaukee. He averaged 17.8 (wow, what an increase!!) in his first year in Cleveland, then went down to 15.8 in his second year. Yeah, Lebron really helped him become a better player.[/B]
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Re: Should Heat keep Mike Miller? Will he ever be pretty good again?
[QUOTE=RRR3]You're stupidity amazes me more every day. Mike Miller IS a spot-up shooter, he wasn't "turned into one". :facepalm Mo Williams was shit before LBJ, and is shit w/o him. There's one player.[/QUOTE]
Miller is an all-around player. He can dish, handle the ball, shoot lights out, rebound, etc. Whatever is needed. Thus said, of course his role is reduced to spot-up shooter when playing alongside three first-option players.
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Re: Should Heat keep Mike Miller? Will he ever be pretty good again?
[QUOTE=RRR3]Yep, scoring is the only part of being a good player. Typical Kobe stan response. LOL @ You calling LeBron a "statpadder" when you're a Kobe stan. Oh, the irony. :roll:[/QUOTE]
He averaged 17.3/6.1/4.8/1.3 (steals) and 17.2/6.3/3.5/1.2 in his last two years before he joined Cleveland. He was a young, up and coming player, whose development was cut short thanks to Lebron's ball hogging.
I'm not surprised he looked pretty good playing next to Griffin and Gordon in the second half of the last season.
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Re: Should Heat keep Mike Miller? Will he ever be pretty good again?
[url]http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/10158/why-heat-are-likely-to-part-with-mike-miller[/url]
Looks like Miami actually will have to cut Miller. With the new rules, Miller's overpaid for what he brings to the table.
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Re: Should Heat keep Mike Miller? Will he ever be pretty good again?
[QUOTE=Kurosawa0][url]http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/10158/why-heat-are-likely-to-part-with-mike-miller[/url]
Looks like Miami actually will have to cut Miller. With the new rules, Miller's overpaid for what he brings to the table.[/QUOTE]
Again, it's not his fault. He was injured and then reduced to a spot-up shooter. He still managed to help them out a lot with his rebounding deep in the playoffs (his shooting got better, too).
He will be a huge gain to whichever team he ends up with.
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[QUOTE=pegasus]Varejao got that contract because of his energy and hustle play, especially on the defensive end and on the boards, not because Lebron turned him into a 18/10 player or something.:lol In fact, all of his numbers went up after Lebron left. He had less than 1 more shot per game, and averaged 0.5 more points, but also 2 more rebounds per game. That's what happens when you don't have a stat-padder on your team snatching rebounds out of your hands. And he would had better numbers had he not gotten injured.
Mo had already averaged 17.3 and 17.2 in his last two years in Milwaukee. He averaged 17.8 (wow, what an increase!!) in his first year in Cleveland, then went down to 15.8 in his second year. Yeah, Lebron really helped him become a better player.:facepalm[/QUOTE]
I see the problem. You are an idiot. You think scoring=quality of player.
I'm a Bucks fan. The Bucks basically traded him for Luke Ridnour to get rid of him. With LeBron he made the all-star team. He is a borderline NBA player and made the all-star team. And no one ever accused AV of being worth 10M/season after LBJ left.
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Re: Should Heat keep Mike Miller? Will he ever be pretty good again?
[QUOTE=pegasus]Again, it's not his fault. He was injured and then reduced to a spot-up shooter. He still managed to help them out a lot with his rebounding deep in the playoffs (his shooting got better, too).
He will be a huge gain to whichever team he ends up with.[/QUOTE]
No, I don't mean it's his fault. Just with how his contract ends up handcuffing Miami under the new rules Miller isn't worth it to them. By cutting Miller Miami could add several pieces. As nice as Miller might be, Grant Hill would probably be just as fine and cheaper.
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Hey Peggersaurus.
Lebron + Wade = Finalz.
Kobe = Sweep Sweep by Mavs.
[IMG]http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm217/Allume-Le-Cirque/Sig/Kobe-U-Mad.jpg[/IMG]
This year will probably produce similar results I hope you enjoy it.
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Re: Should Heat keep Mike Miller? Will he ever be pretty good again?
[QUOTE=HurricaneKid]I see the problem. You are an idiot. You think scoring=quality of player.
I'm a Bucks fan. The Bucks basically traded him for Luke Ridnour to get rid of him. With LeBron he made the all-star team. He is a borderline NBA player and made the all-star team. [B]And no one ever accused AV of being worth 10M/season after LBJ left[/B].[/QUOTE]
Quoting myself:
[B]He averaged 17.3/6.1/4.8/1.3 (steals) and 17.2/6.3/3.5/1.2 in his last two years before he joined Cleveland. He was a young, up and coming player, whose development was cut short thanks to Lebron's ball hogging.[/B]
So he does/did more than just scoring.
And about AB being accused of being worthy of 10M/season... What the hell is that?:lol Do you ever get accused of being an idiot?
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[QUOTE=32Dayz]Hey Peggersaurus.
Lebron + Wade = Finalz.
Kobe = Sweep Sweep by Mavs.
