Depends. Let's see how he finishes up these last years. Hard to move him up the list if injuries are going to continue to plague him.
Printable View
Depends. Let's see how he finishes up these last years. Hard to move him up the list if injuries are going to continue to plague him.
[QUOTE=Derka]Depends. Let's see how he finishes up these last years. Hard to move him up the list if injuries are going to continue to plague him.[/QUOTE]
Whereever one ranks Kobe that position shouldn't really change from now until his retirement.
[QUOTE=tpols]Kobe's teams have gone just as far competing for a championship year in and year out outside a couple years.. where he had very poor help in a statistically superior conference.
Kareem with poor/mediocre rosters could only drag to 40 something wins in the 70s.. even missed the playoffs.
Hakeem got bounced in the first round countless times when he had poor help.
MJ before he had help and scottie matured was not competing for championships.. he was getting swept out of the playoffs in the first round.
ect. etc.
So.. this is just wrong.
How a guy that has played in as many playoff rounds as anyone and gone full four rounds 7 times.. hasn't been consistently competing for championships lol.. makes no sense.[/QUOTE]
What about lebron leading scrub teams to the finals or at least past round 1?
Larry hughes was his 2nd option in 07(lebrons 4th year) and he took that team to the finals; depth was utter shit too. But lebron is the best of any star with the least talent
5-7 is where the majority will have him. And it suits his dominance, individual peak and success.
[QUOTE=Derka]Depends. Let's see how he finishes up these last years. Hard to move him up the list if injuries are going to continue to plague him.[/QUOTE]
did you move Magic down your list for getting HIV
[QUOTE=Droid101]A really mature person might use the eye test and say number 3.[/QUOTE]
Nah, there's just no case of him being in the top 3. Top 10 easily. The highest I can see myself putting him is #8.
[QUOTE=nightprowler10]Nah, there's just no case of him being in the top 3. Top 10 easily. The highest I can see myself putting him is #8.[/QUOTE]
He has a case over anybody not named mj russell or kareem.
Everybody else he has a case for. And I'm not saying that he's better than those players for sure, but he definitely has a case for top 4
1 MVP, 2 FMVP, most missed shots in NBA History, and only 18th in Career PER?
Top 15
4-5 at worst
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]did you move Magic down your list for getting HIV[/QUOTE]
:roll:
[QUOTE=SexSymbol]He has a case over anybody not named mj russell or kareem.
Everybody else he has a case for. And I'm not saying that he's better than those players for sure, but he definitely has a case for top 4[/QUOTE]
I don't think we're completely disagreeing here. In my top 10, he has a case over Timmy, Magic, Bird, but no case over the names you mentioned plus Wilt. And while you could make a case for him over some of these guys, I don't think I'll ever be thoroughly convinced enough to put him higher than #8.
That's of course assuming you give a shit about my top 10.
KAJ missed the playoffs 2 years in a row during his prime, only won with Oscar and Magic who when KAJ retired the top 5 GOAT list looked something like Russell, Wilt, Oscar, Magic with KAJ somewhere in between
but lets penalize Kobe for having Pau and the Kardashian
[QUOTE=TheMarkMadsen]KAJ missed the playoffs 2 years in a row during his prime, only won with Oscar and Magic who when KAJ retired the top 5 GOAT list looked something like Russell, Wilt, Oscar, Magic with KAJ somewhere in between
but lets penalize Kobe for having Pau and the Kardashian[/QUOTE]
I'm not doing that. I just legitimately never rated him in that tier.
[QUOTE=nightprowler10]I don't think we're completely disagreeing here. In my top 10, he has a case over Timmy, Magic, Bird, but no case over the names you mentioned plus Wilt. And while you could make a case for him over some of these guys, I don't think I'll ever be thoroughly convinced enough to put him higher than #8.
That's of course assuming you give a shit about my top 10.[/QUOTE]
I'm interested in anybody's top 10, it's always a unique perspective on seeing the same thing in many different ways.
The way I see it is:
Kobe has a case over Wilt, because Wilt was usually dissapointing in post season and has a 2/6 finals record which is terrible for a top 10 atg. Yes, he has many records, many statistical feats, but I value winning more, it's what you play the game for anyway.
He has a case over Magic because of his individual superiority, defense, longevity and magic himself saying Kobe was the best laker ever.
A case over bird because of defense, rings, longevity.
I think we'll agree that he has a good case over anybody else.
So basically, a 4-8 ranking is logical. I have him at 5th, but I'm a fan of the guy, I'm somewhat biased, so obviously it might look strange to some. But I think when it's all said and done most people will narrow it down to 5-7 range for him, at least early after his retirement.