Re: Marques Johnson "Point Forward"
I don't want to be rude, but you were pretty rude so here goes.
You need to do your homework, the term point forward was actually created by Johnson and coach Don Nelson when Johnson started handling the ball after injuries decimated the Bucks back court. You're so wrong it's unbelievable, he actually had patented the phrase at one point I believe.
Moncrief wan't even a starter until 1981
Quote from Marques Johnson
"It was the early 80s and we had all our point guards hurt with the Bucks. Nellie came up with a way to have me initiate the offense in all our sets. My response was, 'so instead of being the point guard, I'll be the point forward.' Nellie liked the label and has used it ever since."
Re: The GOAT List: 100 Greatest Players in Basketball History
[size="7"]ray Is A 55-70 [/size]
Re: The GOAT List: 100 Greatest Players in Basketball History
[QUOTE=phoenix18][size="7"]ray Is A 55-70 [/size][/QUOTE]
Make a case, I've spent years on this list, you spend seconds on that post.
I'll listen
Re: The GOAT List: 100 Greatest Players in Basketball History
[QUOTE=G.O.A.T]Make a case, I've spent years on this list, you spend seconds on that post.
I'll listen[/QUOTE]
Common sense really shouldnt take years to display. Go on with the list and I will judge it as a whole. That would be more fair to you, and I will learn something along the way.
Re: The GOAT List: 100 Greatest Players in Basketball History
[QUOTE=phoenix18]Common sense really shouldnt take years to display. Go on with the list and I will judge it as a whole. That would be more fair to you, and I will learn something along the way.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, I tried to be as objective as possible. Ray Allen has just two all-NBA selections to his name and his best is second team, there is only one SG on the rest of the list with two or fewer all-NBA selections. I think you might be over valuing Allen in the grand scheme of things.
What do you think are his intangibles that make him a better player then his stats and accolades suggest?
Re: The GOAT List: 100 Greatest Players in Basketball History
[QUOTE=G.O.A.T]Thanks, I tried to be as objective as possible. Ray Allen has just two all-NBA selections to his name and his best is second team, there is only one SG on the rest of the list with two or fewer all-NBA selections. I think you might be over valuing Allen in the grand scheme of things.
What do you think are his intangibles that make him a better player then his stats and accolades suggest?[/QUOTE]
Clutchness. The man is great when it comes down to the wire.
Re: The GOAT List: 100 Greatest Players in Basketball History
No doubt about that, and he has the most beautiful jump shot of his era probably. I did say in my blurb anout him that as time goes on I think I'll appreciate him more. I thought he was washed up 1/2 way through last years (2008) playoffs and since then he's been a stud. Even his defense has been elevated. I like Ray Allen a lot even though Big Dog was my favorite on those Bucks teams of 97-02.
Re: The GOAT List: 100 Greatest Players in Basketball History
[QUOTE=GP_20]Kevin Johnson is ALOT higher than #99. He is Top 50.[/QUOTE]
You know how I feel about KJ. He's not 50, but he damn sure ain't as low as number 99.
Re: The GOAT List: 100 Greatest Players in Basketball History
I think he is #99, after a lot of time looking at it. I would like to hear your case as to why he should be higher.
Re: The GOAT List: 100 Greatest Players in Basketball History
[QUOTE=G.O.A.T]I think he is after a lot of time looking at it. I would like to hear your case as to why he should be higher.[/QUOTE]
Could score, pass, defend. Many All-Star and All-NBA selections. 20/10 PG numbers for some some seasons. Playoff appearances.
Ray Allen is also higher. He's better than his two All-NBA appearances. Look at the era he played in, Kobe, Mac, AI, Nash, Kidd, Payton, VC, Wade, (all should be on this list by the way.)
Re: The GOAT List: 100 Greatest Players in Basketball History
All but one is
I think all the PG's I have ahead of him are deserving of being mentioned in the same breath or even more highly regarded then KJ. I am a Suns fan of the 1990-1996 era though so I could be being too bias against him while trying to be objective.