[IMG]http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm217/Allume-Le-Cirque/Sig/Kobe-U-Mad.jpg[/IMG]
This year will probably produce similar results I hope you enjoy it.[/QUOTE]
They are not going to make the finals this year. People don't realize that it was their best chance to win a chip after everything went down the way it did (Wade's practically breaking Rondo's arm, Rose's inexperience showing and not having a real SG, playing against one of the weakest final teams in recent history, etc.)
This season, Chicago, assuming they sign a good SG, will be right there to tackle the Heat. And New York, and Boston...
Lakers will be better. I'm not sure if it's going to be enough to win it all, but it's possible.
Done responding to a troll who HAD to create a new account after the Heat-less went down in flames.:lol
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[QUOTE=pegasus]They are not going to make the finals this year. People don't realize that it was their best chance to win a chip after everything went down the way it did (Wade's practically breaking Rondo's arm, Rose's inexperience showing and not having a real SG, playing against one of the weakest final teams in recent history, etc.)
This season, Chicago, assuming they sign a good SG, will be right there to tackle the Heat. And New York, and Boston...[/QUOTE]
Some wishful thinking there, man. Sorry...
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Re: Should Heat keep Mike Miller? Will he ever be pretty good again?
[QUOTE=The Iron Fist]They need to sign him to a long term deal.
[Heat]Just wait til Miller and Haslem get back, its title time![/morons][/QUOTE]Haha. :banana: :cheers:
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Re: Should Heat keep Mike Miller? Will he ever be pretty good again?
[QUOTE=Kurosawa0]Some wishful thinking there, man. Sorry...[/QUOTE]
I'm sure you were one of those idiots who were guaranteeing that Miami was going to win the chip last year once they've got Dallas in the finals.:lol
Every year, "It's definitely next year!" with Lebron, and I'm loving it!:roll:
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[QUOTE=RRR3]You're stupidity amazes me more every day. Mike Miller IS a spot-up shooter, he wasn't "turned into one". :facepalm Mo Williams was shit before LBJ, and is shit w/o him. There's one player.[/QUOTE]
no he wasn't he was a good versatile role player could pass create his own shot
mo wasn't better with lebron he just got more attention while playing for a contender
so just stfu you fvcking homer
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Re: Should Heat keep Mike Miller? Will he ever be pretty good again?
[QUOTE=blablabla]no he wasn't he was a good versatile role player could pass create his own shot
mo wasn't better with lebron he just got more attention while playing for a contender
so just stfu you fvcking homer[/QUOTE]
Not really.. I watched Miller in Memphis and although he was a good passer and had some "driving ability" he was pretty much a spot up shooter.
That is his game and although he may have some skills a pure SUS wouldn't they aren't really defined or polished enough to be useful in high pressure playoff games.
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Re: Should Heat keep Mike Miller? Will he ever be pretty good again?
[QUOTE=32Dayz]Not really.. I watched Miller in Memphis and although he was a good passer and had some "driving ability" he was pretty much a spot up shooter.
That is his game and although he may have some skills a pure SUS wouldn't they aren't really defined or polished enough to be useful in high pressure playoff games.[/QUOTE]
for me kyle korver is a spot up shooter or roger mason
miller was/is clearly on an other level offensively
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[QUOTE=RRR3]When LeBron finally wins a ring, Pegasus's reaction is going to be absolutely priceless. I predict he'll try to make excuses especially if LBJ wins this year..."b-b-b-b-b-b-but it was a shortened season!!!!! It doesn't count! HURR DURR LEBRICK STILL AIN'T GOT NONE OF DEM RANGZZZ!!""[/QUOTE]
Or that Wade is the leader. It's Wade's team. So, LeBron loses some points for that ring he will get. Wade will get all the credit.
LeBron can't win, even if he does win.
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[QUOTE=pegasus]I'm sure you were one of those idiots who were guaranteeing that Miami was going to win the chip last year once they've got Dallas in the finals.:lol
Every year, "It's definitely next year!" with Lebron, and I'm loving it!:roll:[/QUOTE]
I appreciate you confirming my point.
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[QUOTE=Kurosawa0]No, I don't mean it's his fault. Just with how his contract ends up handcuffing Miami under the new rules Miller isn't worth it to them. By cutting Miller Miami could add several pieces. As nice as Miller might be, Grant Hill would probably be just as fine and cheaper.[/QUOTE]
Someone explain the new rules to me. If he gets amnestied they don't get his money back under the cap because they are over the cap. I don't understand what benefit they would receive for cutting him loose except possible a TINY amount of luxury tax. Unless they are talking about trading him.
Given his injuries, his baby daughter's health scare (she is fine now thanks) I think it would be crazy to let him go now at the lowest value he has had in years.
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[QUOTE=RRR3]Heat win="He had Wade and Bosh. Wade is the leader. LBJ is the sidekick"
Heat lose="It's completely LeBron's fault. 100%"
LeBron scores 50 points="LOL ballhog"
LeBron has a triple double="Lol statpadder"
LeBron has 20 assists="LOL scared to shoot"
LeBron wins FMVP="LOL everyone gets lucky"
LeBron dominates in 4th quarter for first rounds, sucks in last round="LOL LeBron only has 3 quarters, don't ask him for change for a dollar! LOL ya see what I did there? Isn't that SOOOOOOOOOO Original? It's not like we haven't heard that joke a zillion times before, right?"[/QUOTE]
Pretty much.
