The Top 100 Greatest NBA Players Of All Time According To ISH

[QUOTE=T_L_P]I don't get the logic behind Russell and Wilt ahead of the four behind them.

Either your list is based on accomplishments in which case they are all ahead of Wilt (besides Hakeem), or it's based on a realistic idea of how good they are as individual players in which case Russell shouldn't be sniffing the top five (as much as I love him).

And at this point, Bird > Duncan is off. Duncan has 15 more All-NBA/All-D teams than Bird (it's really 17 bad as the All-NBA 3rd Team wasn't around in Bird's day I won't count it), and his prime #s are on par with Larry's (despite playing in a slower era and having to anchor a defense at the same time).

Bird's 11 Playoff runs: 24/6/10.5 on .551 TS%

Duncan's first 11: 24/12.5/3 on .560 TS%

Personally Shaq/Duncan/Hakeem are #5-7.[/QUOTE]
I agree on Shaq/Duncan but I think Hakeem is a tier below the both of em

[QUOTE=T_L_P]I don't get the logic behind Russell and Wilt ahead of the four behind them.

Either your list is based on accomplishments in which case they are all ahead of Wilt (besides Hakeem), or it's based on a realistic idea of how good they are as individual players in which case Russell shouldn't be sniffing the top five (as much as I love him).

And at this point, Bird > Duncan is off. Duncan has 15 more All-NBA/All-D teams than Bird (it's really 17 bad as the All-NBA 3rd Team wasn't around in Bird's day I won't count it), and his prime #s are on par with Larry's (despite playing in a slower era and having to anchor a defense at the same time).

Bird's 11 Playoff runs: 24/6/10.5 on .551 TS%

Duncan's first 11: 24/12.5/3 on .560 TS%

Personally Shaq/Duncan/Hakeem are #5-7.[/QUOTE]

what if he just thinks thats how good the players are? Why does it always have to be so black n white

[QUOTE=Prime_Shaq]I agree on Shaq/Duncan but I think Hakeem is a tier below the both of em[/QUOTE]

Hakeem a tier below Duncan lmao

Here's my top 35 ( i'm gonna extend this until about 333 ) ;

Russell #1
Kareem #2
Jordan #3
Wilt #4
Duncan #5
Hakeem #6
Shaq #7
Kobe/Magic/Bird/Lebron #8
Mikan #12
West #13
Oscar #14
Erving #15
Moses #16
Elgin #17
Hondo #18
Dirk #19
Wade #20
Garnett #21
Barkley #22
Pettit #23
Karl M. #24
Admiral #25
R.Barry #26
Ewing #27
Isiah #28
Drexler #29
Frazier #30
Pippen #31
Stockton #32
Pierce #33
Iverson #34
Artis #35

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]what if he just thinks thats how good the players are? Why does it always have to be so black n white[/QUOTE]

But what's the justification for saying Bird was 'better' than Duncan through their careers? Bird's prime was marginally better if you use a little context, but Duncan played an extra eight years. Using the most common criteria for judging how good someone is (a combination of stats and accolades), Duncan comes out on top..

And Russell? The dude put up 16 PPG on 43% shooting in what was undeniably a weaker era than in the past few decades. It's not even like Wilt who had dominant #s across all eras. His stats aren't better than Duncan's, Hakeem's or Magic's despite playing in a time where teams had 33% more possessions. :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]I pretty much just give Russell respect for pioneering/developing the game and particularly how defense is played. I think if i'm starting a team today I'd probably take a number of players over him (although i think he'd stll be a great player today)

Wilt is someone who'd probably translate to the better more dominant player today.

If I had to reorder by ability/ who id take in today's league:

MJ
LeBron
Kareem
Shaq
Wilt
Bird
Magic
Hakeem
Duncan
Russell

What's your complete list?[/QUOTE]

Jordan
Kareem
LeBron
Magic
Shaq
Hakeem
Duncan
Bird
Wilt
Garnett

I usually wouldn't rank pre-Kareem players because the game was too different and there's not enough footage, but I tend to agree that Wilt's play could translate to today's game. He had the size and athleticism and his numbers were just so far out there that you have to at least think he could be an MVP-type player in today's league.

Russell..not so much.

Edit: After those ten I go Kobe, Moses and Robinson.

[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]Hakeem a tier below Duncan lmao[/QUOTE]
Tier 1: MJ
Tier 2: Kareem, Russell
Tier 3: Magic, Bird, LeBron, Shaq, Duncan
Tier 4: Wilt, Kobe, Hakeem

Jordan
Jabbar
LeBron
Magic/Shaq/Duncan
Wilt/Bird/Russell/Kobe

Jordan;
Kareem;
Lebron;
Duncan/Shaq;
Shaq/Duncan (very close between LBJ, Duncan, and Shaq IMO)
Magic;
Bird;
Kobe;
Hakeem;
Russell;
Wilt

(Russell and Wilt get penalized for the competition and size of the league, perhaps unfair, but I think the competition post merger is significantly better, and I am not sure they would have the stats and accolades that they did)

1. MJ
2. Lebron
3. Kareem

What a time. Back in 2007 Kobe was barel at #24 and Lebron aint even in top 100. I wonder when Lebron's name first appeared in top 100 all time list, I thought it was in 2009?

[QUOTE=Kiddlovesnets]What a time. Back in 2007 Kobe was barel at #24 and Lebron aint even in top 100. I wonder when Lebron's name first appeared in top 100 all time list, I thought it was in 2009?[/QUOTE]

Yep , first all time great season by Lebron . After his 2009 and 2010 years , people start to comparing him to the legends .