Every team in the league would want this is guy on their team, regardless who the "leader" is. Whoever denies that or brings up exactly what you said is lying to themseleves.
The Heat come 2 wins aways from winning a title, yet he will never win? Right...
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[QUOTE=HurricaneKid]Someone explain the new rules to me. If he gets amnestied they don't get his money back under the cap because they are over the cap. I don't understand what benefit they would receive for cutting him loose except possible a TINY amount of luxury tax. Unless they are talking about trading him.
Given his injuries, his baby daughter's health scare (she is fine now thanks) I think it would be crazy to let him go now at the lowest value he has had in years.[/QUOTE]
Just read this:
[url]http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/10158/why-heat-are-likely-to-part-with-mike-miller[/url]
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[QUOTE=RRR3]Heat win="He had Wade and Bosh. Wade is the leader. LBJ is the sidekick"
Heat lose="It's completely LeBron's fault. 100%"
LeBron scores 50 points="LOL ballhog"
LeBron has a triple double="Lol statpadder"
LeBron has 20 assists="LOL scared to shoot"
LeBron wins FMVP="LOL everyone gets lucky"
LeBron dominates in 4th quarter for first rounds, sucks in last round="LOL LeBron only has 3 quarters, don't ask him for change for a dollar! LOL ya see what I did there? Isn't that SOOOOOOOOOO Original? It's not like we haven't heard that joke a zillion times before, right?"[/QUOTE]
Repped.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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[QUOTE=RRR3]Heat win="He had Wade and Bosh. Wade is the leader. LBJ is the sidekick"
Heat lose="It's completely LeBron's fault. 100%"
LeBron scores 50 points="LOL ballhog"
LeBron has a triple double="Lol statpadder"
LeBron has 20 assists="LOL scared to shoot"
LeBron wins FMVP="LOL everyone gets lucky"
LeBron dominates in 4th quarter for first rounds, sucks in last round="LOL LeBron only has 3 quarters, don't ask him for change for a dollar! LOL ya see what I did there? Isn't that SOOOOOOOOOO Original? It's not like we haven't heard that joke a zillion times before, right?"[/QUOTE]
I just realized that you created your account in July of 2011. Seems like all of those jokes you listed above DID bother you.:lol
If Lebron ever wins a ring, I swear I won't be a bitch like you, and will continue to post as pegasus.
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[QUOTE=RRR3]No you won't, because your whole persona on here is hating on LBJ. If he wins a ring, you'll just look like an even bigger dumbass.[/QUOTE]
[I]
"Not everybody gets corrupted. Have a little faith in people."[/I]
[I]
--Manhattan[/I]
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Re: Should Heat keep Mike Miller? Will he ever be pretty good again?
[QUOTE=Kurosawa0]Just read this:
[url]http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/10158/why-heat-are-likely-to-part-with-mike-miller[/url][/QUOTE]
I appreciate the link. I don't think he knows exactly what he is talking about though since he says the Bulls would go after Mike Miller and that they might get Nene. Yeah right. It sounds like the CBA changed A LOT. After reading the article, I think its a worse idea now. It would only open up ~2M in salary and allow Mia to offer Dalembert 5M rather than 3M. I say if Dalembert wants to play for Mia let him play for 3M. Paying Miller 29M to save 2M this year is crazy to me. Dalembert has 50 family members that live in the area. If he wants to come and win a title let him win it for 3M. Then they can sign anyone they want for the minimum so if GHill or TMac are game to play limited minutes great.
I actually REALLY like Norris Cole and think he might be their starting PG (over Chalmers) by midseason.
That would make the rotation:
Chalmers/Cole
Wade
LeBron
Bosh
Miller
Haslem
Dalembert
TMac/GHill
Anthony
That would be really nasty.
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Re: Should Heat keep Mike Miller? Will he ever be pretty good again?
[QUOTE=pegasus]This season, Chicago, assuming they sign a good SG, will be right there to tackle the Heat. And New York, and Boston...
Lakers will be better. I'm not sure if it's going to be enough to win it all, but it's possible.[/QUOTE]New York ain't gonna be a serious contender. Boston is a significant step below Chicago and the Heat.
Chicago still lacks offensive cohesion. Rose needs to become more proficient in the pic kand roll for Boozer to be effective, and Deng's 3-point shooting needs to improve to spread the floor for Rose. And we all know Noah needs to make big strides offensively, and that we need a new SG. Taj is a good boost off the bench, I'd like to grab another versatile floor-spreading forward like Dorell Wright. Or a 2-guard that shoots a very high % from the arc like Arron Aflalo. Or both (if Rheinsdorf wasn't so cheap & greedy). Rose worked superhard to improve his shot last off season, but running the pick and roll isn't as easy a skill to master.
So by default, despite Mike Miller likely having another bad year, barring injury, the Heat will advance and face either Dallas or a reworked Lakers team playing better Defense. But my money would be on a Dallas-Miami rematch. It'd be extremely intense and a great storyline.